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    Address members by their names as they appear

    We would like everyone to note that henceforth we want you to address members exactly as their name appears in their posts. Do not shorten names in any manner whatsoever. It is extremely disrespectful to fiddle around with a person's name and put anything you like. No matter that the name to you seems to be odd, weird or lengthy, a nick name or a pseudonym. It is not for you to decide how the member's name should be put. You may not realize it, but there are some names which, when shortened, are actually highly inappropriate to use because they imply something vulgar.

    Also, regarding forms of address - do be careful. It is not funny to address the female members as 'Mr.' or a male member to be addressed as 'Ms.' Many names in our country are such that it could be of either gender. Do not play guessing games. If you are in doubt about a person's gender, just simply use the name only.
  • #602450
    Thank you for your advise. We will follow this hereafter without any deviation.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #602456
    I also agree with the author. Even I had observed it. Thank you madam.

  • #602459
    Honestly, I get confused with the names of the members. It would be better to add a first name as Mr. Or Ms. whichever is appropriate. In case of males, they can add Nick names like John, or upload a male real photo so members wouldn't misunderstand them.
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  • #602461
    Normally I address the name as they appear against the profile name of the said author but out of closeness and having daily rapport, I too made mistake in past to address the name in short. Henceforth it will be avoided.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #602465
    I generally don't make this type of mistake. Even if there is such mistake in my post, this is unintentional and a typo. However, the direction will be remembered. But the million-dollar question is whether the Members who are generally guilty and intentionally commit this mistake will pay heed to this advice, or not.
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  • #602467
    John Deo -
    1. "It would be better to add a first name as Mr. Or Ms. whichever is appropriate."
    - Please read the text of this thread again. When there is confusion, best to put nothing.

    2. " In case of males, they can add Nick names like John, or upload a male real photo"
    - (a) It is for the member to decide what name they wish to have appear here, not for us to instruct them to put in a nick name. (b) Uploading a photo is not mandatory.

    K Mohan - If you are having a closeness & rapport with a member, then he/she may be comfortable with a short name in private communications, not here, on this open platform.

    Keep smiling...one day life will get tired of upsetting you.

  • #602474
    To be very frank, during my entire 6 + years of ISC service, I had been addressing the members with their short names with love and affection, and none complained against it. Also, I never came across any member complaining for using their nick/shortened name. Why a sudden worry about the ISC names? Did any member of ISC lodged a complaint to ISC admin? I have seen many of us addressing our Head of the site ISC with love and affection as "Tony". Did this affect Mr. Tony John mentally?

    If we all consider ourselves as members from one ISC family, there shouldn't be any directve for addressing each other, I feel. Addressing a member by his/her nick name(if known) or shortened name (if liked) gives pleasure to both the members.

    I think, ISC wishes its members to live and behave like stranger to each other. I do not accept your directive whole heartedly, Since it is a directive from the Managing Editor of ISC, I will go by it half heartedly.

    @ My request to ISC Admin: If a member has a fictious funny name, ISC should not permit them, and should not mind if they are addressed with their shortened name. To be very clear, Bulldozer2 is a negative funny non-Indian name. Such names should be taken care or ignored by ISC. The word bull has caused this thread, I am sure.

    I feel ISC a family, not a site.

    Also, Kindly let me/us know where we went wrong with the members names that made you to issue this directive, after having served for good 10 years at ISC?

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602508
    Perhaps names were used with love & affection. It is irrelevant whether or not a formal complaint is lodged.

    If we find something is no longer acceptable, then we will accordingly do the needful. I don't think even you would like it if, one fine day, your name was shortened to two letters or even one. You can look up short forms of names used in the past and you will find the answer about why shortened names are unacceptable.

    There are no names which are negative and there is no such thing as a "non-Indian" name. Keep in mind we welcome members from around the world.

    I do not wish to have further discussion on your views.

    Keep smiling...one day life will get tired of upsetting you.

  • #602510
    This is a welcome development.

    I am glad that my post was instrumental in bringing about a radical change. Even though I have not been given credit for the same. The fact that the vulgarity of a shortened name is mentioned as the reason for this policy change is indicative of the fact that my post triggered this change.

