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    Opting for a career before pursuing higher studies or vice-versa - active GD


    Do you think a youngster should take up a job right after graduation or complete higher studies in its entirety before getting employed? Join in this debate with your views.



    Education is literally never-ending. After UG, we need to think of postgraduation (PG), PhD, PG certifications and so on. At the same time, youngsters have to think of their careers also. They need to start earning. After all, how long can they depend on parents/family support?

    However, if one were to complete higher studies and then start working, it would need a lot of resources and years go by. On the other hand, if one were to start working and then take up higher studies, either by distance mode or correspondence mode, it would be hectic but at least the youngster is earning and the career has taken off. So there are two sides of the coin.

    So let's debate: Do you think it is right for youngsters to opt for a career before going for higher studies? Or should they fully complete their studies once and for all and then only start working?

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    Closing date: 24th January 2018, midnight (IST).
  • #623632
    Discussing with the team & Webmasters if this is a good topic for an active GD. Till then, temporarily locked.
    When people come at you with their worst, you should come at them with your best (advice given to Selena Gomez by her mother, quoted in Time magazine.)

  • #623715
    This thread is now open, officially converted to an active GD.

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  • #623718
    The best option for a student is to fully complete the studies once for all and then only start working. The chances of getting a job immediately after the completion of graduation are very less. The student has to decide first up to which level he is going to study. In the IT sector, if the student is able to get proper employment immediately after the completion of the degree or during campus interview then there may not be any necessity for improving the qualification because it will be mostly updating and upgrading the skills in working on the new platforms. The parents will also be willing to support for continuing the education as they are already in the process. The educational loans are also available to help the students to continue their studies. The studies after post graduation level like Ph.D. or any other certification programmes can be done while working. In some cases, the management may also encourage the employees to pursue higher studies depending on their necessity with a built-in safety like bonds for a certain period of time after completion of the study. In the teaching profession, the Government or the management in case of private institutions allow their faculty to go on study leave. In my view, it is always better to continue the studies at one go.

    It is always better to complete the studies up to postgraduate level and try for a job. Further studies if any can be done while doing the job.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #623720
    The career what you want to take up is the important factor to decide the question put forward.
    General graduates like BA, B.Com and B.Sc may not be able to get a very good job with this graduation alone. If they want to have a career in teaching they should go for B.Ed. If they want to go for higher posts like scientists, chemists, accountants etc. they have to go for post graduation or specialised courses. If they join in a small job after graduation and further they want to study, it will be very difficult. As they have to settle in their job and prove themselves there they should struggle hard. Hence studying at that moment is very difficult. So they can't concentrate on further studies. So they have to decide before joining the job and then they should take a decision on this.
    After B. Ed if the candidate goes for a teaching post, he will have an advantage of pursuing his further studies there. He will be in touch with the subject and he will have summer vacations where he can concentrate on further studies. So the answer to the question depends on the career the candidate wants to have. Regarding the technical graduates, I will try to discuss further in the coming posts.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #623730
    In my view, if one has graduated in any professional course, they may start earning after completion of the course. After gaining some work experience, they may join higher educational course. Depending on the financial condition, they may join full time or part time course. Doing the job first, provides them opportunity to understand the work culture and they may know , which course will be beneficial for their career growth. They may also save some earnings, which would not effect their financial conditions, if they decide to do a full-time course. Another benefit is that after the completion of higher degree courses, companies give opportunity to those candidates, who have work experience.

    But, if one has graduated in Arts, Science or Commerce stream, then it is better to go for higher degree courses and then start earning. This would provide them higher earning opportunities. However, if the financial condition is not too good, then they may do a part-time job to become financially independent, but they should focus to complete their studies first and then search for full-time job.

    Regards,
    Madhvee

  • #623744
    This question wont apply for every one in real sense. Some students have the compulsion for going for the job right after graduation as there is pertinent demand from the parents side to have the job first so as to support the family which is in financial peril. Now a days giving education has become continuous task for the parent, no matter what may be their higher earnings, they tend to spend cautiously and more in educating their children and thus they want immediate returns on the money spent. On the other hand the child may be having dreams of having higher education and even going to foreign country to pursue greater strides in education but the family pressure wont allow. But there are companies which understands this dilemma and they would certainly support the candidate for future education while working. That could be best bet for many.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #623752
    Here comes one more crucial factor. Passion. A youngster should follow his passion. There must be a course that an individual is passionate and curious to learn.
    In the similar way he could be passionate about a job too.
    After completing graduation an individual should follow his passion .

    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #623768
    Choosing between higher education and job is a personal choice of an individual. If he is sure about where his present educational degree will land him then there is no need to pursue further education and waste number of years and money on getting higher degrees. In the coming years, if he feels that he should pursue more education then he can take a break and do the same or pursue it side by side through correspondence. These kinds of questions arise only when one is very unsure and is in a complete dilemma because of the kind of tough competition that is going out in the outside world and because of existing tough economy. If one is unsure that their graduation degree isn't enough then it is always better to complete higher education and then take a job.

    An individual before making any decision should first analyze what is going to help him in the real sense. If work experience counts in his field more than higher degrees then he should go for appointment letter. If the higher degree is going to get his foot in the door then it is better to opt for higher education. No single argument can solve this dilemma as choosing between higher studies and job depends on a number of factors and some of these factors can be favorable for some candidates whereas unfavorable for others.

  • #623769
    @Aditya Mohan: Passion is the key to success. But, first it is necessary to find the right passion. If passion can be converted to a job through which one can earn and fullfill their dreams and responsibilities, then nothing can be better than that. For that it is not necessary that one has graduated or not. But that is not true for everyone.

    According to me, making choice for higher education depends on the type of job we want to do. For example, for pursuing career in teaching, one has to be a postgraduate. Similarly, for making career in IT sector, one has to be an engineering graduate or if one has done any non- professional course, then it is better that they do any master's course in relevant field to stand in the competition.

    So, my opinion is to first make the choice of career and then decide whether to do job or complete higher education. And, whatever may benefit them, choose that, so that in future, one does not regret and say ..... "I wish I could have...."

    Regards,
    Madhvee

  • #623770
    One thing to be kept in mind and which is at the same time very important is that higher education does not always guarantee high paying jobs. There are enough struggles even after that. Higher education degree of an individual proves that he has succeeded in his academics. It no way proves that he can succeed in the real-world job too. No way has it guaranteed any success. There are enough struggles even after pursuing higher degrees. Success in job world is much more difficult than success in academics. Competing with few in class and coming out of flying colors or getting a post graduation degree cannot be compared with struggle and competition that one needs to face in retaining and succeeding in the job.

    Most of us have the mentality that once we complete our education and get the first appointment letter then our job is done. This is why stress is given to higher education as it is considered to be a doorway to grasp high paying jobs. However, this is not completely true. One can look around and see that there are so many candidates waiting for a long time to get a single job opportunity. We can even find certain individuals who have not even completed their graduation but are earning much more and have better security than those who have completed their post-graduation. It all depends on inner confidence, drive towards achieving something etc. Degrees are a medium to pursue what we want to, but success does not entirely depend on them.

  • #623772
    @Reena Upadhyay: I do agree that higher education does not guarantee high paying jobs, but it atleast gives an advantage to the candidate. Higher education helps the individual to thrive in the competition where equally talented candidates are participating.

    Higher degree enhances the chance of employment. Even though one does not get job, but it is sure to be get noticed.

    Any how, here the point of discussion is whether one should start the job after graduation or after completing higher education. And I would again say, the selection of the course in the graduation turns out to be the determining factor whether one should go for job after completion of graduation or should pursue higher education.

    I do believe that degree may not guarantee success, but it makes the life easy and it increases the opportunity to grab a better job.

    Regards,
    Madhvee

  • #623773
    @ Madhvee Chaubey
    I am not against higher education. It is just that if a person has acquired higher educational degree does not necessarily mean that he is job ready. It now depends on how he will translate his theoretical knowledge into a practical approach. If he can do it well then success is ensured. If not then even higher degrees are of no value.

    However, I would like to state advantage higher education can provide. It teaches skills theoretically. When a job is taken by the candidate, these skills can then be converted into work skills. Since theoretical knowledge is there, working becomes much easier for him when compared with those individuals who need to learn everything all together and therefore struggle, at least in the beginning phase. Another thing that candidates who choose a job over higher education need to keep in mind is that work experience which they have does not guarantee that they will be sailing smoothly in the next job they apply for. There they need to again learn something new. If opting for a higher post then things will change drastically for them and they need to learn everything all together. This is where candidates who have academic knowledge through higher degrees have an advantage.

