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Commonwealth games and Challenges of Indian sports- Active GD
Posted Date: 28 Oct 2009 Posted By: Jose Mathew Member Level: Platinum Points: 5
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Hi,
India is hosting the Commonwealth Games in 2010( CWG Delhi 2010). Preparations for the great event is going on and the Queen’s Baton Relay 2010 were started in London and it will continue for 340 days.India is looking the CWG Delhi 2010 as a best chance to express our achievements to entire world.
Even though millions are spending in improving the quality of sports, there is no good result. We have talents but miserably fails in bags the medals in international events like Olympics. In India in athletics we produced Milkha sing, P.T Usha and still we are waiting for another one. Recently she had to face a bitter experience in one of the national meet-the authorities fails to give her a good accommodation.
Indian sports is controlled by the politicians. There are many similar faces for a long time at the top. What they are doing? Are we improving? In Asia China and Japan were well ahead of us and members can discuss about what is lacking in India. What are the challenges of Indian sports?
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| Author: Vandana 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating:  Points: 6 |
It is not that talent is lacking. What is lacking is an efficient system that will encourage all sports and not just cricket and one that will ensure proper infrastructure and training facilites for sportspeople.
Absolutely the first step that is required is to dealienate politics from sports. That is the challenge facing Indian sports - to stop interference of corrupt politicians. Only people with a good sports background and experience in the field should head a team that will implement the required sports training system. We have seen once too often how medal winners are expected to fall at the feet of some big-shot politician to get their blessings - really disgusting! It should be ensured that neither a policitician nor any 'chamcha' or relative of the politician is involved with the system. The persons who are selected for ensuring improvement in sports should,in turn, be selected by a panel of non-politicians.
Next, campaigns promoting other sports should be done to encourage sports right from the grassroots level. There should be basic qualification competitions for various age groups in each sport to discover our talented citizens. These budding sportspersons should then be provided proper facilities and training under top coaches. After a certain period of training, State-level competitions should be held to find out their progress, and then again at the National games. Once a sportsperson has proved his/her talent, he/she can even be sent abroad for training. Naturally, during training, their education and nutrition must not be neglected. These should be given free without cost to the sportsperson. At least the taxes paid by us can be used effectively!
Equally important is to not forget our sportspersons who have brought glory to our country. Due recognition must be given to them at all times, even in their sunset years of life. Whether they won a medal a year ago or more than a decade ago, we must always recognise their efforts and not just confine them to the pages of a record book.
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| | Author: Pawan Bahuguna 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 3 |
In my view Indian government or politician are giving importance to only few games like Cricket but other game are not given much importance. We all know Sachin,M.S Dhoni but hardly we know the members of Indian Relay team,Volleyball,Basketball,100 m etc. So their is some gap between all these which should be filled.
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| | Author: Aira 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
On this planet, for every one thousand people 175 are Indians. But, out of the one thousand medals given out in the last "2008 Olympic Games", only three were grabbed by Indians.
Does the above fact translate to the lack of talented sports persons in India?
It's not that Indians lack talent, but lack of a system in India to identify them from this vast country and give them a push, has been slinging enough dirty mud on the face of India with her sports fraternity garnering only a feeble number of medals in the successive Olympic games.
Though it’s not unusual that graduates from India premiere institutes like IITs and IIMs, fly off to developed countries chasing huge pay packets, these premiere institutes grads in their mid twenties have turned up with a dream to improve sports in India and envisage for more number of Indians to garner those coveted medals in the next Olympics.
Our system needs to be set up to improve sports culture in India at the grassroots level. Each school, college or sports club should be registered to the sports organization (the organization must be headed like the DMRC Chief E. Sreedharan person) has its own profile data, where they would record the results of all inter class / inter school matches. A report card facility measures their performance and gives them institutional / national level rankings. The pyramidal structure with various levels motivates the player to move up to the next level. This innovative system makes the transition of a grass-root player to a professional national level player with talent being the only criterion. This way the players know where they stand, get enough motivation to work harder and climb up the ladder. The system ensures that those at the top are the very best in their field of sports.
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| | Author: Manas Kumar Nayak 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Does anybody really care for sports in our country? Remembering my school days there was one period through out week to play games again for 45 minutes. After school hours our parents never allowed us to play instead of asked only to study, study & study. Till now the situation is not improved. Still our parents insists to study hard to be a doctor, engineer or IAS officer not a sports person, Why?. So, from the billions of people we can name few sports personality as mentioned by Jose who has established by their own effort only. Never an Indian can think sports as a profession because he can not earn his livings through it. Instead we take it as entertainment purpose only.
A sports person can be built from the childhood stage only not in adult age. So there must be enough encouragement from the younger stage if we really want to promote sports in our country. Again Why the younger people are after the game of Cricket only? They see if selected once they can earn for their life within few years either by playing or doing commercial adds which is rarely possible through other sports. Always we measure the games through commercial values only not as a sportsperson. That is the 1st & Main reason behind current sports conditions of our country. Being the 2nd largest country in population, we are far behind from Jamaica.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 0 |
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| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
YES the talent is always in India but it still lags to bag recognition in the world. Even if parents want encourage their child, who had talent in sports, they take a back step worrying about their child's future, which they feel may not be secure and believe that there is no guarantee that their child will be awarded commensurate with their child's talent in a nation where not all the sports are patronized by its citizens.
One of the main reasons is lack of awareness about various opportunities that are present for those who want to pursue their career in sports. One more reason is though the facilities and opportunities are provided they might not be properly implemented.