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  • #602524
    It is bad if Managing Editor of ISC has not thought and acted on her own and acted by taking a supporting response into consideration as claimed by Ms Juana. It puts down the ISC authority. ISC thy name is efficiency, not in this thread. ISC thy name is deficiency, in this thread. Members are trying to take charge of ISC Admin. It shouldn't happen.
    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602529
    Honestly speaking, I always admire Mr. Sun for his infinite abiity to take thread to a different direction. This thread can be taken as a random example. The thread tries to discuss the need to address Members properly without distoring their names, Mr. Sun is trying to take us to 'efficiency/deficiency of ISC'.

    Hat's off! Mr. Sun.

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  • #602534
    Dear ISC,
    For a person, the name is very important. Every child born is named very carefully after taking the astrology, ,numerology, date ,time and star of birth into consideration to have a good effect. Yes. there are good positive names and bad negative names. Also there are Indian names and British/English/foreign names. No parent will like to name their wards as Chor, Mazdoor, boss, Mottu, Langda, Cowherd or Shepherd or cowdozer or bulldozer or Oxdozer 1/2/3 etc. One should be decent with their acceptable fictious positive names, if not, the name will create trouble for them, as it happened here. Else they should not feel offended.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602535
    Mr. Partha,
    Did you notice some member giving a hint for cash credit for some of their responses in a different thread in this thread? Is it not a deviation or taking the thread off the track?

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602538
    Sun,

    For your understanding 'credit' does not mean cash credit. Credit also means to recognise another's efforts. Limited knowledge, in essence, is very dangerous.

    As far as taking the thread off the track, you are a master at it.

    Underestimate me...that'll be fun!

  • #602542
    Ms Juana
    ISC always recognises its members' efforts through the cash credits only. It is my good experience that I talked about cash credit to your so called good efforts. You simply supported the Managing Editor's response. Not a good or special effort that requires any commendation from ISC.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602549
    Sun,

    I use English as a medium of expression and I view things beyond the realms of ISC. Things do not run on your experiences and perception. You can limit your views to cash credits on ISC, but that doesn't make you right.

    Passing comments without knowing the background is as dangerous as limited knowledge.

    I did not support anyone's response. I highlighted that the decision was taken after my intervention, in this thread. If what I highlighted in the aforementioned thread was already known then action would have been taken earlier. The fact that the decision of disallowing the shortening of names happened close on the heels of my post is indicative of it being the driving force behind the decision. Till now everyone was oblivious to the meaning of certain shortened names. I did educate the lot. There is nothing wrong in seeking acknowledgement.

    Underestimate me...that'll be fun!

  • #602551
    Than you Vandana Mam, for this awesome step. Sometimes I have also noticed the problem. Hope in future everybody here in ISC must follow these rules.

  • #602552
    Ms. Anosua M (#602551): Madam, kindly explain 'this awsome step' taken by Ms. Vandana, so that Members like Partha Kansabanik can also congratulate her. What rules of ISC are you talking about?
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  • #602557
    Oh My Good Lord!
    I will conclude it by saying this - Since the inception of ISC (for the last 10 good years) ISC did not experience any such addressing problem. Also, in Sun's 6 and 1/4 years of service, no one was checked for addressing the members by their shortened/nick/pet/half/quarter names. Suddenly a Bull created (though not) some problem .
    Anyway, we are duty bound to follow the Managing Editor's special directives.
    Amen.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602568
    We have large number of members from the length and breadth of our country. There are names from different places, some names may be nick names only. So it is a better practice to address a person with the name as appearing here.

    I thing this is a good step ISC has taken for uniformity in addressing names to avoid confusions and any misunderstanding.

    There is no problem in this and I welcome this informative move from the managing editor.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #602577
    The educated lot should have highlighted the fact or should have pointed the fact out or should have educated the ignorant that

    1. Addressing 'Tony John' as 'Tony' does not amount to shortening of 'Tony John'. The fact is that we are using his first name - Tony- only instead of using his full name to be informal.
    2. Addressing 'Gypsy' as 'Gyp' or 'Bulldozer' as 'Bull' is, in fact, shortening of a name. Shortening of a name without someone's permission is not logical and acceptable either. We should respect the choice of name or screen name of an individual unless it is pornographic in nature. We should know the limits & boundaries.

