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    If Rahul Gandhi accepts dynastic rule, how can Congress and he claim to be democratic?

    The doubt on people's mind is now cleared. The once largest party in India is not at all democratic. In fact for the last many decades it was proving to be so. No one knows when the last election was conducted within that party. All posts came to be nominated. Leaders were not growing from grassroots wok, but were imposed and implanted from top- the High Command. Once there was a feeling that the then PM late Indira Gandhi, of Congress was turning autocratic. However democratic minded Indian 'janata' put a stop to that by defeating her in elections.( Ironically it was Indira who abolished privy purse given to erstwhile Royals.)

    Now, to culminate all these, Rahul Gandhi, the party's VP and probably talked about as the party's PM candidate in next elections has stated that in India all parties follow dynastic rule. At least all those he quoted are or were allies of Congress once or other time.

    Can people be blamed if they regret how they miss the earlier Royal rule seeing how the 'modern dynasty rule' functions?
  • #608922
    While talking to the students of foreign country, Rahul Gandhi while replying to a question, he said that he is not averse to contest again for the post of PM if the party so suggest. Who said that Congress is not following the dynastic rule. The party was centered around Gandhi family and every decision is taken by High command.

    Over the years Congress party was ruled by dynasty and by default Narasimha Rao and Manmohan Singh have become Prime Minister bowing to the outburst of opposition. By the way just expressing the desire to become PM of the country does not suffice. He should have popular vote and acceptance by the voters. As far as I know, many voters does not see him as the formidable candidate and still see him as the grand son of Indira Gandhi and son of Sonia Gandhi. He cannot crack into the bastions of Prime Minister Modi and thus his dreams may not be fulfilled as of now.

    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #608933
    Some people may feel that dynasty is the true form of democracy! Jokes apart, we, the common voters of India, are responsible for such situation. We never voted on the basis of performance. We voted for family, beauty, personality, stardom, on caste consideration, or religious consideration. Even if some people now try to come out of these narrow and petty political equations, media shirks hound them. It is quite natural for a dynastic leader to enjoy such circumstances and even to recommend dynastic rule.
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  • #608935
    Yes Partha I also agree with you. We the voters are always not in a position to judge whom to vote and for having not found the right candidate, the voters have been choosing Congress by default.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #608945
    Apart from dynastic rule, simply saying members of the same family should not enter into politics is not correct. If they have worth, talent and vision they get elected democratically only by the people. For example in cine field or business, even though their family members come to the field all of them are not successful. Abhishek is not so successful as Amitabh because of his less abilities or techniques as his father and thus he is not so popular as Amitabh. So in India whatever the way they come in to politics it is the democratic way only what it prevails. Naturally by chance it happened to BJP where there are no successors for them in politics whereas for Congress it happened. TDP party who got good name in governance in A.P. the successors of the party only are continuing. So it is unwise to say successors should not enter into politics and should not aim for big posts seeing the present scenario of BJP party.

  • #608949
    There is no problem if the same family member is occupying the highest post in the Party and Government ruled by their party. But the question is capability and credibility. Congress made Manmohan Singh as prime minister two terms. Did he prove his ability? He is always tight lipped. Only Congress President is dictating the terms. As mentioned by the author there are no internal party elections. Leaders were chosen by opening a sealed cover. These leaders will have no right to talk about democracy.
    Prime Minister's son can become Prime Minister. There is no problem. But the particular candidate should deserve that post. When Sanjay Gandhi was there Indira Gandhi supported him and planning to bring him to the party but not Rajiv Gandhi. The question is capability. In TDP Ms. Lakshmi Parvati tried to become party chief after NTR. But that party vanished. Even Rama Rao supported Babu but not one of his sons, before the arrival of Lakshmi Parvathi on the scene. Why?
    So congress will go by Gandhi family only. Ther is no second person there. Only voters have to realise and act.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #608953
    If a doctor's son can be a doctor and an advocate's son can can be an advocate or so as the list is endless, what is wrong if a political leader's son become a politician. The crux of the matter is that they will have to prove their caliber and cannot just rest on hierarchy. We, the voters, need not blame ourselves because we have our limitations. It is high time to look into the qualities of a contestant rather than his party flag before casting our vote.