  • #623775
    A graduate engineer can always start earning after graduation. Many Organisations are going to colleges for campus interviews and selecting top rank people for jobs in their organisations. They are starting their career with good companies. But these opportunities are limited only a few good colleges. The graduates coming out from many other colleges are suffering to get good jobs. Many of them are opting for post graduation courses. But even after their PG, their struggle for a job is not getting over. Actually after graduation, if some people are having a desire for teaching profession they can do post graduation in a good University or college. For a job in an industry, there is no any additional advantage of doing post graduation in these areas. Instead of PG., they can choose some useful certification courses or diploma courses which will give them an edge over others when the question of employment comes. Here employment has become a problem for the people who complete their degree in a normal engineering college where there are no campus interviews.
    There is no point in doing again post graduation in a similar college wherein chances are not improved. Many good private industries prefer a graduate than a postgraduate where the fieldwork is very important. So getting an engineering seat in a good college is the crucial factor for the employment.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #623782
    In my opinion, it is always better to value education as well as work experience. Those candidates who have a clear idea of who they are and what they want can choose their options wisely. Those who are finding it difficult to make a decision and are sometimes getting inclined to pursue a higher education and other times looking at their appointment letters should rather stay safe and pursue both at the same time. Though difficult, still it is a safe option. They will need to work for extra hours but soon they will value their decision.

    It is always better to have both education as well as work experience within one's grasp. Both these components complement each other. Succeeding in any field becomes easy if one has hold of both of them. The absence of even single one of them takes away the success and invites struggle in life. A job candidate when has both higher education and work experience has much better chances to excel as he is equipped with all the components and thus he can perform better in his dream job when compared with others. These candidates not only have a higher education degree but also have a good work history. This is why that initially one may find it difficult to carry out job as well as education side by side but if the difficulty is overlooked then it is a key to grasping better job.

  • #623783
    At the very beginning, I thank the author of this post for bringing forward an interesting subject for discussion. I also thank the ME for converting the topic to a GD.
    Initiating my response, I would like to state that many of us make a mistake of co-relating education with getting a job. I am of firm opinion that education and employability are two totally different subjects. Let me build my argument.
    As I am a Government employee, let me take the issue of Government recruitment examinations. Those who appear sincerely in the Government recruitment examinations (and many candidates don't appear sincerely) know very well that there are four major components of the recruitment examinations. These are: (a) General Awareness & Current Affairs, (b) Numerical Ability, (c) English Comprehension, Vocabulary & Grammar, and (d) Verbal and Pictorial Reasoning. These four tests are conducted to ensure that the selected candidates must be aware of the current happenings of the world, they possess basic calculation and arithmetical baility, to read and understand English passages and are able to write correct English, and have a logical bent of mind. In Civil Services Examinations (both at State and Central level), the selected candidates are additionally required to possess decision-making ability quickly grasping the ituation.
    For the Government recruitment in general, the candidates must be Matriculate, X+II and Graduate. For the highest level of Government services, i.e., for the Civil Services examination, the prescribed qualification is Graduation in any discipline.
    So, it is evident that for Government recruitment, there is a requirement of some qualities, which is not related to qualification.
    Similarly, for recruitment in private sector, it is checked whether the candidate has subject knowledge, or not. It is also verified whether the candidate can adjust himself/herself to the organizational environment, group dynamics and whether the candidate would be able to cope up with different working hours and working conditions.
    In the next part of my response, I will discuss whether the higher education (in India) fulfils these requirements, or not.

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  • #623788
    It all depends on the socio-economic conditions of a student as to whether he/she should take up a job right after graduation or complete higher studies in its entirety before getting employed. Graduation is the minimum basic qualification for any technical/non-technical job to get a job of the Executive level (starting level). For any Engineering graduate, the campus placements are a litmus test for grading their college a good one or otherwise and thus many of the successful candidates are finding their earning avenues through campus placements or off-campus interviews. The various competitive examinations conducted by the UPSC, SSC, RRB and Banking recruitment tests for various jobs to be filled in call for Graduates only (i.e the minimum required qualification) and those who have obtained Higher qualification won't get any preferential treatment. Even the selection for MBA seats in various premier institutes like IIM would be based on the marks obtained in the CAT/MAT/XAT examinations plus the working experience after completing the Graduation. Also, we have the Scientists who get selected after BE/B Tech through their GATE score or the examination conducted by the agencies like ISRO/DRDO/CSIR and they would be sponsored by them for undertaking their M Tech course or PhD at public expenses. Look at the Civil Services examination. Any graduate can fight for it and we have seen many people who are simple graduates with B A or B Com or B Sc degree were doing better and finding a place in the allied services like IRAS, IRS, IDES, IDAS etc., Why postgradates are not doing better? The simple reason is that the preparation for the examination and their orientation towards the examination.

    If you go by the above scenario, doesn't require to go for higher studies without exploring the feasibility of getting a good job after completing the minimum degree? It's well and good if you are interested to go for higher studies and it's your passion. But acquiring higher studies would not guarantee a respectable job you were aspiring and the competition would be more in the job world day by day. Therefore, I strongly feel it would not be hectic and there would be enough opportunities to enhance their studies after joining a job.

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #623797
    I agree with the point that higher qualification will not give you any guarantee of a job. Those two are entirely different. But there are some jobs which require higher qualification. A lecturer is required to have a post-graduation. A teacher should have degree or diploma in education. For a person who wanted to go for teaching job need not go for PG course but should go B.Ed. If you want to be a lecturer you have to go M.Tech or M.Sc.
    The question of going or not going for higher education depends on your desire and field of interest to work.
    If you want to be a district collector you need nor worry about post-graduation. But you have to put your efforts in improving your knowledge in the subject which you are selecting for your examination there. A good knowledge of those subjects is required but more than graduation no other qualification is mandatory for that.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #623798
    Today job position in our country is not comfortable and even after doing PG and PhD there is a search for a job. In fact requirement of skilled people with whatever education they have is increasing day by day and job opportunities for highly educated people are diminishing. This has brought a very puzzling situation today and the question is being raised whether we should stop at some level or go on accumulating our degrees.

    In fact if a person has completed his graduation and has acquired some skill through any technical certificate course, he should join a job if available to him as per his skill. This way he will get experience and with time he can start his own business or work.

    On the other hand just going on adding educational qualifications will not be helpful as one will not be able to join a small job afterwards thinking that one is overqualified for that.

    For enterpreneurship and innovative approach, high qualification is not required. Basic qualification with aptitude to do something new and spirit to excel is required for success in life. There are number of examples where highly qualified people remained in an average job throughout their tenure while the less qualified but enterprising people reached the peaks of success.

    So it is not necessary to pursue higher education just for sake of it without having any high goal or ambition.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #623802
    Glad to see many responses so far, thanks to ME for converting this thread into a GD.

    I think, first, we need to understand how we have managed to find ourselves in this situation. Every students mind oscillates between education,career,employment. The main reason for this is most of us have never had career guidance, we never had an aptitude test done, we never had our strengths as weaknesses assessed. There are countries where students take an year off (GAP year) just to decide what would suit them.I firmly beleive that this lack of guidance around the 12th standarad has made many of us face this quandry.

    Secondly, just imagine that we conduct a survey among people in jobs and settled. Only one question to be asked - Why did you choose your study course?. The commonest answers would, My father wanted this, my family encouraged me to do so, this degree would lead to a Government job, My friends have taken this, it looked easy compared to the other courses, many people who have done this are well settled. To me, this is nothing but 'herd mentality'. Most of us including myself have taken a course not because we had the aptitude or we studied the Job market, it was just because someone felt it would suit us.

    To choose either option or do it in parellel, the student and their family have to invest some valuable time and seek career guidance too. What is the family background in terms of level of education, financial stability, how soon does the student wants to be independent. What is his or her strongholds in terms of subjects and skill. What are the drawbacks,dreams and desires. Only then we would have a rough idea of the want, the desire and the best successful option.

    For instance, a guy with an aptitude for numbers and computers cannot go on to become a doctor just because his/her father/mother/siblings have become a doctor. The same person in the current scenario also cannot go into completing his education fully (B.Tech, M.Tech,MCA and an MS) and then to become a software engineer because of the valuable time that would be lost in an already shrinking software profession.T his scenario gives an indication of the importance of talent, core strength and its relevance to the current job market. He should be smart enough to quickly complete the basic degree, be ready to move out and work anywhere, have some relevant computer language courses, get into an apprentice program, then a job and then pursue his PG education. The he would have age on his side and a basic job in hand. He can build on it.