    I have been addressed as 'Gyp' by an ISCian in the past. I never retaliated or voiced my anger. It does not mean that I liked it or I accepted it. I did not have time & energy to get into any argument with the illogical ISCian who is always hellbent in proving himself right.

    When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new!

  • #602587
    My dear fellow Members,
    It was the love and affection from the member who treated ISC members as one family member and called them by their nick/pet/part names. Members have created their own fictitious self hurting funny names for their re-entry. Now we have proved that ISC is not one family where members are not free and cannot address each other with their nick/pet/part/shortened names.

    I do remember some member addressing me intentionally as ' Son' in the past. I used to take it lightly. Because I love fun.

    Hope to see no further Gyp and Bull work at ISC. All will be addressed by their full name as it appears on the screen as instructed by our dear Managing Editor.

    After the directive from our ME, it will not be proper to use the first name only. All are expected to use the full name as it appears. Else, our ME can issue an amendment to the directive allowing members to use the first name or last name of the member. Until then, the full screen name should be used. Tony John should be Tony John only, not Tony.

    .

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602593
    I see no point in wasting my time & energy making someone understand that 'Tony' is a first name and is not a shortened name. PERIOD.
    When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new!

  • #602603
    It has been on the cards for quite a while to have members addressing each other properly as per the name which appears at their posts. The response in that thread by Juana just re-ignited what was smouldering (ruefully, giving her credit a bit late here - the honest truth is, was unsure really of whether or not to mention her name & did not want to give link to that thread due to it likely taking this thread off-track ).

    It should be noted that there have been a few policies implemented and new features introduced because of suggestions of members or indications that something should be done thanks to a response of a member. Annoying caricatures in the name of "fun" cartoons was done away with, remember? So it is not that this one response alone has created a change. In fact, ISC is developing and growing phenomenally and suddenly some things just need to be done on the spur of the moment. So whether it is after 10 years or 20 is really irrelevant.

    Please can I request members to be more understanding about the purpose of this thread and move on.

    Keep smiling...one day life will get tired of upsetting you.

  • #602605
    I too see no point in convincing a member to address ' Tony John' as ' Tony John' and not simply ' Tony', as the directive from our dear Managing Editor Vandana specifically says that the name of the member should be written as it appears at ISC. She did not talk about the first name or middle name or last name. It is the ISC name. Anything more to say?

    @ Certainly, a new Bull from a Bulldozer has ignited/triggered this thread, not a sudden policy change after 10 years or to be after 20 or 30. Bull means not only a cattle, but also has a different good meaning. Also, good names like Bullbull, Bullbullthara. Why think bad and act!

    Yet, I will strictly follow the ME's latest guidelines on the subject.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602650
    Thank you, Vandana, as it is said, better late than never.

    I think the Webmaster will have to revisit this policy and introduce further changes to avoid its misuse. Some people will go to ridiculous heights to stay one up on the admin, which is obvious in the way things have unfolded after the response @ #602603 was published.

    Since ISC is always open to suggestions I propose that members be made to use only their registered names, in full or in part. This will also put an end to the mocking of the system which is now being done, as is clearly evident, as well as prevent the subsequent humiliation of members who take to addressing other members by their absolutely insane names.

    Shortened versions of names should also no longer be allowed, especially when the use of such names can have different interpretations. The use of shortened names restricts other members, as they cannot use the word, in a form which they want. If such names are allowed then the same should not be considered as being the sole property of the member.

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  • #602660
    I strongly oppose the suggestion that only registered names be allowed to be used.

    Someone may not like to divulge his/her identity on an open forum due to reasons known to him or her. If using of registered names is made compulsory, then the member will have just two options -
    1. He/she will use a fake name, if he is not interested in any earnings from ISC, like yours truly and
    2. He/she may stop contributing here, in that case ISC and its members may be at loss of the valuable contribution the member can make to ISC.

    I think the only restriction should be that nobody should be allowed to either shorten or distort anybody's name in the name/guise of fun.

    @Juana: I too agree with your views regarding the things unfolding after #602603. There is no limit to stupidity!