    I am not contesting what Rahul Gandhi has said but if it was just about dynasty or our inclination to the Nehru clan, the Congress would have been in power all the time. So, it is not all about dynasty or the party, the voters have different interests ( apart from National interests) and that is why we are forced to be in a confused stage. Though Modi and team has an absolute majority, the voters are still confused and that matters a lot. Let us have a look at the history of the Congress and assure ourselves as to whether the party is democratic.

    Venkiteswaran sir, to be critical of Rahul or Sonia or any top leader for that matter and to be able to come out with opinions openly, a party must be democratic and that is the simple reason for its survival across all these years despite all setbacks; I think so.

    'Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance'- Confucius

  • #608955
    Rahul-ji and Sonia-ji have never proved their leadership quality. They always remain busy to 'remote-control'the UPA Government under Dr. Manmohan Singh. Now we are almost sure that Mr. Singh would not return 'to be controlled' in future, the searchlight is directly on Rahul-ji and partly on Sonia-ji. And the glaring searchlight has made the 5th generation leader(?) extremely uncomfortable.

    The shortcomings can't remain hidden despite sincere attempts by other Congress leaders.s

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  • #608960
    Due to dynasty factor many people got opportunity to reach top posts in our country irrespective of the fact whether they deserved it or not. It is very difficult for a common person to reach top political post if he is not having a link to royal family. There are exceptions and only these exceptions create history and bring the change.

    The successors of the royal family only work in the routine way as they knew that they have to take up that top post one day whether they deserved it or not.

    The royal family and high command are running a country as per their whims and law and order is also following their eyeballs. It is really a pity that we vote such family representatives without thinking whether they will do something for the country or not.

    The thread has nicely raised this issue and I am happy that so many members have posted their views helping us to understand the crux of the problem.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #608968
    Many are talking about BJP is so democratic in its functioning and other parties are not. But any party at present has no internal democracy in its functioning like in good olden times including BJP party. The people who are talking its democracy are in illusion only. Everything what is going on in the party are decided by its party President Mr. Amit Sha or Mr. Modi. The proposed candidates in the name of consensuses are projected as democratically elected persons. At least in Congress lot of different voices come out even a candidate is posted by high command and then some internal discussion will go out taking all the candidates into consideration to select one member. For example, the selection of Mr. Yogi Adityanath for UP CM was done by Mr. Modi. Then the Assembly members on behest of BJP President elected him as CM candidate. The same thing is happening in any party. Then what is the difference between BJP and other parties in democratic way of functioning?

  • #608970
    If Rahul Gandhi is again pitted against PM Modi for the next term general election, then it would be cake walk win for the Modi as Rahul Gandhi cannot match to the intelligent moves of Modi and BJP President Amit Shah. By the way the BJP is readying more corruption charges against Congress party leaders and also digging the old corruption cases, so that they want to defeat the chances of Congress coming to power mentally. And then strategist Amit Shah would stoop to the plan of garnering more votes at grass root level for Modi and of course there would be transfer of money to every account before election as promised by Modi.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #608977
    The Congress party derives its strength from the Nehru family, Unless someone from that family is at the helm of affairs of the party, it will disintegrate. This is true of the party but not governance, The dynastic family propaganda is only to disintegrate the party. As of now, there is no one who can keep the party together without a Nehru family member. Whatever people may say, the Congress party has to stay that way for the time being. The NDA Government under BJP is not at all democratic, Everything has to be cleared by the PMO. No minister has the independence to do anything on his own. No BJP lawmaker can comment on the party. If someone dares to question, he will be taken to task and may be expelled from the party. That is all about democracy in the BJP.

    After 1999 elections Congress party was in deep trouble. It was Sonia Gandhi who stepped in to strengthen the party. The NDA Government after completing five years in Government went into the 2004 General Election campaign with the slogan "India Shining". The pre-poll surveys indicated a comfortable win for The NDA. Under the leadership of Sonia Gandhi, the Congress party turned the tables by shutting the lights off the BJP slogan India Shining. Sonia Gandhi proved her leadership qualities by bringing Congress party to victory against all the odds. Coming to Rahul Gandhi, I am also not confident of his capabilities.