    So, there are many factors that would decide on what option to go for and what is applicable to A, may not be suited for B and what suits A & B may be totally irrelevant for C. Unfortunately, this is want we have been doing for quite sometime in India.

  • #623803
    @Dr. Rao, @Jagdish Patro @Umesh @ Partha: Here the topic of discussion is whether a person should pursue post-graduation first or should join a job and not whether a postgraduate is necessary or not.

    So, my point of view is that doing post-graduation course or a job depends on person to person. It is person's priority whether they first want to become financially stable and then fulfill their dream of pursuing post-graduation degree or first complete post-graduation course and then start a career.

    Regards,
    Madhvee

  • #623810
    #623783@ Partha, your response is in line with what I would call a clever assessment by a smart candidate; for many government jobs, the basic is a 55% and above graduation with core skills like reasoning, current affairs, and language. So, if someone is aiming for a Government job, there is no point in going up to Ph.D. and then apply.

    Similarly, if one wants to become a teacher in the government sector, he or she should get into a basic graduation course and the see if they can get enroll for a B.Ed quickly in the distance mode, and then join as a substitute teacher while preparing for the TGT teacher exams.

  • #623818
    Whether to pursue further studies after graduation or to join the job and pursue the studies afterwards is mainly dependent on the individual and his financial background. It is already mentioned that if somebody wants to go for a teacher he has to go for teacher training for becoming a teacher. If somebody wants to become a lecturer he has to do postgraduation. If somebody wants to go for a job in government sector like clerks etc., wherein the only graduation is required he can try with graduation itself. So the necessity of the qualification for an individual depends on his desire of profession he wants to take up. This point is very clear and, mentioned clearly by many authors also. Once you are settled in a job if you want to improve your qualifications based on the requirement and experience you can do that. But if somebody wants to improve his knowledge by studying a particular subject first and later think of employment that will be the choice of the individual. Education is different and earning is different. It is not essential to interlink the both for all purposes.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #623819
    @Madhvee Chaubey,

    There are no specific jobs meant for Post-Graduates except a Lecturer for a direct recruitment. The Management Trainee in a PSU or a Probationary Officer in a Bank or even an IAS officer would be appointed through their respective recruitment process based on their Graduation only. As such where is the requirement of going for a Post-graduate course out of compulsion? If you are putting efforts into settling in a job while pursuing PG parallelly as many of the students do, there is nothing wrong with it. However, he would be living in a fool's paradise, if someone thinks, "Let me do PG first and later try for a job". This would lead to unnecessary pressure in search of a job after completing PG and some more time would be consumed for preparation of examinations and taking coaching classes etc. One should think practically as the result of competitive examinations today are not based on our performance and the number of people who have better performed than us.

    As you said, it depends on individual's perspective, if someone prefers to do PG, it's their wish and we are nothing to do with it. But trying for a job after PG would require little more efforts than securing a job after graduation.

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #623828
    For most of us, pursuing higher education means bringing a security and stability in our lives. However, it may or may not be the case. If we look into the positive side then the candidate who pursues it need not look for different alternatives. He knows, he is going to make it. Without higher degrees if a person lands into the job and if he does not deliver well or is not able to cope up with the pressure or else if he thinks of switching to next job then he will find everything very frustrating and might even regret that he did not go for higher studies.

  • #623835
    Rightly said by many other members. Higher education doesn't always fetch higher salaries.

    I think we must'nt lose sight of the importance of jobs. A senior lecturer in my college advised us like this- " Jobs are difficult to obtain nowadays. Make sure you get placed in campus interviews. The reason behind campus interviews is to cut down the competition outside. For an instance, there are 14700 chemical engineers in India. They will all be aiming for the top companies and the top nine oil industries. Because rest of the industries pay very less in comparison. Now imagine. Can you withstand such competitors. Out there, are BITS, NIT , IIT and many other top institutions giving their best to their students.
    Why would those top notch companies hire you ?"

    His words weren't spoken with the desire to discourage us, but to hit us with harsh reality.
    He was right. Getting a job outside the campus after graduating is tedious and unfruitful.
    Campus interviews bring us low-pay companies, but atleast we're getting placed. We don't have to search for jobs on roads and appear for a thousand conpetivitive exams.

    Get a job. Then follow your education and passion.

    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #623843
    @Reena,
    It seems you are confused. On one hand you were saying better to opt for job after graduation while your lines # 623828-"Without higher degrees if a person lands into the job and if he does not deliver well or is not able to cope up with the pressure or else if he thinks of switching to next job then he will find everything very frustrating and might even regret that he did not go for higher studies", clearly indicate the state of confusion.

    There are so many cases where students would be doing their Engineering in Civil or Mechanical while they shfit to Software profession by virtue of the perks they receive through campus placements. How many of them prefer jobs related to the Core subject they learnt in their graduation? You can get only a handful of people while the job avenues in Software side make them more lucrative. Just compare an Engineering graduate who gets placement after his degree and his friend who opts for M Tech through GATE score. The former would gain three years working experience and would be in the process of shifting to another job which would be more beneficial while the latter would be completing his M Tech course in two years and has to prepare for an xam to become a Lecturer or would be in the process of job trial or may be trying to go for PhD. This scenario would be common everywhere.

    It may be different for those who opt for higher study in a Foreign University and the exchequer on this behalf for the parents would be quite more. All students can't afford and higher studies in such scenario only would help .

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #623858
    @ Aditya,
    Highly paying companies will also conduct . Campus interviews. But they will go to very good colleges and University campuses only. My elder son got placement in IBM through campus interview and IBM is a good paying MNC. Similarly my second son got placement in TCS through campus interview and TCS is also a good payment master. My sister's son got employment through campus interview after his chemical engineering graduation in a government undertaking. Getting a job is always better to through campus placement.
    While in graduation we should seriously try to get a job through campus interviews. Later on we can think about changing the company with experience and improving the qualificaation.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #623865
    I feel it purely depends on an individual's ability. I would personally prefer to work and then continue my higher education along with it. There are many night or evening classes available, many online tutorial sites etc which comes forward to help those students who would love to continue their education along with their career. But if you are the kind of person who can't handle both together, then better complete studies and then choose your career.

    The main advantages of starting up an early career is that
    1. We get practical knowledge apart from the knowledge imparted by text books. We can better understand the topics and learn well if we are employed in a career which is related to our field of study.

    2. Experience is another greatest achievement of starting career along with studies. By the time you complete your higher studies, you will have 1-2 years experience which will help you fetch a better job and pay. But that is not the case with a fresher.

    3. As your qualifications are more you will be reluctant to take up beginners jobs. But as you do not have experience you will have to start from scratch, which affects your ego. But when you have not done your higher education, you will be ready to choose up jobs, which gains you experience.

    Regards
    Chitra
    "Do not give up, things might not favour you always"

  • #623866
    Continuing my response, I reiterate that the qualities sought by the Government recruiting agencies or private organizations are not being taught within the four walls of the classroom. These qualities are required to be honed over the years with conscious and continuous efforts. So, in my opinion, higher education must not be equated with employability, especially in Government sector when the job profile is generalistic in nature.

    Now, let us discuss higher education. What is higher education? In my opinion, higher education enables a student to acquire specialized knowledge on a particular branch of study. For example, a PhD in Chemistry and an M. Phil in Political Science would have extensive knowledge on the topic of research. Such students can excel in teaching, lectureship or in such work where their specialized knowledge can be utilized. But the higher education does not enable those students to be successful in general nature of Government sector. Even in private sector, where specialized knowledge is necessary, with the passage of time, adaptability with the work environment, group dynamics, and possession of various soft skills are found to be more important for achieving success in career.

    @Mr. Natarjan: I have so far received five job offers in Government, and I prepared for Government jobs on my own without any help from anybody or any coaching institution. From the very first recruitment examination in which I appeared, I understood very well that there is no relationship with my degree education and the recruitment examination. Later I gave coaching to many candidates for Government jobs, and my view as mentioned in my previous response has grown stronger.

    @Ms. Madhvee Chaubey: I have more or less understood the topic of the GD and I am trying to develop my argument in my own way. Kindly read all my subsequent responses.