    When you talk, you are only repeating what you already know. But if you listen, you may learn something new!

  • #602663
    Dear all,
    I sincerely agree with the suggestion from Ms Juana, and also with the strong objection raised by Mr Gypsy. ISC should think well and revise it's policy on the usage of names at ISC. People who have already shown their stupidity long ago that lead others to follow should not talk about the size, height ,weight and limit of stupidity.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602706
    Gypsy,

    Pseudonyms that you suggest suit level-headed, sane people. Self-aggrandizing folks aren't mature enough to handle them. Those who use names of inanimate objects as their pseudonyms should be prudent enough to know that they do not own the name. They must know that there is a whole world that has an opinion on that object. That, the word, when used in the forum, is not always in reference to them.

    You might not hit the roof if I were to weave a story or quote a song that uses your pseudonym. You might have the ability to gauge that it is just a story or a legit song and it was not you that I was referring to. But, not everyone can display the same level of prudence. The sad part is that the editors play into their hands. There are a lot of vain people, who cannot think beyond their swollen heads. The thought that only they should be 'protected' infringes on my liberty. This limits me, and my freedom is inadvertently curtailed. I also have a problem with being judged and being given the 'guilty' verdict for something that wasn't intended. I have a problem when members think that they have full rights over an object, and no one else can use it. I have one word struck off my vocabulary, because of this.

    ISC should be fair to all its members. If it allows someone to conceal their identity, it must also allow others the freedom to express themselves, especially if they are able to provide a legitimate explanation that conveys their clean intent. Can we stop the partisan interpretations that exist? If yes, then I am fine with people taking any name they want.

    I endorse your view that "there is no limit to stupidity". I wonder what will ISC's stand be on this new development.

    Underestimate me...that'll be fun!

  • #602719
    My dear fellow ISCian,
    I think, all at ISC are level-headed and sane to use pseudonyms according to their will and wish. If they are insane, they won't survive at ISC as Platinum and diamond. I remember the insane people who could not be tolerated by ISC once, have left ISC with their original name and joined as a sane member with a Pseudonym.
    I don't understand what made the members to talk about sane, insane and stupidity at ISC.
    Just look at this: Guru is a Sanskrit word that means Master or Teacher. Don't we have sane people with the name 'Guru' in our country? As Guru can be a common Indian name, so the English name Master.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602721
    Master-ji: In Delhi, nowadays people address the tailors as Master-ji.
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  • #602723
    Partha Kansabanik,
    You are not following the directive of our ME. The person should be addressed by the name as it appears at ISC. Nothing should be prefixed or suffixed with the name. Is it clear to you, Partha Kansabanik? Else, you may skip addressing a member by his name if you don't like the name..

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602725
    With reference to response #602723 - It is pretty obvious that Partha is not addressing you, but pointing out a form of address generally for tailors. This form of address is in many cities and not just in Delhi. I too address my tailor as "Masterji".

    It is also the member's prerogative whether or not to address a member by the name, since it may not even be required (such as in an email, we may not begin each mail with the name of the person). We do give responses very often without specifically mentioning the name.

    Keep smiling...one day life will get tired of upsetting you.

  • #602730
    Vandana,
    Please understand it clearly. Partha Kansabanik has addressed me . There is no reason to start it in that way. Either he should address the member by name or quote the response Number # or leave it blank. I think, you also don't understand things at times and post a blind remark.

    For that matter, we address our Dhobi too as Master. Because he is Master of the laundry. The Safaiwala too addressed as Master as he is master in cleaning the area.

    So, don't feel worried about the name Master. You should think about a Master working at ISC as creator, as a debater, as contributor. Kindly don't bring in your tailor and dhobi to ISC from Delhi or anywhere from India.

    No life without Sun ¤

  • #602791
    With reference to a mandatory policy on using registered names only - as of now the Webmasters have not conveyed any such restriction so we will leave it at that. We will close this discussion now.

    It would be good if members do not come up with various nonsensical offshoots related to this thread's directive which are merely creating absurd discussions. A little more maturity please from members. Can you not just simply respect the request made not to shorten the names of members? I don't think it is too hard to do so.

    Keep smiling...one day life will get tired of upsetting you.


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