Even if all the facilities are provided properly they will not come at normal costs. Only the rich could afford enrollment into such facilities. But it may always happen that the naturally talented people may not be rich enough to use the limited sports infrastructure and at the same time, the rich people who use these facilities may not excel due to the absence of natural talent in such sports. Therefore, many people possessing natural abilities had to cut short their careers due to their inability to hire quality coach and no sources to fund them.
If we consider an average Indian student ,the access to sports facilities is very less. Nowadays schools are constructed as some high storeyed buildings with AC rooms but with no playground. Leave about providing facilities , they are not even been allowed to expose to various sports.
People who are provided with all the facilities may not be interested at all and even if they are interested, the competition they are in may not be sufficient.
Suppose we keep these problems aside , lots of sports persons, who want to show their talent by participating in big sporting events held outside the country ,do not get a chance to travel to those places and they stay back due to lack of funding.Instead many officials go along with their families and enjoy as holiday trips. The result is less number of sports persons will be able to participate.If any sports person raises his voice against these issues, the big pocketed guys with their influence come into picture and that would be the end to their career in sports.
Seriously,what India need is proper implementation of the facilities provided and their awareness even among 'common' citizens. If a guarantee can be given to a child's future ,who wants to pursue his career in sports, then no parent will worry about their child's livelihood and encourage their child in whatever sport he want to take .
Hope the situation changes to a better state!!!
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| | Author: m v lathkar 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
The irony of Indian sports is that sports administrators in India have little first hand experience of the problems the sportsmen face on the field. Sursh Kalmadi is heading IOA for last decade, but as he himself had once confessed, his sole credentials are his ability to get funds sanctioned by the government. PR Das Munshi during his 20 years at the helm of Indian Football Association do India's ranking free fall to below 150 in the world. And KPS Gill treated Indian hockey as his fiefdom and completely ruined it.
I strongly feel that unless our athletes reach world standard, India should stop participating in International competitions. Look at what China did. For more than 25 years China stayed away from any sports event of international level and quietly brought about the sporting revolution. So that when it came out of self imposed moratorium in Los Angeles Olympics in 1984, the world was dismayed by the leaps and bounds it had taken clandestinely. India can not hope to produce medalists merely by hosting competions like CWG 2010. In stead India is better off pumping the money in a long term plan of enhancement of performance of its players.
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| | Author: Gyandeep Kaushal 29 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
I really think that what type of country is India when it comes to the melancholy topic - Olympic and Sports. But on the other face of the coin when I think about it, the population comes into my mind. I think that what a country having about more than 125 crores of people and we are doing just nothing in terms of such events. What is the reason behind?
Definitely, the reason is our unconcerned government for this. Maybe it is not the main culprit, but it is the culprit somewhere or the other. Just think about our national games hockey and a non-national game cricket? Cricket players are like stars shining all the way through and they are so rich that we cannot just think about. This can be explained by the advertisements which we witness on the television daily. While almost half of the advertisements are done by our cricketers, we don't know even the names of our great players in the Hockey team. Of course many of us know but they are not equally famous to the cricketers.
Why is this so? Our hockey players are not provided with good facilities and that is a bitter fact. But the question is why? Of course our Cricket Board, the BCCI is a rich party. It can spend a lot on cricket and cricketers but then why can't the Hockey players be provided with 'this'. This is not merely me who says this, but also the very hockey players. The government is least concerned about the development of Hockey and other games like Chess and Basketball. It must give value to all the games. It is a shame for us that despite of having so many talented players, we do not have a name in the game of Football. We never qualify there.
Let me tell you the reason. Our government (unexceptionally) develops only those things which it thinks that can be developed. We think that we have strong hold in cricket, but when it comes to the other sports like the Olympic events, our faces are gloomy and we are full of sadness in those days, when we see China and US winning bags of medals and our Indian players suffering with only 2 or 3 medals.
It is not that Indian people do not have strong bones in their legs and do not have good physique and health. It is not like we eat soil and the Chinese people eat gold. It is nothing like that. It all depends how much value one gives to the games and things related to this. The BCCI spends crores of rupees to get great players and it spends to keep the spirit of the players up, while our National Game players are not benefited in an equivalent manner. They are not provided with such facilities. The recent example is the boxing Champion of our country. He even practiced at home only in bricks and things like that.
On the whole I think that it is not the fault of the quality of the players, it is somewhere the deficiency of the government which does not care about all these which it says "out of the game" things. I think we must value the emotions of the players as well as the needs. We must value our Indians and we must value that we can do it, provided our government agrees to help it out.
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| | Author: Dr. Apurva A. Tamhane 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 4 |
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi,
Good news is Commonwealth games event will be in 2010 in our home country's capital, my opinion and bad news is politics starts from our home to home country like charity start from home; it is very bad that politics is there even for sport category too, if anybody wants to be a star in sports category, he/she should get strong encouragement and support from home / family members, friends, teachers, relevant sport authorities and Indian government etc. to improve and reach his/her career best level. But politics from anyone from the above department affects both sport person and country’s overall sports performance so resulting in negative. It’s happening from long time to our sport person and country that need to be rectified to get good and qualified sport person in all sports categories at right time.
What happens to sport person is, when he/she is interested any sport category and performing well by putting effort and hard works day to night, but one of the above (home to home country – politics character) plays vital politics role which unable to manage or tackle by the sport person that starts result in disheartening to failure on his/her sport career, few sports person face such challenges and comes out from it, but most of them failed to do so.