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  • #623869
    Working after graduation as others mentioned will yield you working experience, money, exposure to industries and makes you confident.

    You can pursue the higher studies after a few years of work and with your own money.
    Few institutions do ask for a minimum experience before giving admissions for MS.

    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #623877
    Firstly As far as considering a job option over higher education after graduation or vice versa depends on much to the financial condition of a candidate.
    Secondly, it depends on the choice and interest of the candidate if he/she wants to pursue higher studies or not.
    But in both the condition still most suited option I think is to get a job after a graduation if a student can get a well-paying job and then think about higher education because even Higher education doesn't ensure job security or a satisfactory job.
    If someone has a firm belief that higher education will yield good results for him/her than only one should go for it otherwise it will not only be waste of money but also time and both these thing are very precious in this fast-moving world.
    Because if someone even after getting higher education and degree still preparing for the same job which he/she could get even with a graduate level degree than its total waste of time and money.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #623880
    I fully agree with what Madhvee said, it all depends upon one person's needs as if they want to opt for the job after graduation or want to go for higher education.
    Although it is one's choice and they must go for their passion, but all of us does not fit the same criteria. Everyone does not look for putting in so much of efforts to study PG, Ph.D. and so on.
    Another thing is everyone does not have enough financial stability to study more. Especially where the parents are dependent on a child. The only option they could get is to do their graduation and then find a better job to sustain their family.

    Do what inspires you !!

  • #623884
    Some people just keep on studying and afterwards they start searching for a job, it is possible that they won't get a job according to their interest. Age is also a criteria. By the age of 35 we should be in a good position. Hence I feel it is better to start the career life early. Higher education doesn't necessarily promise you a better job, but experience might help you get promotions.
    Regards
    Chitra
    "Do not give up, things might not favour you always"

  • #623887
    @ Aditya, I would agree with you, campus interviews are much more civilized when compared to the actual interviews in the real world. So, with limited competition, if one has a decent score, he or she can get hired, starting working and then plan further education. By the time they get settled down, time flies and it would time to complete the PG education and hopefully, their career graph starts to take off.

  • #623897
    So, here's the plan. Anyhow, in future I might pursue higher studies. So I'll appear for GATE.
    Then I'll get a job through campus interview before my scores are released. I might have to work for two years there and its not a problem because GATE scores are valid for 3 years.
    After two years with sufficient money and experience I'll try for a government job with my GATE score because by now I don't want to pursue higher education.
    This will give me a better edge than other candidates.

    Well that's my plan. And if my GATE score turns out bad too, I would have no regrets.
    Because I have a job in hand.
    The idea isn't restricted for GATE alone. GRE, CAT scores Etc. .; are nowadays being considered in companies.
    So, appear for an entrance exam but use it's influence to gain a job rather than a post graduation.
    You can complete your post graduation years later. And if you did succeed in getting a government job, I see no reason to go behind higher education as long as you're utterly passionate about it.

    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #623899
    Continuing my debate from where I've left, I am setting out to say why one option would not suit or suit everyone and why we should move away from the herd mentality,

    In the decision for a career or higher studies, the chosen filed becomes more important than other factors. Any filed that needs hands-on training, physical presence and practical classes on a regular basis would dictate that finish higher studies before resuming full-time employment.

    For instance, if one wants to become a Surgeon or ENT specialist or Respiratory specialist, the doctor just cannot join work after MBBS and do these courses on a correspondence basis. These studies are demanding and online is not feasible. In such situations, the students will have to plan their studies very well so that the complete their MBBS, prepare hard for the entrance exams for PG studies from final year and their internship year, get into a course of their choice (MS surgery, MS-ENT surgery, MD-medicine/respiratory medicine) and then look for a full-time job.

    Some careers are unique, students wants to be prepared for a job overseas, they need an excellent CV with relevant qualifications and experience before getting decent employment. For instance, if one needs to become an expert in genetics (NOT a doctor), there is little point in planning for it if they have to work immediately after UG as this career needs a few degrees under the belt for the career to take off well.

    Once doing a B.Sc or B.Tech with genetics, they have to choose to do their M.Sc or MTech that too in a reputed university or International center of excellence. This is important because genetic engineering needs good teaching, mentorship in the lab and an observership or apprenticeship in a world-class research facility before getting a good paying job.

    Although sounds time consuming and expensive, this is the way to progress if one chooses a niche field because an average UG earns to become a genetic project assistant for years, whereas premier university qualifications and internships fetch well paying top jobs that enable them to become an expert soon.

    So, the decision of what to do after UG again depends on the candidate, the family/financial background, age and urgency to start earning and importantly, the chosen field of career.

  • #623901
    #623866@Partha
    This is exactly what I meant by being a clever student. You have realized very early that education at UG is not relevant to recruitment examination and you had the aptitude and skills to prepare yourself once you knew the format.

    But for doctors, the entrance exams for PG or a selection exams for a Government job is based on the subject and hence they need to focus on the degree subjects first and then also on the pattern(not subject) exams. Hence, many doctors waste time being a duty doctor for a few years before they can get into a PG and finally settling down.

  • #623902
    @ Jagdish Patro
    I am not confused. I was stating advantages and disadvantages from both the sides. I have clearly mentioned in my earlier post that it is better to value education as well as job. Please refer @623782

  • #623903
    Important point like innovative approach (@Umesh) and passion (@Aditya) go hand in hand as far studies and career goes. One needs to be passionate about their chosen field, only then they would be innovative enough to do things differently or become a game-changing entrepreneur rather than just be another employee.

    Take for instance, a novice videographer who has done a basic UG in media studies, if he has the passion and think innovatively, the can change the range of traditional services by including, custom-made function photography, drone photography, honeymoon photography (yes,it is a niche area now) and using his network of contacts to get a government or a corporate contact for covering regular events of a PSU or company.

    With his passion for photography, he can also start taking classes for newcomers and then move on to being part of an event management group. If he maintains the same zeal, he can quickly get into the new concept of webinars ( a combination of the traditional seminar but the audience being scattered around the world). He just needs the basic kits, internet access and send links via the host group and cover the events.

    So, I have given an example of how a person with just a UG degree but with passion and innovative thinking move one from an average videographer to running a his own brand and unit more successfully.

  • #623910
    Well, here is the young lad by name Aditya who has spelt out his mind and I am sure his views are the true reflection of the many youngsters today. Perhaps, the thinking of every member of a middle class /upper-middle-class family would be like this and majority of the people in this country belong to this category only. Passion and settlement in life can't go hand in hand with passion alone can't deliver the end result. For example, we are passionate towards ISC and you can't depend on the earnings from your contribution in ISC alone. Same is the case with videography as mentioned above by Mr.Natarajan. Bluntly speaking, a man who is hungry can't enjoy the taste of food while the one with full stomach would search for a tasty food. Any graduate from any discipline would be thinking of securing job first and later wants to enhance his knowledge by acquiring a higher qualification.
    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #623912
    I fully agree with the views expressed by Jagdish. A hungry man will look for food but not for taste. Once he is satisfied then think of quality food and tasty food. The same way, first of all, one should see that the kitchen will be running. The stove should be working in the kitchen. So these days as expressed by Aditya after acquiring the minimum qualification the hunt for the job will go on and once got a job and settled in that, everybody will start about the good company, higher perks and higher qualifications and the same is the correct path basing on the present day scenario. The minimum qualification may be different from one line to another. This will be the choice of the individual.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #623928
    #623910 @Mr.Jagdish, you are endorsing my point. yes passion along cannot help one to settle. the scenario of the videographer reflects passion and the zeal to succeed and more important, a person being smart and using all opportunities. This is based on a person who comes for our regular healthcare seminars/conferences. He started small with nothing much in terms of qualifications but has been very resourceful. He's never gone for any PGs.

  • #623929
    Mr.Jagdish @623910, has also bought out a valid point about thinking vs class (upper/ middle/lower class) of families about education and employment. If one were to common from a lower socio-ecnomic class, PG/PhD may not appeal much as long a UG gives his or her a chance to earn their living. For people who cannot afford the fees etc, PG becomes a burden. Most would be forced to start off their UGs, complete it with scholarships or loans.The they would Start any job, get some footing in the sector and stabilize. A few would still dream of a PG qualification and if they can afford, they take it on after a few years.

  • #623946
    In my previous two responses, I have tried to prove that what is learnt by us within the four wall of colleges/universities are not relevant for recruitment. The recruiters, both in private sector and in the Government sector, seek some qualities/values which are required to be honed since childhood. In institutes of higher education, the students go through the prescribed syllabus only. The more a student study, the more specialized his knowledge becomes.