    We are living in one of the biggest democratic countries in the world. The success or failure of a democratic country depends on strong opposition parties. Congress is an old political party which ruled this country for over 50 and odd years. It lost the previous election due to corruption. If a house is infested by pests, we try to control and eradicate the pest. We do not burn the house because of the pests. I hope the Congress party bounces back to its previous glory and play a positive role in the development of the country.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #609000
    It is true that democracy becomes more successful, more effective when opposition is strong. But strong opposition doesn't mean opposition party leader going to an enemy country and urging the leaders of that country to throw away the democratically elected leader/party of India. Strong opposition doesn't mean engaging in all sorts of conspiracy, hitting below the belt, seeking proof of surgical strike to help the enemy-nation, to openly ridicule the religious beliefs of the majority by killing calf on the road and displaying it. Strong opposition doesn't mean changing the demography of different areas for the sake of narrow vote-bank politics.

    Strong and mature opposition monitors the policy and implementation of the present regime and points out the lacunae for the sake of better governance, for the sake of stronger India. Strong and mature opposition doesn't work with an aim to destroy the country.

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  • #609013
    The attributes required of an opposition party are not followed by the Congress, BJP or any other political party. The political parties are habituated to talk in one way when they are in opposition and act in another way when they are in power. This is true of both Congress and BJP.

    It looks ridiculous to me to read that the opposition party leader has gone to an enemy country to urge the leaders of that country to throw away the party /leader from power in our country. Is the fabric of democracy in our country so thin that it can be torn away at will and pleasure by the leader of another country? The opposition leaders also tour other countries as a part of maintaining good relations. Rahul Gandhi met the Chinese Ambassador when there is a standoff between India and China. India is having diplomatic relations with China and other than the standoff, everything is normal. I do not find anything wrong with that. If it is wrong, then The The Prime Ministers visit to Pakistan may also be faulted.

    What is the need of publicising the surgical strike? The Army has done what it is the best to be done. There is no point of the Defence Minister publicising it. It is only an election gimmick by the BJP with posters appearing before elections.

    Vote bank politics are played by all the parties. The BJP openly declared that Andhra Pradesh will be bifurcated when it comes to power. It is for all the political parties to put their politics apart and work for the development of the country.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #609029
    Indian memory seems to be very short. The great opposition leader, Shi M.S. Aiyar, who had done a great service to present ruling party by calling its leader a 'chai-wala', later tried to mitigate the issue by going to Pakistan and asking Pakistani leaders to help his party to throw away the present ruling regime. How do we forget this great leader so soon?
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  • #609031
    One of the fundamental duties of an Indian Citizen is to develop scientific temperament. The arguments should be fair and reasonable. No political party will approach outsiders to throw away the Government in our country. All are patriots of our country.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #609048
    One other comment passed by the author is leaders are not developed from gross root work from opposition parties as it can be seen in BJP party. Most of the stalwarts in opposition parties whether they are successful in politics or not are come from gross root levels only and most of them are highly educated as well as are professionals. By going through their Biographies you may be astonished how they came into politics despite of their high qualifications and holding high positions. Because of their good interest in politics and doing service to society they entered into politics. Indira Gandhi, P.V. Narasimha Rao, A.K.Antony, Yechuri Sitaram, Somnath Chatarjee, Namboo Tripad, Pranab Mukharjee, Gulam Nabi Ajad, Brahmananda Reddy, Sashi Taroor, Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy, V.P. Singh, Jai Ram Ramesh, Renuka Chowdary --------- and so many are highly educated and came into politics from gross root levels only. Even Mr. Rahul Gandhi also not directly entering into ruling politics and as an M.P. of a State learning politics by moving along with the people slowly. Success of a leader may depend upon various facts and scenario of politics of that time. Belittling him with jokes and passing ugly comments like ruling party members is not good for our democracy.