When any rich or poor or influence, qualified sport person face such scenario – just think what will practically happen to that sport person even he/she has a potential performance that can reach from District to State and State to International level.
A person will be lucky and becoming sport star, who has not much problem as politics intervenes from home to home country.
Boosting for successful sport person is his/her effort, fans and media. For some sport person advertisement opportunity gives good and bad in his/her performance and career development.
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| | Author: Vandana 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 3 |
I also feel that the top corporate companies in India should each come forward and give sponsorship to our sportspersons other than cricketeers. Such sponsorships will pay for good training, the sports kit including equipment and clothes, and the nutritional aspect.
Also,when a talent is recognised in the field of sports, the Institute where the sporstsperson is studying should waive the education fees.
These steps will surely encourage our budding talent.
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| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi all,
I would also agree with many others, than India doesn’t lack in talent. The main reason why we are not able to bag good number of medals is our situation itself. India is a developing country where the prime issues are still poverty, education and economic development. Sports cannot be given the required importance as of now. So the share of budget allotted to sports is much much less compared to the developed countries. So I feel comparing ourselves with the developed countries, as of now ,is not fair. If you observe most of the countries that succeeded to perform well in Beijing Olympics are the developed countries who had enough budget and thus enough infrastructure to improve their sports.
We can say that we can have pyramidal structure of competitions to bring out the talent. But who will conduct these competitions? The government doesn’t have enough money to conduct so many levels for all the games . That is why it is choosing upon some of the games which can in turn bring in revenue , which is a main priority for the nation now. I am not saying it is the right approach ,but I am saying that the government is helpless to most extent.
Many said that its due to advertisements that cricket is being given importance. I would say NO. Advertisements just follow the market statistics. They take in cricketers because the people in India watch cricket more. So the people have to be blamed for giving more importance to Cricket.
How many people in India really think about sports as a profession? It is mostly considered as entertainment as thus given the least importance. The attitude of the people has to be changed .
So my final suggestion would be that private social organizations should rise for the improvement of sports in India. There should be funds collected throughout the country for the welfare of Sports. The programs about sports should be increased in radio and Doordarshan which can serve as e-training for many people giving then tips to improve their respective sports. Retired sportsmen should be given certain incentives to go around the country or at least their region and explore new talent.
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| | Author: Aira 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 4 |
Well, Vandana has given very good idea that the top corporates to come out to promote and sponsor sports events to develop sports culture and support for the national game and other sports apart from cricket.
I would say that all the attention shouldn't give to cricket only, there are so many interesting games that need to be brought to our attention and require professional aid to encourage them.
Due to lack of proper training, adequate training equipment, professionals trainers, medical facility and aid, our sportsman fails to bring medals home.
I hope India will perform well in other games too, if the corporates come out to provide aid for those things is lacking.
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| | Author: Shobha Manasa 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi Friends
India was and is a country where there is no importance given for sports even today in this 21st century. Being a country of more than millions of population which stands at second place in whole world stands almost in the least positions in case of sports. It is not only sports there is no other event or activity which is being encouraged in this country. I myself am a mere example of this. I was interested in sports like badminton, my parents, relatives all elders to me always suggested me only to study thats it. Nothing else will help me. And my sister is a champion is playing chess, but there is no encouragement for her to develop. If the parents are not allowing their own children to get forward in any of these sports or other activities than what is the use even if the national corporates also come forward to invest. This is the main drawback that we even face today in our country. In a country like India if today these things are given importance than there may be other different side of development in the children.
The other main drawback is, the infrastructure. Today India says some person like Somdev Devvarman is a proud person of India, or India is proud of him etc etc. But do any one of us really think that we are really proud. He is a resident of USA today. Why? Because India lacks in giving the good infrastructure for developing ones own skills in the sports. And when the person comes into limelight than India says it is proud of him. Yes there is Sania Mirza of Saina Nehwal who are champions today. But what is the rate of success. The ratio of who succeeded and wants to succeed in India is one is to thousands or lakhs also.
One day when we won gold medal by Mr.Abhinav Bindra in shooting in Olympics, India felt very proud. But I ask Why? Because it should be felt ashamed that only one medal for these many people. Other countries being with very less population wins 50s and 60s of only gold medals. And see our position we are happy celebrating because we have won only three of them.
And also the only sport ever heard in India is about cricket. Why is the cricket only game found. Though the national game of the country is Hockey it is much less preferred when coming to cricket. Many other games and sports are not even known to many of the people.
Why this situation is there still in the 21st century?
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| | Author: Dr.Sanjeev(Sandy) 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Platinum | Rating: Points: 5 |
I feel very strange to see there are so many responses here, someone blaming the system, some one stating the lack of talent and most of us pointing finger towards the Government for their unconcern about other sports.
But my dear friends we should not forget that when one finger is pointed towards anyone 4 fingers are pointed towards us. Is it not our lack of interest, our unconcern towards other sports.
Yes, Hockey is our national sports not because it is widely played in our country but due to the interest of our Countrymen towards this sports in the past and this led to evolvement of players like Dhyanchand, but gradually the interest of people shifted towards cricket, thus hockey started detoriating and cricket captured the brain having nerves for interest towatds sports.
Vandana said that corporate sector should comeup for sponsorship, but corporate sectors are neither interested in cricket nor any sports, they are interested in viewers. If viewers will increase we are certainly going to see corporate sectors sponsoring the team and individuals of different sports.