    But the problem is many students feel that they are eligible for appointment for any type of jobs if he/she acquires higher degrees. This is not true. But because of this false belief, we see many PhDs, M.Phils, MBAs, Engineers and Post-Graduates apply for those jobs, for which they don't have any aptitude. First, they waste years after years for acquiring degrees (I am not sure about knowledge), then when they don't get any employment by virtue of their degrees, they start applying for lower level posts. When they don't get even lower level posts, they start blaming the Government.

    So, what is the solution to this problem? In my opinion, it is our duty to raise consciousness. I always try to impress upon young people whom I met. I always tell them acquiring higher degrees does not ensure selection for jobs. Getting recruited need possession of certain values and qualities. Students must understand this. They should introspect. They must understand their areas of interest and financial condition. Thereafter, they should choose either higher education, or try for getting recruited.

    Non-violence is the greatest Dharma; So too is all righteous violence.

  • #623951
    Continuing my discussion on education or employment. Is the current dilemma related to our greed of changing education into a big commercial venture?.

    The Education industry is also to be blamed. If we look at the number of colleges and the various courses they offer, I sometimes feel that the value of the degrees and the colleges are to be seriously questioned as it look like a well oiled money making racket.

    In Karnataka,there were around 192 engineering colleges( in 2015) and last year 37% of the engineering seats were vacant, unfilled. Karnataka also has around 56 medical colleges churning out around 8750 doctors a year. A similar trend may be found in various states with other branches of education. There are hundreds of private 'deemed universities' and it is a shame that UGC has to name and shame so colleges as 'NOT' recognized. This shows nothing but greed of few influential people who with the backing of the official machinery start college after college.

    Have we made a blunder in allowing some many colleges to mushroom up at a rapid pace?. Have we mointored the quality of the teaching staff, have we assessed whether the students enrolled are the right candidates. Is the skills and knowledge gained by these students of quality.

    With so many private colleges portraying their degrees as the best with multiple endorsements, recognition and tie ups with other universities, are they actually painting a rosy picture about PG ? and luring the graduates with a possibility a high pay packet after PG rather than just allowing them to go down the path of employment with a UG degree only.

    Now, many banks give educational loans that are good, but some parents and students tend to go for PG education with the availability of easy money. On the other hand if this was difficult, many would settle down with work after UG itself.

    So, I strongly believe, the false portrayal of the huge intended benefits of PG education and lack of stringent Government regulations has led to many UGs choose the option of further PG degrees.

  • #623957
    i feel, it is always better to grab the job opportunity once graduation is complete. Do the job for 6 - 9 months and you will get a experience of job and life at corporate life. The person is now able to judge whether he or she continue to do the job or switch back to higher study. If one is not enjoying the job, he or she can appear for competitive examination and choose for higher study.

    In engineering, it is not possible to do master degree with job because almost no institutes provide the part time study in masters. Thus, it is always advisable to pursue higher study after doing job for a year or less.

    Paresh B. Gujarati.
    Mechanical Engineer.
    'I'mprovement always begins with 'I'.

  • #623959
    The education system is well designed and many foreign countries appreciate the Indian style of education and former US President Obama was the one who openly praised us. But the problem lies with our line of thinking. Many of the Engineers we have today are by virtue of pampering or compulsion. Every parent wants his son or daughter to become an Engineer because a seat secured in an Engineering College ensures job through campus placement (if they secure the seat in a reputed Engineering college) or off-campus recruitments. Those who miss the bus for Engineering would go for B Sc/B Com/BA and their next option would be to secure a seat in BEd course. The reason would be they can get a Government job based on graduation through competitive examination, otherwise, they would prefer Teaching profession in a Private school or Govt. school. This is what exactly happening in many parts of the country today.

    The question of pursuing Higher education comes only when a family is well settled, they need not wait for the earnings of the boy or girl. This happens in an average Indian family even today.

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #623987
    A couple fo thoughts crossed my mind which I feel is relevant to this discussion. We all have heard about 'a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.'

    Given, the competitive job market, the various number of graduates and postgraduates viving for a job, it would be worthwhile for graduate to get into a job at the earliest and then based on the circumstances, they can pursue post graduation. Although the pay packet would be less, this would give something real in hand rather than dreaming of a hefty salary and going on the many PG degrees.

    The second point is pertaining to the medical profession, you might have seen names of specialists with multiple degrees, fellowships etc mentioned on their calling card or letterhead after MBBS. Basically, after UG (MBBS), many doctors would have at least 5-6 PG degrees/fellowships mentioned. This genuinely reflects on the knowledge but not necessarily the skills or experience. But many patients are impressed by the string of degrees.

    Can the potential marketability (healthcare and other fields) of PG degrees be a factor forcing students to go for PG degrees?

  • #623989
    I am entering the GD at a junction when there is already about 45 or more responses and counter posts. However I had gone through all those views and happy to say participants are trying to make the GD well debated.
    The GD topic is a very relevant one and the subject is always a confusing one in the minds of students and parents in the present day. My appreciation to Natarajan and Managing Editor in selecting a good topic for discussion.

    My one line statement on which side of the GD topic I am is that:

    My view is that one should opt for a career as early as possible without much prolonging education.

  • #623993
    Well...You need to pursue higher education only when you don't know how to properly sell your talent. Interviews emphasise on your talent than your marks or qualifications.

    And I see that most members here agree that jobs are paramount. But what about business?
    What if an individual concerns himself with business and neither of the options?

    I would like to start a business myself after graduation. Not all business need high capital investments and degree of an MBA. I can start a retail. Engineers and medical students are taught the basics of business and management in early levels. So we both are pretty much prepared for this.

    That is what I mean by saying that we are not selling ourselves well. We need to identify and explore ourselves to sell ourselves efficiently and enjoy a nice life later.

    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #623994
    I have stated my view from my own experience and taking the practicality of the matter in its various forms and dimensions.

    The first point we have to base is what is 'Higher education"? In the early days 'fourth form or sixth form' was a reasonably high qualification and sufficient for a steady job. Then SSC/SSLC became the mean basic requirement for a clerical or administrative job. For the 'work' jobs it was mostly family traditional experience and acquired practical knowledge first, and then the ITIs and workshop training.

    Slowly the number of colleges and universities increased and supply created demands. However most of them conducted were just arts and basic science graduation courses. Post Graduation courses were also very less.

    As the cost of education beyond school level was high and not all could afford it, people restricted their education to Secondary level, Higher secondary level(pre-university) and graduate level. It was a sort of tapering up sequence. At that time most of the jobs asked for higher secondary or graduation only. The mass recruitment were done in that segment only. Once in the job, the career growth was by in house training and specialisation by practice. The professional academic courses were also restricted to Engineering and Medicine related fields and that to mostly in the graduate level only. They fetched job also.

    The whole scene got suddenly changed after the opening up of the It sector an management fields from the nineties. As these areas became the sunrise sectors, the payment was very high and there was need for higher educated and specially trained people. This lured students to take up highereducation inIT related courses and also pursue Post Graduate courses in the same fields or in management to get the double bounty of salary and status.
    This was hastened by the sudden ballooning of self financing colleges offering courses in every conceivable name and subject. There came a psychological fixation which looked down on even graduation degree. Anything above the three year or four year graduation only was given dignity by students themselves. Unnecessary importance was given to 'Higher education'.

    The confusion of, career first or higher education first, started from there.

  • #623995
    @ Venkiteswaran sir. Glad to hear from you. In a nutshell you have stated your view. The key phrase in your one thoughtful liner is 'as soon as possible' which would be dedicated by all the key factors that the members have been discussing ( age, financial background, specialty, aptitude, availability).

  • #623997
    Before going for further elaboration of my views, let me quickly review the major view points of other participants.
    It is KVRR made his stand clear and batted for higher education first before career. I respect the stand though I may have to contest it for the GD in due course. His stand is going with the general stand of present day students and parents that at least they have to complete post graduation. My counter to this is already there in my previous post where I explained how this mentality began.

    Madhvee Chaubey(#623730) has opened her discussion in a very convincing manner. My appreciation is not because our views almost concur, but because she has introduced her views concisely in the opening lines itself without causing any doubt.

    Reena Upadhyaya, though started slightly vacillating at stat, later put logic and to some extent factual support to her view saying that 'higher education does not always guarantee high paying jobs'. That gives an idea which side she bats for.