  • #609058
    Democracy become more successful if the ruling party behaves in an impartial and show honest and sincere path or approach to clean politics. Some of the points in which the ruling BJP party failed in its sincerity and honesty towards clean politics-
    1. Talking with two tongues- BJP got 81% of its total election funding in 2015-16 came from unknown sources. BJP on one hand saying they are very strict with black money entering into politics. By backdoor they are supporting black money. A foreign company Vedanta of USA gave a huge sum to Congress party before General elections. BJP filed a case against Congress with regard to this and the same company gave huge sums to both the parties every year regularly as an unknown source. According to law foreign companies cannot fund political parties in India. To save this funding to both the political parties the sincere BJP leader Mr.Jaitley changed the amendment of FRCA Act under Money bill that those companies who have registered as subsidiaries in India can donate funds to political parties as unknown source. Thus he nullified the illegality of huge funding's of foreign companies for politics.
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    2. In Goa, Manipur and Nagaland elections where BJP trailing behind by opposition party turned the tables by horse trading and money inducing tactics by BJP supremo Amit Sha. Many saffron eyes seeing this tactics as Chanukya tactics in politics by Amit Shah.
    3. In honest politics is where leaders have to be adored, loved and appreciated by the people. To win various other states where BJP is not in rule, Amit Shah like strategists laying out plans far head of elections to win the elections by hook or crook which is not a democratic process. Present ruling parties get frightened and terrified by this type of attitudes followed by BJP which hampers the smoothness of their ruling.
    4. BJP party is said to be a true patriotic and nationalist party but it is aliened with a party PDP in Kashmir which is supporting separatists.
    5. In the name of subkesath (including every one) eliminating or depriving members of certain communities to get elected (elected representatives) to the Assemblies/Parliament appears to be more democratic to saffron eyes.
    6. BJP talked so much about corruption and immediate introduction of Jan Lokpal but has forgotten about the issue after the mandate.

  • #609069
    Dynasty rules have inherent defect of qualifying a person for top post whether he has a aptitude for it or not and secondly he deserves it or not.
    If undeserving and uninterested people become the leader of the party and that party wins election and rules the country then that will be the worst scenario and democracy will be stumbling on its feet.
    I feel the level of capability and capacity of a person should be the criterion for a leader of a party. In that case only he will be ruling the country in a democratic manner and always working in the direction of development.

    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #609071
    "Indira Gandhi, P.V. Narasimha Rao, A.K.Antony, Yechuri Sitaram, Somnath Chatarjee, Namboo Tripad, Pranab Mukharjee, Gulam Nabi Ajad, Brahmananda Reddy, Sashi Taroor, Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy, V.P. Singh, Jai Ram Ramesh, Renuka Chowdary -------and so many are highly educated and came into politics from gross root levels only. Even Mr. Rahul Gandhi also not directly entering into ruling politics and as an M.P. of a State learning politics by moving along with the people slowly. ''-Are all of them grass-root politicians? Somnath Chatterjee, Renuka Chowdhary, Sashi Tharoor, Rahul Gandhi, Indira Gandhi are grass-root politicians!

    What is the definition of grass-root politicians according to the Member?

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  • #609077
    #609069
    It is also true if one or two persons becoming more powerful than all others after democratically got elected controlling everything in the party is one more worst scenario for democracy.
    #609071
    A person with greater contact with people or a person who involved in social welfare activities or a person developed leadership qualities from young age as an ordinary person or during educational career can be groomed as gross root politicians.
    Indira Gandhi from her childhood moved with Gandhi, associated with her father Nehru, grand father, Rabindranath Tagore and other patriots of the country in her home who are involved independent struggle. Mrs. Renuka Chowdary is an active social worker before she joined politics. Mr. Somnath Chatarjee joined as an ordinary member in Marxist party and reached to the top position as speaker of Loksabha. Mr. Sashi Taroor a highly educated scholar, a popular journalist, columnist for many news papers, good debater of many political and social issues, a great writer, economist, global leader World Economic forum, won many national and international awards for his writings and also won March 2010 – "New Age Politician of the Year" Award.

  • #609083
    I read the examples provided by the respected Member with great interest! Let me take one or two cases of so-called ''grass-root'' politicians.

    Somnath Chatterjee: Let me take his case first, because Somnath Chatterjee was our MP in Kolkata for a quite long time. His father N.C. Chatterjee, like Somnath Chatterjee, was a very famous lawyer and an important member of the Constitution Drafting Committee. Somath was born with golden spoon in his mouth. He joined CPI(M), held many important positions since the beginning and at the time of leaving the party, he was a Central Committee member. He used to win due to the popularity of the party. He was never a grass-root politician.

    Sashi Tharoor: Laugh Out Loudly.! He was the Under Secretary General of the UN only a very few years back. He fought for the post of UN Secretary General, lost the election and returned to India to join politics. Congress made him the MP from Thiruvananthpuram. He also won the seat on the basis of party's popularity, not of his own.

    From the examples quoted at #609077, it is crystal- clear that some Members may not be aware about the definition of grass-root politicians. They are calling Indira and Rahul as grass-root politicians! So, I feel that it is almost fruitless to debate the issue of dynastic politics with such Member.