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| | Author: Shobha Manasa 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 4 |
Yes Sanjeev Sir I definitely agree with you as you said that when we are pointing others than four fingers are pointed at us. But according to my opinion, I said that when every individual is interested there are many breaks in between, starting from parents to every other person individually related or as I stated as infrastructure or government etc.
Yes the main point of the corporates is they should be benefited, but are not interested in making something constructive to others by sponsoring or what ever. They only require viewers as stated.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
All of us are agreeing to the fact that Indian sports is in a state of desperation. So desperate situations demand desperate measures. All the talk of India having lot of talent must be put in right pespective. The examples cited by fellow members, like Somdev and Saina are very few and far in between. Moreover, what is the role of Indian sports system in their 'so called' success? Perople like Bindra and Anand and Sania etc have achieved their laurels entirely on their own with very littl help from the respective sports associations.
India was prompted into bidding for 2010 CWG primarily because of the success its contingent got in 2006 Games where India stood 4th with 50 medals 22 out of which Gold. But if we go deeper into these figures, the we'll come to know how misleading these figures are. Out of 22 Gold medals Indian won 16 gold medals in shooting. Now world's superpowers in Shooting like China and Korea don't participate in commonwealth. Hence the figure is reduced to solitary Bindra Gold in Olympics just two years after. India won 3 gold medals through its women weightlifters who are bringinf shame to the nation by being involved in doping. So what does that leave? India's performance in Atheletics, Ball Games, Aquatics is not worth mentioning. India could not even make semis of Hockey.
Another fact warrants attention. India came fourth. On top was Australia (221 medals, 84 gold) and it was a creditable 6th in Beijing with 46 medals (16 gold). England second(110, 36) was a surprisingly high 4th at Beijing(47,19) Even Canada which was marginally below India in CWG 2006 was at respectable 19th position. Beijing's real star nation was Jamaica with 6 Track and field gold medals leaving behind even the US. Where were we? At a disgusting 50th position, but brazenly celebrating our first gold in 80 years!
The situation in CWG 2010 and even in London Olympics 2012 is not going to be any different. Instead, as I in my earlier post said, India needs a long term plan, may be for 2020 Olympics of grooming the children, spending the budget on their development rather than hosting such 'events' and keeping away from international competition till the time the preparations are ripe enough.
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| | Author: Aira 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 3 |
Yes, I absolutely agree with Sanjeev. The sponsors are only concerned with viewers as every site is concerned with traffic rank. Either sponsors or websites, both are concerned with revenue and if in any fields, there is very less scope to earn then a businessman doesn't invest in that field.
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| | Author: Dr.Sanjeev(Sandy) 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Platinum | Rating: Points: 6 |
Not only In India but even other Countries of the sub continent like Pakistan, Bangaldesh, Sri Lanka people are more emotional than professional thus in spite of being enormous talent, they lack the spirit only due to the lacklusture response by their own countrymen. In spite of getting a silver in olympics everyone is gradually forgetting Harshvardhan Rathore and I bet more than 50% of Indian will not even recognize seeing his picture, but same doesnt happen in sports like Cricket, even today we can recognize Sunil Gavaskar, Kapil Dev and even newer talents like Virat Kohli, so there are so much interest towards cricket and lack of interest towards other sports.
In spite of being talented there is lack of interest and this lead to failure in big events like Olympic or commonwealth games.
Even in Cricket Government is not giving anything but still BCCI is richest cricket association in the world. But in games like hockey, football or atheletics we lack such autonomous body and even funds, no one want to give their children in other sports. I have seen a good sprinter getting scolded by their parents and asking them to leave running on the track as it is going to give them nothing.
For proper nurture of talent we need, interest towards the sports, emotional attachment towards the players and we should treat them as professionals and should be paid like a professionals.
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
@ Sandy sir, it is good that you are herein this GD, it will be more interesting, competition and much to know from you too which we missed (you) in the past few GD.
However, I agree with you to some extent as I was already stated regarding sport person’s and viewer’s interest in my first reply with 2nd paragraph as below;
What happens to sport person is, when he/she is interested any sport category and performing well by putting effort and hard works day to night, but one of the above (home to home country – politics character) plays vital politics role which unable to manage or tackle by the sport person that starts result in disheartening to failure on his/her sport career, few sports person face such challenges and comes out from it, but most of them failed to do so.
Few means, for different sports category like running P.T.Usha, Walsamma, and few other women who won few medals for us in the past…and recently few of boys got medals for Boxing and shooting etc.
One of the main reasons Cricket becoming famous is, they used to play very often that viewers also supports it, whereas sports related to CWG/Olympic used to play very rare like once in five or few years. For example, if we study a subject often will be remembered very well than we study a subject in once in five years. Once cricket (Test & One day match) played often even that time stadium was empty or less crowd due to less interest, but match never stopped for any audience, later change the result due to advertisement and mouth-advertisement from viewer.
The different sports category which played in CWG and Olympic should play often as a match by Indian sport person to get more practice, fit and to get medals from CWG and Olympic also to attract viewers to generate revenues even via sponsors or sports control board, which cricket does nowadays.
In few countries, it is common that different sports (related to CWG/Olympic) will be held competition very often which boost them in getting medals during CWG/Olympic. But, in India, at present, it is opposite case. Hope it will change…
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Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: m v lathkar 30 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
Hi friends!