    Dr N V Srinivasa Rao scores a point when he says that in higher education or lower education, the institution is important. To a great extent it is true..
    I would use the same point to support my view that as it is more crucial in higher education that it is better to enter into a career rather than reducing chances further couple of years by obtaining a namesake higher degree, just for the sake of it.

  • #623999
    Partha Kansabanik has done right to tell that employability and education are different and cannot be correlated one-to-one. I would be happy to agree with him, but have to take a stand just for the GD at least.

    Whille Chitra and Umesh also support taking up a job after graduation, Mohan and Jagdish and Pooja leave it to personal choices of students rather than taking a one side stand.. I also would have done so, because it is not what we discuss here that is followed by the students ; but then, the GD will not serve its purpose.

    Aditya Mohan, one whose involvement in this discussion is a benefit being a student, is not at all confused as he has definite plans for higher education.

    Before concluding this post, I appreciate Paresh Gujarati for putting his views crisply, without mincing words. It has some resonance with my views too.

  • #624004
    Higher education will not guarantee you the job. Also, if a person wants to pursue higher studies, they will always opt for it. Howsoever one could give them advice, what interests one person cannot be changed. So, it will always depend upon the perception of the individual.
    While for those, who prefer job after their undergraduate course will go for it, nobody can count the thought of taking either favor or going against this debate.
    Various other reasons that are the demerits of higher education is, suppose you did B. Tech or B.E from an average engineering college. Later you think of pursuing GATE examinations and think of getting a very good score and an institute like IIT. Even that requires a very good percentile, not less than 98 percent. In this kind of competitive period, it is not easy for everyone to clear those exams. Even after a good amount of hard work, you are left with one or two percentile, to clear those exams. The other options you are left with then becoming a lecturer even after pursuing Masters. But people who are keen to reach that level will keep on trying and mind it if they do not have financial issues much and no further responsibilities.
    If you are filled up with responsibilities, the only thought that could get into one's mind is a job. A job that could fulfill their needs and help their family. Once a person gets a job, they find it hard to get into higher studies again.
    So, this completely depends upon one's choice and their needs. This is the fact and the truth of life.

    Do what inspires you !!

  • #624015
    In our country, the best option for a student is to simultaneously prepare himself/herself to grab any good opportunity he/she grabs first depending on his/her aptitudes opportunities arrives.
    Because in our country job is not at all about going in a direction of our interests but getting it to fulfill various responsibilities and getting self-dependent. If we do a survey on youngsters we will find out how many of them are studying in a direction where their real interest is, and numbers will give us answers so if it is all about just job seeking why not do it as early as we get it because age once gone doesn't return.

    So if one gets a well-paying job which also gives him/her time for studies after the graduation he/she should definitely join it because higher education never guarantees both these things but the former can help one to achieve higher education simultaneously.
    There have been many examples of leading personalities who with a job in their hand perused higher studies.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #624026
    There are three things that an umder graduate can do:
    Job hunt, upper graduation or starting a business.
    You would be losing a minimum of two years when you go for higher studies. But does the world wait for you? While you were away for your studies, world would be extremely changed. The requirements of jobs would be too. Then in such case, you would have just loitered these two years.
    That's a huge risk. You sure are to get some job or other because of your degree but it might not be your dream job because of the requirements you cannot fulfil.

    You should consider business then, if you're tired of job hunt.

    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #624028
    @Venkiteswaran sir,
    My stand is clear vide my initial response #623788 where in the concluding line I said that it is always ideal to opt for a job after finishing graduation and later try to enhance the knowledge by means of going for higher education though I kick-started my debate saying it all depends on one's personal choice.

    As personal choice plays a vital role whether to go for a job or to continue for higher studies and it doesn't matter whether the financial status of your family suits or not. In my own case, I rejected the offer of appointment as a Clerk in the Ministry of External Affairs through Staff Selection Commission which I could have joined immediately after writing the B Sc Final examination. I was either reluctant to take up teaching profession by pursuing B Ed as my father and sister were already in the profession. Instead, I determined to join in a M Sc course and my poor parents got convinced in spite of their economic status. Doing M Sc in a university in those days (i.e till the early nineties) was like pursuing Engineering in a Premier Institute these days.

    But my decision proved to be a costlier mistake and I had to struggle to settle in life and at one stage I appeared to be direction less. While my brother who completed his B Com got satisfied with his degree and moved to Hyderabad and joined in a private company. He did his M Com privately and later finished his MBA and he too got settled well. What I mean to say here is that we may be ambitious and can dream many but we should move with practical line of thinking. As Mr. Natarajan has mentioned above, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush, we should not ignore an opportunity which was available for us whether a campus placement or a selection in a competitive examination. We should grab it and work for furtherance in our career just as the simple Commerce graduate did in his life.

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #624034
    In this part of my response, let me discuss the solution. As I have established that employability and higher education are not co-related, the students while doing Graduation have to take a conscious decision about their ability, inclination towards specialized education and financial condition. Based on these three factors, they will have to decide what they will do after Graduation. Those who feel that they are inclined towards higher education and their families would be able to sustain them for at least 5-7 years after Graduation, should go for higher studies. Those who think that they are not inclined towards higher education and their family would not be able to sustain them, must prepare for competitive examination or jobs in private sector.

    Let me cite my own example. In Xth and XIIth standards, my results were excellent. Despite my inclination towards English/Bengali/History, due to the socio-economic conditions prevailing at that time, I took admission in B.Sc. with Mathematics. But considering the financial condition of my family, I started preparing (on my own) for competitive examination. I appeared my first competitive examination just after completion of my Graduation and got the offer of appointment just when I completed my M.Sc. Ist Year examination. I accepted the offer and went for training. Later I appeared and cleared my M.Sc.-2nd-year examination. Later, I changed one after another job (all in Central Government) and finally landed to Delhi as a Central Secretariat Officer. Later, with a much more secure financial condition, I resumed study of my favourite subjects both formally and informally.

    But why did I do this? The reasons are that I understood the financial condition of my family and that I don't have much interest in higher Mathematics. I have resumed my study of my favourite subjects much later without any materialistic expectation.

    I feel all students must introspect similarly while doing Graduation.

    Non-violence is the greatest Dharma; So too is all righteous violence.

  • #624035
    I think we need to highlight an indirect factor that very much influences students and their parents on PG education or employment, It is the marketing technique of Education by the Institutions.

    Just yesterday I read in the papers about a study in Ireland fair to be held in Bangalore on Feb 18th (http://educationirelandevents.com/). If people are familiar with these countries, the economy of Ireland is in troubled waters.

    Royal colleges of England that were one of the most prestigious colleges to have a degree from have now opened their own exam centers in India and market their degrees very well. This was never heard of a few years ago (during my student days) when the affordability of the middle class in India was not great and education loans were unheard off. The educational institutions from countries that some are obsessed promote their activities to keep up their revenue.

    People have a fancy for MBA degrees especially overseas one. For instance, this college from Switzerland gives MBA with just online credits and time. If you choose this, you can get an MBA with around 600 US dollars only!(http://www.mba-institute.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions_International_MBA_Institute.php). It gives you 10 attempts. Imagine, an UG student who wants one more degree desperately, he would fall into a trap and then realize that the piece of paper he got it online is not worth the money he spent. There are many 3 months and 6 month programs at least in healthcare, that entices many students to focus on the short-term ones and later find that they are back to square one and sadly lost valuable time also.

    A hotel management course has ridiculously high fees because it has as 3 month 'golden opportunity'to work in the best hotel chains in the world that is claimed to improve job prospectus. Just imagine, which parent would not want to believe this and wish it happens to their children. They spend all their savings and take loans when this is not necessary at all.

    I personally feel that such aggressive marketing with half truths need to be regulated by the Education industry on moral grounds or the Government at least, so that the students and families get real information and then decide themselves.