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  • #609084
    Grass root level politician are those, who get full votes from the voters of their constituency and they have the long standing in their party having tasted the win and defeat over the years. If you want to name few I would suggest the names of P V Narasimha Rao, Sitaram Kesari who was no more, Y S Rajasekhara Redyy who was no more from Congress to mention few. From BJP the present Vice President Venkaiah Naidu, Bandaru Datatreya, are the old stalwarts of party and they are immensely popular among the voters. Likewise in other regional parties too there are good politicians who worked with ground level workers and gained the popularity.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #609085
    Lively discussion and summaries of the current Indian political scene. Although we call ourselves a democratic country, the Indian public either because of lack of choice or ignorance have indirectly encouraged dynasty rule. We need to just look at various states of the country, every state has members for 3 or more generations at the helm of affairs be it local, state or the national level.

    Mr.Saji Ganesh has brought out an interesting point that when it comes to profession son or daughter following the footsteps of the father in the norm in many Indian families and walks of life. So maybe politics is a profession and the so-called ruling dynasties have developed a 'family business'.

    There are many Indian movies regarding Indian politics addressing black money, corruption with good endings, I see beginnings of such in the real world (corruption being exposed, political leaders are jailed for wrong deeds, black money being deposited). What we need is to move to the next step - make this happen more often and in every state. I don't mind dynasty rule if it ensures growth and well-being of the common man and the country.We, the people of India have brilliant minds working in various key areas of the government; a few such minds need to set out basic criteria for politicians entering whatever office they aspire to. A 1st standard student is tested in A, B, C, D and 1,2,3,4 which forms the basis of education and it shapes the student. Likewise, why not have a set of factors (local knowledge, aptitude, skills, awareness of problems of people and the likely practical solution etc). Once they qualify and assume office, their performance needs to be assessed regularly with mandatory disqualification for dishonesty, corruption and putting one's self above the constituency and country).

    We have had No car day, rally for rivers, pink day (for breast cancer), why not a No corruption day in the Indian Government machinery (there may not be many left in the offices on that day).

  • #609105
    What is a dynastic rule? It is a sequence of rulers from the same family. The power of ruling is passed on from one member of the family to another in succession. In the case of Congress party, Jawaharlal Nehru became the first Prime Minister of India from 1947 to 1964. His daughter Indira Gandhi became Prime Minister in 1966 to 1977 and from1980 to 1984 until her assassination while in power. Rajiv Gandhi was then made Prime Minister for the interim time. He was the Prime Minister from 1984 to 1989. All these members of the Nehru family got elected to the Parliament in a democratic manner and became Prime Ministers. They were not made Prime Ministers in succession as in a dynastic rule. They were all democratically elected and became Prime Ministers according to the wishes of their party. The propaganda of dynastic rule is a ploy by the BJP to weaken Congress.

    The Nehru family made sacrifices for the country. It earned the respect and acceptance of the people of India to be in power for a long time. There is no other family which earned that much respect and acceptance among all other political parties.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #609107
    Nehru family did make some sacrifices for the country, but got back thousands time more in return. What about Bose family? What about Gandhi family? What did the family-members of these families get from the country?

    But that is totally our fault-the fault of Indian voters. It is really ridiculous that we call ourselves mature democracy, although we vote on the basis of religion, caste, community, family, dynasty. Only very recently Indian voters are showing some semblance of maturity and as a result the Congress party is on the verge of being wiped out from Indian political scenario.

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  • #609110
    Gandhi, Subash Chandra Bose, Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Lal Bahadur sastry like great patriotic people never thought about what they get in return for their sacrifices like present day politicians or like you or me at present. They struggled and sacrificed everything to see India free from British and in this they succeeded completely. At present some of the people of our generations talking in a sarcastic way criticizing the sincerity of Gandhi or Nehru towards the nation. Thinking on lines of what they got for the sacrifices of such great patriots like Gandhi or Bose which they never expected in return, it is the fault of the selfish mentalities developed by the people and political condition of present day generations.

  • #609119
    @Partha Kansabanik:
    Mr. Ramakrishna expressed what I wanted to. The leaders who participated in the independence struggle made the sacrifices without expecting anything in return. I am very happy that you have accepted that Nehru family made some sacrifices for the country.
    We have already strayed from the subject of this thread. Let us put a stop to this.

    " Be Good and Do Good "


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