With due regards to senior members of ISC community, I am of the opinion that lack of sponsorship and returns obtained by non-cricketing sportsmen is not the real issue. Hug money in Cricket is a recent phenomenon. Many old time Cricketers ( who played tests ) will ell many anecdotes of how they had to fend for themselves when on a tour. But a string of good performances at International level, notably 1983 world cup truimph changed all that. The situation will change for other sports too. But for that the players will have to deliver the results first. If the results come, Indian public will also recognise the other sportsmen also. Today, the ahteletes from other sports seem to be content with Arjuna award and Khelratna awards, for which too there' so much of lobbying. There's no burning ambition to excel at the world stage. A consistent success will certainly bring in corporates. After all as sandy said in one of his earlier posts, they are not bothered about Cricket. they are interested in eyeballs. Let the Hockey, Football bring TRP, the sponsors will take it in laps.
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| | Author: Vandana 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 5 |
It is not true that there is no burning ambition to excel at the world stage. There is just no proper system in place to encourage such ambitions. Look at P.T. Usha. One of our finest athletes has taken up on her own the initiative to train budding athletes like her with little or no help from the Govt. Her wards definitely have the ambition and that is why she is training them. Then there is the academy set up by Pullela Gopichand in Hyderabad for badminton players. Saina Nehwal has trained here and look at her today - she is excelling on the world stage!
So one of the challenges of Indian sports, which is the topic to be discussed here, is to encourage more people like P.T.Usha and Gopichand to set up training academies and given them the finance & infrastructure to enable them to fuel those ambitions that are dormant in so many sportspersons.
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| | Author: Vandana 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 5 |
Regarding the issue of corporates jumping into the fray to help Indian sports: yes, they are only bothered about their profits and if the sport does not get them the viewership, they are not keen. But why ? - That is exactly the point I am trying to put across. Why don't they give the sponsorship to sportspersons other than cricket? I am sure that with the backing of a big corporate house athletics,swimming, and other sports too can become popular.
If the Ambanis, for example, can have their own cricket team, why can't they pour money into our archery team for example? Our archers have proved that they are amongst the top in the world. Look at swimmer Virdhawal Khade. He has proved that he is definitely talented and he has got the sponsorship of the Mittal Trust. Similarly, with the right sponsorship other Indian sporstspersons too will surely be climbing the international medal podium one day.
What the Govt. can do is set up a panel of some sensible and talented senior sportspersons who, in their turn, could directly approach corporate houses and organize some kind of sponsorship programs.
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| | Author: Dr.Sanjeev(Sandy) 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Platinum | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi Vandana
I agree Ambanis can pour lots of money in archery or atheletics or can even pour money in ocean, but the reason why they opted for cricket is because a small tournament of cricket like IPL earn crores of Rupees. In spite of dismal performance of Kolkata Knight Riders Shahrukh Khan was second highest earner from IPL.
Yes PT Usha and Pullela Gopichand has taken initiative, but apart from few words of praise, they are getting nothing, not even good players. Saina Nehwal can be an exceptional, but she can be a celebrity for 2, 4 or hardly 8 years after that no one will care. I am telling you one example, an athelete whose exact name I am not remembering so not quoting was gold medalist in Asiad and there is a road in his name and after some years the same athelete was found selling ground nuts on the same road.
Everyone is more concerned about their future than present and in other sports future is not so bright and this lead to lack of interest. I am not telling that situation is same as it was 25 years ago, but then it will take time to improve. Let us see, and let us have some interest in other games, then I am sure in due days we will also emerge among the top medalists.
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| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
I agree with all ,that cricket is being made popular and other sports are being neglected. As Sanjeev sir said the viewers are the target of many big corporates and since the viewers have craze for cricket these big pocketed corporates go for it for further pocketing. But if we want them to target to other sports ,it is the viewers who can do it.
Mostly ,for any one, the interest in any particular field arises when they themselves are part of that field. Like see, even a kid go about with his cricket bat and plays in some ground or lane.As they themselves are part of it they get interested when some big players play the same game for their country . So everything starts with the people .
Even though hockey is our national sport, many show interest for cricket because majority of them don't play hockey at all and they are not even been exposed to it .When cricket is played at every level ,it obviously grabs much attention.So ,as said earlier, the schools,institutions, organizations leave about providing sufficient facilities ,the children are not even been allowed to expose to all the sports.
As Hafeezur Rahman said the frequency of other sport competitons need to be increased in order to continously keep them alive in people views.
Each and every sport has to be given equal importance.So if changes are made at lower levels ,they gradually lead to main top levels which provides a healthy environment throughout all sports.
If one part of work is with people, another part is the work of government.If it can provide encouragement by providing sufficient requirements and support to the players then everything would turn out perfect.
Hope it does happen this way.
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| | Author: Narendra Bachimanchi 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Yes Sanjeev sir I agree with you that today the sportsmen may be on the top of the roof but after a period of time they are no were as stated by you. This happens because such people are not given any importance. Not only in sports many other fields the people who are good to command and demand has their place in this world today or else they are crashed down to the roads further. And this happens to the sports people because the mistake be from both the sides. One cannot simply be cause of any reason.
According to the actual topic given, we know that today the right person eligible for the right position in any sport is not there in it. There are politicians who look after these sports etc. And they have their great weapon politics to play in this also. The person who is really eligible may not be given chance instead a person with influence can be in that top position even if he does not deserve it. This is also a cause why India is lagging behind in winning. Politics are being played in each and every issue. If the person who is really eligible is not given the chance than it is a de-motivation to him, because his actual talent is not given any importance. And there are many other reasons as stated by all for underdevelopment of sports in India.