  • #624043
    A job is the best option for a person who wants to settle early in life. They can try any good post after graduation and once they got a job they can think of their marriage family, so on and so forth. But some people will have a desire for higher studies. Just like Mr Jagadiah, after My B.Sc., I wanted to pursue my post graduation. My mother and grandfather supported me.My father wanted me to go for B.Ed. Somehow I convinced him and joined in Andhra University for M.Sc. As soon as I completed my M.Sc, I got CSIR fellowship which was more than a B.Ed salary those days. With that fellowship, I could complete my PhD without any additional financial support from my family and I supported my sisters and brothers in pursuing their further studies. Then I got good jobs and I have a very satisfying career having exposure to both academics and Industry also. I supported my family well and all my brothers and sisters settled well even though my father was a low salaried employee in a private company. So my decision of going for further studies proved correct and today we are a happy family.
    So how you choose your path is entirely a personal issue, but these days I agree with the statement that it is better to get into a career as early as possible.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #624064
    Now let me indicate my observations about the students pursuing higher education. Let me first clarify that for the present purpose, higher education is taken as Post-Graduation or higher degrees. I have already stated that in higher classes, the students get engaged in extremely specialized knowledge. As a result, they tend to forget basic knowledge in respect of other subjects.

    When I had been appearing in NET in International Relations, I was astonished to find that many brilliant students of the subject studying/just completed Post-Graduation from the most prestigious universities could not clear NET. Reason? They could not pass the first paper which is of general nature and includes Mathematics, English comprehension, Reasoning, General Awareness and Basic Computer. As those students could not qualify the first paper, their second paper and third paper (based on the subject, i.e., International Relations) were not even checked.

    The above example amply proves that the majority of students of higher classes forget basic knowledge of other subjects, and, as a result, the recruiters don't find them suitable for jobs of general nature. But those students think that they will get Government jobs at the lower level by virtue of their higher degrees. As a result, when they don't get jobs in their specialized fields, they apply for lower level Government and private jobs. When they don't find their names on the list of successful candidates, they become very bitter and start criticizing the recruiters including the Government.

    Non-violence is the greatest Dharma; So too is all righteous violence.

  • #624070
    As the GD comes to an end within few hours, I would like to justify my stand with a live example. My two nephews (elder sister's sons) have settled well, the elder one with higher qualification and the younger with Graduation just a couple of years ago. The elder one did his B Tech (Biotechnology) at IIT Chennai through JEE. He was not happy with the package offered and continued his M Tech in IIT Chennai. Later, he joined an MNC at Bangalore served for two years and got IIM Lucknow to pursue MBA. His ambition was to do at IIM Ahmedabad/Bangalore but failed to make it and hence preferred to do MBA at Indian School of Business Hyderabad. He did his project work in Switzerland and now serving with Oyo at New Delhi. While the younger one made a good score in EAMCET and did his B Tech in Chemical Engineering from AU College of Engineering and got a very good score in GATE. Based on GATE score, he got an interview from ISRO and now he is a Scientist D.

    The tale of two brothers is a concrete example for both the cases and patience and hard work pays rich dividend while the younger one's decision to grab the opportunity when it knocked the door was quite wise.

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #624072
    With this excellent debate drawing to a close, the last few lines of mine.

    Today's students and their families have to choose wisely about PG education based on the time and resources (money) in hand and also the impact of the time spent in actually completing the PG education and starting their jobs. In the current scenario students with UG, Diplomas, PG or PhD degrees are all hunting for jobs. The only major advantage that graduates have is age on their side. Age is often underestimated but it gives an unique advantage of working for longer ours, being flexible with the work load, range of jobs given and the ability to mold themselves before age and higher degrees makes one rigid in terms of thinking and blending into a team.

    No job is too small or an embarrassment as long along one doesn't need to compromise on their integrity and moral values. I feel one should plan in the 12th year of education itself as to how to approach their career and the further studies. I feel making the start with a job is the first stone to success and it gives the invaluable opportunity to filling in the post qualification experience column and shortens the time spent in unemployment. As one settles in the job, gets the hang of the family responsibilities, they can then plan to enhance their skill and knowledge by choosing a 'PG RELEVANT to their line' of employment that would lead to a promotion or a better job rather than another certificate in the CV.Such students should nurture their zeal and enthusiasm for PG studies and not lose interest once a job is found.

    Of course, not all career options can stop with a graduation only, there are service sectors wehrein a PG is mandatory. Here the students should be even more careful and always be aware that they would loose another 2-4 years of time before they can even apply for a job. Hence the should be doubly sure to spend the minim time from completion of graduation to completion of PG and getting employment.Here the years spent in PG should also use to add weightage to CV by working on projects, working out of hours under a respected peer, a summer internship in a reputed company, such things gives an edge over other fresh PGs.

    Few students from well to do families have global access in terms of resources and choice of universities. Such studnets can pursue their PG is world renowed centers and then be read for the elite jobs high up the ladder.

    Whatever one chooses, I would reiterate that, it is wise to remember that neither employment alone, PG before a job or employment and PG education in parallel would be applicable to all. Hence, instead of blindly opting for a PG akin to herd mentality ( MS computer science, MBA PhD) or dreaming of a lucrative offer, one should gain hard facts about the supply-demand equation, research and analyse before embarking on a plan after graduation that is tailor made to oneself because what suits you may not suit your college mate/friend and vice versa.

  • #624073
    My brother who is younger to me completed his B.Sc. and tried for admission to M.Sc but couldn't get on the university campus. So he tried his best and obtained a job in SBI. He joined in 1982 as a clerk. Later on, while working in the bank he has completed MCA. Now he is the Chief Manager in SBI and in charge of computerisation wing of a region. Why I mentioned this is the individual's choice will be different from person to person and the person should have the will to go up he can do it, in any way. Finally what I want to say is the decision of joining a job or continuing the education is the individual's choice and going on to the top completely depends on the individual's enthusiasm and hard work. So I feel we can't make a universal law for this.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #624082
    While unemployment is not such a severe problem now as in earlier days, underemployment is a problem. People who have completed successfully a 4 year professional course like engineering are getting employed for very less amount of salary as recruited in mass campus recruitment by large corporate. When even such professional graduates have to satisfy with low paying jobs or stay unemployed and face still lower prospects of job after some gap, just to fill the gap the students join some course without any specific aim in mind.

    When I graduated, my father gave me freedom to go for post graduation. However I was convinced that I should get a job first for two reasons.

    1. There was a financial necessity at home and hence I wanted to be of help to my family immediately.
    2. Passing a post graduation with mediocre grades and without excellence is worse than passing a general graduation in lower grades. I was not sure whether I could keep the same excellence in further course.

    Here,I would give stress to the second point. It is sen that for the posts of jobs where only a graduation or even a higher secondary qualification enough, many post graduates and other higher qualified candidates are applying. That really embarrasses the employers and it even spoils the chances of the just graduates too. The result is that the cost of education incurred by the individual and government goes waste as the student ends up in an underemployed position.

    The two main culprits of students going for higher education just for the sake of it keeping unrealistic hopes are:

    1. Excess capacity available due to liberal sanctioning of colleges and universities. To fill the seats students who do not have the necessary basic educational merit of the previous level are also admitted. The institutions do not have adequate infrastructure and teachers who can make the students better than what they were. The result is that a large number of half baked postgraduates and professionals are coming out. This affects the 'employability' as mentioned by Partha Kansabanik.

    2. The cost of education has become affordable with various scholarships, assistance and aids and even bank loans. So just for sake of a higher qualifying degree students go for various course without any conviction or plan.

    After the implementation of computerisation and e governance the jobs where graduates were needed can be done by just SSC or plus two passed candidates.
    In this situation a post graduation becomes a total waste of time, money and energy of students. They should straight away take up a job after graduation or even before that if available. I had applied for a job when I was in my third year of graduation, with the qualification of plus two. After the due processes of recruitment test and interview I was able to join the job within a few months of my passing graduation.

  • #624084
    Maximum number of jobs are general in nature and do not need any specialisation or high qualification. A basic level of education of plus two or graduation are sufficient. Nowadays because of online process of recruitment the selection and reporting are fast and a candidate need not sit idle necessitating a time-pass joining for higher education course.
    Those who aim only for the special jobs where a specialisation or higher level of education are the minimum necessity should pursue higher education. Here I have to sadly point out that many of our high educated students go abroad, never to return, thus wasting the resources spent by this country on them. Hence Higher education has become only for going abroad. The recent US government amendments on H1B visa may make a rethink.

    I do not object to those who are highly meritorious and who are going to take up specialisation or research or anyway. We need fresh talents in higher posts also. But only deserving ones should do that. Those who can really be useful and for jobs worth using the higher education knowledge can pursue the higher studies.