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| | Author: Aira 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 3 |
We people always talk about corrupt systems in India and accuse our system that it is incapable to combat the corruption whether it is subject of sports or other activities. Even though our system is incapable, but many NRIs are not only showing strong interest towards other fields but also towards improvement in our sports quality (for example, cricket).
I hope that NRIs would also recognize other sports apart from cricket. NRIs can give their financial support to our talented sportsmen.
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Aira
| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
It is indeed unfortunate that a single sport gains so much focus, while others are left to merge in the background in a country as diverse as ours.I could see many hanging over to it and not all have a passion for it.
Cricket has quite literally become a money-making racket. Film stars & industrialists pumping money into this cricket and making it into an industry rather than keeping it as a sport.
When I have heard about IPL matches and the bidding of players I was totally stupified and realized the craziness that we are entering into. I dint understand this auctioning of players!!!! Earlier they used to play for the sake of the sport but now they are playing for the sake of money.
When there are various sports out there ,which require funds for their improvement ,here we land up shelling obnoxious sums of money.
There is lack of proper cultivation of various sports.
As have said by above , Champions are being forgotten after a few years.They are only provided with income when they are in the spot light and after that they are not even being recognized.This is really a pathetic state India is in now .If their future is not being guaranteed and secured, who wants to indulge themselves in other sports even if they have interest and talent!!
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| | Author: K MOHAN 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 3 |
As far as Challenges are concerned they are many....tell me frankly given the population count..are we representing our Country to the hilt...our contigents are very less and their training is far poor and we and our Govt expects them to perform and bring ''gold''to the Country....take example of P T Usha..the golden girl...what a humilition meted out her in Bhopal recently...not a single sportsmen goes to PARLIAMENT...
| | Author: m v lathkar 31 Oct 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
Talking of the challenges before Indian sports, one of the main reasons of present plight is that we Indians are so disinterested in going to the playground. We find people having heated arguments on India's performance and who the politics has ruined. While it is true, how many of us actually play?. Playing sports is not all about winning medals. It is a way of life. This surely is not a forum to describe benefits of physical fitness, but majority of Indians ignore this vital thing. More and more youth, children, even the middle aged citizens need to be brought on the grounds. Sadly, there's not enough catchment area for choosing a pool of sportsmen who can be groomed for international competitions. Today grounds ae deserted. Youth of the country is glued to TV and internet therby physical fitness of average Indian is alarmingly poor. The sports system of India needs to look towards this as its biggest challenge. The perspective of Indians towards needs to be changed. India needs to become a sports nation, much as Australia, where common people indulge in outdoor activity. No wonder Aussies excel in physical sports like Rugby, Football, Hockey, swimming etc.
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| | Author: Aira 01 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 2 |
Some of the parents also do not show interest to encourage their children to play other sports apart from cricket. The reason is, they do not see any future and rewards in other sports as rewarded in Cricket and Lawn Tennis.
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Aira
| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 01 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 3 |
Yes Aira , that is present scenario and that needs to be changed.And this change can be brought not by a single person or an institution but combined effort of everyone.But if we ourselves start from within and put our effort in order to bring awareness among all then may be at some day there might not be a situation where we might discuss the challenges facing Indians in sports.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 01 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
INDIA NEEDS A NATIONAL SPORTS POLICY
Ever since independence, India has formulated a definite policy for foreign affairs, Economics, Education etc. By and large the government's decisions are in accordance with the policy guidelines and the policies generally irrespective of the party/coalition in power. There is no such policy towards sports in place. Hence the sports is governed in a most adhoc manner.
INDIA NEEDS A CEO IN SPORTS MINISTRY
Many erstwhile and current ministers are known to have worked wonders in rge ministries they are in charge of. The contribution of Mammohan Singh as finance minister, Vallabh Bhai patel as home minister, Lalu Prasad Yadav as Railways minister is noteworthy. In the last 60 years, uoy can not name a single sports minister who has contributed substantially towards betterment of sports in India. That is primarily because nobody wants sports ministry. It is treated as a reprimand - a disciplinary action.
Interestingly many in the govt like to and are heading sporting organisation. You have Sharad Pawar as BCCI supremo, ot Praful Patel President of Football Association. But they don't volunteer to become sports ministers. India needs somebody having passion towards sports as its sportsminister.
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| | Author: Gyandeep Kaushal 01 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
With the recent post of people like Sandy sir, Vandana ma'am and many others, many things are quite obvious. Many of us have pointed out the problems of politics also regarding the unconcern towards the politics. But I would still like to speak on one thing, in a bit deeper. It is quite a true fact that in India when it comes to relate things from one thing to another thing, we surely tie a string with the hooks of politics. But we must not forget about the exceptions. But disregarding the exception, it is a common perception in India that politics is ought to be corrupt.
Yes, there is a big game played by politics in it. One of the most sacred words in the dictionary of today's Indian politics is bribe or what we call ghoos in Hindi. But it is not just a small matter when it comes to someone's whole life or career. Then it becomes really a painful experience for the victims. We all know that today India is lying in a better condition in the field of cricket than in the field of hockey. I would not blame politics for this totally. As said by Sanjeev sir, this is quite a true fact that it is mainly relied on the nature and attitude of people today towards games like hockey and cricket. But then there is something common in all the games, and all the games have become victim of it today, especially in India.
We have seen many films, many daily soaps regarding this. Still I would like to nurture the topic in the light of ISC's GD here. What happens when people get to recognize a person who has some talent in some particular game or other. It is the humanly nature that rivals feel jealous and many people still think that rivalry and jealousy and ego are interrelated. But then it cuts the status of the nation in the long go, when this implies to sports and games. It is a common example that sometimes the parents of rich candidates try to bribe the selectors to get their candidate evaluated and reach the next level. It often happens and due to this, the talents, the poor talents are hidden behind and keep to be hidden behind. Why not watch the movies Iqbal and Victory. This famous fact has been tried to be shown or depicted there.
Money is always a big game in sports. It is not always like the selectors are experts in India. It is not always like the coaches are the experts even. Sports is a victim of money and bribing and that is a truth. Plus, yes, the main thing is the interest level of people towards many things. Not only these things but also there are many other factors which relate themselves in the infamous truth of sports (failure of sports in India). The attitude that girls and boys can also be friends has developed just recently, in the last couple of years. It was not always this. But it has come to be noticed. Similarly is the case of sports. Parents have not started thinking yet that yes, there is a scope for better future in sports even.
Recently in the reality show of Tere Mere Beech Mein which is shown on Star Plus, came a boy. He is a really good cricketer, and he knows that. But his parents never liked cricket and even any other game for career aspect of their child. It is not like there is no interest among the children of India about sports. This boy (I do not remember his name) in order to become a cricketer left his house in Andhra Pradesh when he was just 10 years old. He even did not know that where he was going. He just got on the train and when he reached Mumbai, he came to know that he had come to a place called Mumbai. He roamed about places and somehow he got to the house of a Cricket coach. At once that coach told him to return back to his house, but as he even did not know about his address, couldn't go back. Somehow that coach managed to keep that boy with him and teach him how to actually play cricket. One must salute this aspiration that he used to play cricket without any shoes, just naked legs. He continued to play with a bad economy. He did not have good pads, no good dress, no good bat and no good money at his plot, but his aspiration made him to play. Today he is being recognized by people. He wants to return home but he does not remember his house address, so he can't.
This is what the attitude of true sportsmanship and strong resistance of parents can lead to. People must start recognizing sports as a part of their life. They must start to believe that just like Doctors and Engineers, sportsmen are also established people. And believe it or not, becoming engineer or a doctor is also not so easy. If parents begin to support their children to become sportsmen, it is a big achievement for a child and maybe he gets recognized in the upcoming times. So on the whole, people should recognize is as a normal thing, they must not try to resist it. And about the bribery thing, huh, no one can stop it other than the bribers and the bribed themselves. At last I would like to say that
A talented sportsman is a boon to the country, especially to a country like India.
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| | Author: Vandana 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 4 |
One statement by Gyandeep stands out:"People must start recognizing sports as a part of their life". How true! As Aira said, parents are also a crucial factor. They can encourage their children in sporting activities and not focus solely on the academics. Sports and studies can co-exist. In fact,sports scholarships are a big help in getting admission to good Institutes.
As MVLathkar pointed out, a good sports policy can go a long way in encouraging talented sportspersons and helping towards facing the challenges of Indian sports.
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
We are talking here about sports in CWG/Olympic then politics and individual interest related to different sports categories, however, to improve those sports categories, we, as a citizen and government authorities both has to take an extra steps that should be more than present effort and situation. Still we have few months as a time – that is enough to practice, fit and success by the relevant sport person in the forthcoming Olympics. However, for present and future related to sport categories, I would like to summarize and share few ideas as below; you can share your view or express your view/concern toward its advantage and disadvantage etc. so, most of them will come to know what is behind lacking in these sports categories success.
• Different category sports (which played in CWG/Olympics) should consistently provide training in Government and Private schools / colleges regardless the location whether it could be in village or city, interested all students should try to participate from their school or college.
• Government and Private schools/college authorities should intervene in this matter and systemize the procedure to implement the sports categories are followed, practiced and played by the selected students (Although very few sports practices already in some schools that is not enough to achieve over there).
• It should be reached an International level and standard, try it as a competition between from school to another school then reach to district level, district to state, state to domestic and till reaching International level. (like in cricket match, School to College from University, goes to District to Zone and State level…then like Ranjhi trophy etc…till reaching International level.
• Government authorities and third party should prepare a committee where they can justify the category in case of any complain/grievance from any student or sport person for indiscipline matter.
• Government should increase more fund toward sport category compare to current situation and should create more employment for these sports categories, such as selecting instructor, buying equipment, spending money toward play ground and nutrition etc.
• Government and Private firms should allot their sponsorship, support, required fund, equipment and advertisement to sport persons to improve these categories.
• International coach can be selected for temporary basis to train the team to get more results.
• The competition or match should be held against international team for those who have selected here for domestic or state level, at least 2 years before CWG/Olympic etc.
Thanks,
Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: Gyandeep Kaushal 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
Very rightly said by Hafeezur that we are discussing about Common Wealth Games and not why the Indian talents are not supported and all. Yes, rightly said by him, but we must talk about these things as there maybe many talents who are not going to have a chance in the Common Wealth Games, though they deserve it. But yes, I would also say that let's not make everything gloomy, let's not make everything sad and filled with melancholy. Let's cheer up and enjoy things but also, let's not forget that this is a GD and we need to discuss things.
It is a truth that we Indians have got the habit of relating things very easily to politics. While relating we only see the leeward side of politics, but this is not good. We only talked about why and how Indian talents are not recognized in the field of sports but we should also not forget that it is somewhere also the part of good politics that we got to have players which have contributed to Indian sports records. It is somewhere there part also. So thanks to the Indian politics.
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| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
" We are the second largest population, and we get only three medals? "
What kind of a question are we asking? Do you really think having population enhances sports in a country?