  • #624093
    I think to do the job or higher study person's interest matters the most. No one can do the job forcefully or study with pressure from parents. If someone is interested in doing the job and start his career he should do the same and if someone wants to study then he must pursue his studies. But at the same time if interest is doing both then he can study while earning then there are options such as distance education.
    Interest, hard work, passion, dedication etc. are the requirements of choosing between doing job or study. I have seen some who studied until he is a graduate and is earning very well, on the other hand, some didn't get a job. Also, some got a best paying job after doing post graduation and some didn't. So it's just our luck, our decision, interest.
    I would just conclude by just saying do what you want to do, where you can give your best, decide as per your interest. If you are deserving you will pass the race with flying colours.

  • #624097
    Why I support students to take up a job after graduation and not for going higher studies in most cases.?

    1.All said and done we cannot deny that people go for education even graduation for getting jobs. If it was only for literacy or knowledge secondary level of education is enough for our daily life.

    2. Most jobs, even at higher supervisory levels need only basic graduation level of education. Specific designed in-house training make them oriented towards any job. Basic education plus experience on the job makes them shoulder higher responsibilities and go up the career path. They may need just updating their knowledge which also organisations arrange with refresher and booster courses and training.

    3. As the ob aspirants number far exceed the jobs vacant, people with higher qualifications are forced to apply for a job that needs a lower qualification. This can lead to frustration, lack of confidence and build resistance and negativity.

    4. Many of those who go on with various courses have political aims , as for long, they can be in students union politics and various leadership positions in such organisations will help them charter their later political career. We can have a lot of examples. Many of the do not look up for any standard job.

    5. If one goes on studying for years and years, the real career life starts only in the late twenties or even in the early thirties. Juxtaposing this with the retirement age, one gets only a couple of decades for many things including personal life and family life.

    6. Early days even at sixteen or eighteen people started their jobs. They married earlier and by the time they retire, they would have gone through the various stages in career and life . Today when the youngsters start their job only between twenty five and thirty, it takes a few more years to start their personal life. Consciously they postpone many things in their personal life, which may later result in frustration, self pity and even lead to depression.

    7. In early days even those who started their career at eighteen, with just tenth class pass and basic typewriting and shorthand qualification, they joined evening classes, night colleges or week end classes and enhanced their educational qualifications. Simultaneously acquiring job expertise and updating educational level they reached peak levels by the time they retired.
    The same can be resorted to by today's youth also. Now there are better facilities like distance education and online education.

    8. However highly qualified one is at the time of start of his career, they will soon become obsolete. So anyway they have to update by booster training. It is then better to join a job after graduation in a job and then decide what to pursue further.

    7.Joining a job early makes the person more responsible, experienced and practical, faster. I have seen this in the case of comparison of those from ITIs, diploma courses who have taken up jobs after that level in comparison with those graduates who spent few more years in the colleges.
    8. Those taking up jobs after a medium level of education appear to be more satisfied and settled than those who take up jobs after pursuing more higher education.

    9. The power of accumulation has its effect not just in the financial investment area only, but in jobs also. Joining at a slightly lower salary a few years earlier easily compensates the higher salary getting after a few years.

    10. Hence by the above points I am of the strong view that students should opt for jobs immediately after graduation. Only those with high academic merit, background,specific aims and sure about their capacity and hard work should go for higher education.

  • #624102
    At the end every one needs a job and that is the ultimate goal. Hence I feel there is no point in postponing it. Higher studies can be continued even after that. When you start working, you get exposed to the corporate world. Also you get practical experiences. This will help you to choose the best course, certifications etc. We know that many of the kids around us just acquire degrees for their parents or as instructed by the parents. It is because children do not know how to proceed. When you start working, you learn to be independent and will learn new things in life. All these will have a positive impact on you.

    Even if someone is taking up a job due to his responsibilities, they too have an option to continue higher studies through correspondence courses. Where there is a will, there is a way. Hence if someone actually wants to learn can learn. But that is not the case with a job. We can't get a job easily when we want one. Time waits for no one. We need to utilize the time and start fetching at an early age itself. That is what I feel when we see the rate of unemployment in the country. In foreign countries children start working at a very early stage. As they have the option, they do part time jobs to get pocket money. It is an experience too.

    The number of highly qualified candidates are on the increase hence the competition too is high. In addition to the qualifications, experience, talents etc are reviewed by the employers. Just high qualifications will not guarantee a job. Qualifications will be considered secondary if you posses the talent and experience. But of course it is an individual's call to decide which one to opt for.

    To get a government job also it is better to start trying early. There is a maximum age limit until which you can appear for PSC tests. If we wait until we finish our PG, Mphil and all, we are actually losing on the years available to appear for exams. Reservation is another reason why many do not get a job in this sector. We need to keep all these things in mind and start after graduation. As your qualification increase, you can always attend other tests and get promoted.

    Certain universities require the students to have a work experience to complete their PG courses like MBA. The job you want to get, the sector, your financial background etc need to be considered before choosing to work or continue with studies.

    Regards
    Chitra
    "Do not give up, things might not favour you always"

  • #624104
    Time deadline compulsions make me compelled to conclude my discussion in this GD.
    I hope I have explained my stand with logical, factual and practical justifications.
    The proverb'Early bird catches worm' is quite relevant in the case of getting a job early, rather than prolonging education by pursuing one course after another after graduation.
    I am sure the young students will see reason to take up a suitable job after graduation and then start their new life of responsibility and continuing learning by other ways than just formal academic institutional education.

    The traditional wisdom verse in Sanskrit starts as"Aachaaryat paadam aadaththe..." which means formal education from the teachers is just one quarter in one's life. So it is proper to restrict the institutional education well within the first quarter of one's life and taking up a suitable remunerative job and start one's career.

    Thanks to all participants.

  • #624106
    Concluding my response, let me talk about the responses of other Members. Almost all the Members have argued in a logical manner to substantiate their viewpoints. Mr. Venkiteswaran, Mr. Jagdish Patro, Mr. Natarajan, Dr. Rao have brought their own observations and established their arguments. Ms. Upadhyay and Ms. Chaubey have also established their views rationally. Mr. Aditya Mohan's responses have implied his youthful vigour, his hopes and aspirations. However, I have not fully understood the response at #623718. It talks about completing the study and then going for employment. Is it possible for anybody to complete study? I don't know.

    I reiterate that going for higher education and going for employment depend upon the student's own inclination and the financial condition of the family. The students must introspect keeping these two factors in mind. And introspection must be done during the Graduation days, if not earlier.

    I thank Mr. Natarajan, the initiator of the post, the ME for converting this into GD. Thanks to all participants for a healthy and fruitful discussion. Best wishes to all!

    Non-violence is the greatest Dharma; So too is all righteous violence.

  • #624108
    Finally to conclude from my end, we can't say it as a Thumb rule that one should go for higher education and later try for a job or vice-versa. Every equation is different and same formula can't be applied in each case. It all depends on the subject we study, the socio-economic conditions and our interest combined with determination would be the key factors which influence our decision to opt for higher studies. Every coin has two sides. If you go for a job after graduation, there are possibilities of losing interest in acquiring higher studies due to busy work schedule and family factors also. While on the other side, your working experience would add more benefits in securing a seat like MBA.

    This thread has really brought out varied opinions with proper justification about the pros and cons. Yet I strongly believe that it would be ideal to search for a job when the required qualification has been achieved without going for further studies to gain independent financial stability.Thank you all and I feel happy sharing my views with you in this GD after a long time.

    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #624111
    Since yesterday I have been trying to post the response, but facing the technical issue of login on submission. I hope, this time the response gets submitted. And I am writing this third time since last one hour.

    Now coming to the topic, the discussion was whether a person should complete the studies first and then think of career or first gain experience and then do the job. But, in both the cases, it is sure that candidate wants to complete higher education.

    And I would again say, that the decision will depend on the selection of the course in graduation, their dreams and desires and their responsibilities. Overall, it is the person , who can introspect themselves, their dreams, their expectations and no one one better than themselves can think about their future at this stage. So, whatever decision they take, they should think of pros and cons of each side, and after that they should leap forward with great confidence and without any hesitation.

    I want to share one of my observation. There was a time when HSC and SSC was considered as pinnacle of education. Later, a saturation came and focus shifted to graduation. And, now we can see a great number of graduates and the increased rate of unemployment too. There will come a time, when post-graduation will not be a choice but it will become a necessity.

    I would like to thank the author for bringing such nice topic for discussion. It will surely help many students, who are confused between going for higher education or fetch a job.

    Thanks to webmasters and editors.

    And all the best to the participants of the group discussion.

    Regards,
    Madhvee


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