Let me explain you with an example. Let’s say a company is recruiting people and is willing to select 10 people. If the number of people applying is 100, I would be confident enough and would work hard for it. If it is 1000 then my confidence would be a lot lower. If it is 10000, I would think twice if it is really worth applying. Sports is in a similar situation. Finally the Common wealth team has only few players, but players from the whole country(with huge population) are fighting for it. How does that sound for a parent? Even if the parent considers Sports as a profession, why would he/she send his child into such a competitive profession? The unemployment rate in other professions is much much lesser that that in Sports. If population is lesser, competition is lesser.
I do not deny that more population also means more talent. But finally only few will be selected. Now, coming back to my previous anology , but now from the company’s perspective. If the applicants are only 100, selection process is easier and lot more effective. The company may take lot more time in analyzing each person. So there is high probability that the right people are chosen. As the number of people applying increases, the complications in the selection process also increases. A lot more levels of filtering, “a lot more money” and a lot of proper organization comes into play in order to maintain the same effectiveness in selection. Needless to say it’s a much tougher job. So the point is the selectors in a country with low population can work more effectively than those in India. To maintain same effectiveness we need lot more money which I marked earlier.
So, the end point I want to make: population is not really a boon. I know whenever I point to population people compare India with China. I shall remind you that China has been doing well in sports after it became a developed country. So go back to my point “lot more money”.
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| | Author: Aira 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
In today's highly competitive world of sport, India face new challenges everyday. To improve our sports standard, Indian Sports organization should change their strategy to adapt to their ever-changing sports world. Upon looking into the issues Indian sports faces, it is not uncommon for sports organizations to experience conflict in leadership and organizational structure due to miscommunication. When an organization restructures, it should utilize known practices of emotional intelligence, knowledge management and team development. Once the problem and the course of change are identified, it is important for Indian Sports to communicate their progress with the sportsman. In order to prevent future conflict and miscommunication, Indian Sports need to implement team building strategies to recreate the sports culture and mission.
Our Indian sports should identify organizational issues that drive to develop and execute improvement plans. Team building, conflict management, power, knowledge management, external environment, and internal communication are the issues which most sports organizations face (including Indian Sports). These are only a few of the important concepts that leadership of any organization must pay attention to in order to stay successful.
Every sports organization faces the challenge of managing their growth. Do Indian Sports go out and try to raise money or do they try to build organically? I would suggest them to build organically first and then try for sponsorships.
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| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
“Government should conduct lot more non-cricket competitions. Government should pour in more money into sports etc.”
Go to a poor child selling flowers on a busy street and ask him if he wants to play with you. He would probably deny you because he needs to be selling the flowers to feed his stomach and cannot waste time playing with you. I might be repeating my point from my very first post but I think it is very essential for directing this GD. India is in a position similar to that poor guy. It has lot more issues like poverty, education, economic development and it cannot give sports the required importance. Thus the money share for sports in India has to be limited, as of now. Government cannot be complained presently for the low share .
If Government cannot provide enough money for improvising sports in India, why is it conducting the Common wealth games? If this is your question , then I’ll tell you Government will eventually get money from conducting it and it needs it desperately to use it for above mentioned purposes. Moreover it helps in developing sports awareness in the country .
What government can do is invite the corporate sections for funding as mentioned earlier by many members. So the question raised “Why would Corporates be interested in Sports”. The answer is deal them in their way. Instead of taking taxes from them ask them to put it in a non-cricket sport. If the team brings in loses government will bear them . If team makes profit, the company can keep certain percentage of the profit. This percentage can increase with the unpopularity of a certain sport. The investment is the same , its just that the management is not government it is private. Private organizations want profit and thus would work hard for the improvement of the sport. Of course, the idea still needs lot of improvisation.
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| | Author: ishagulati 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Silver | Rating: Points: 5 |
we all agree to the fact that Indian sports is on the developing stage. But it does not mean that India is not prepared to face the event in respect of sports.
It demands desperate measures rather than to sit and cry for our shortcomings. Why not we spread the light of awareness in the youth of today, who are around us to be active in sports in which ever game they feel like participating. Prepare themeselves for the national and international lev el sports and then see the result.
We all need to awake the talented people around. We all are compatib le enough to be a good runner or sportsperson, the only thing is we need practice and awareness. We take it easy and just do it for fun sake rather than take it as a carrer and develop our skills.
India definately will take time to improve the sports sitautions and the spirits between the Indians and hope this great event will work as an eye opener to most of the sports persons who think that they can only be good at their grounds and not at the national or international lev el. Although the recent success in the Olympics has given lot of encouragement to the ppl but we hav e yet to go a long way
| | Author: Gyandeep Kaushal 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
We said that the situation of the current India in the matter of sports is not so good. We all said that it needs to be improved. But I would say that with the upcoming time, sports, olympics, and other games are really going to have a nightmare in the future time and not only in India but it will suffer in many other countries too. I am sure that you might be thinking that why I am saying this. There is a reason for this, a very deadly reason.
We all know that there are many children who are aspired to add themselves to the sports community but due to some kind of restriction or other from their parents, they are not able to do so. Parents are a big factor for a talented sportsman to become an established sportsman. But I am sure that every mother and every father loves the life of their children. Why I am telling this, you must be wondering while reading this post of mine. The reason is terrorism. We all know recently what happened to the Sri Lankan cricketers while moving in the bus. They were attacked by the terrorists. So many of them got injured. This is another aspect which has become the real foe of sports these days. No one likes to send his/her child to death and due to the incident mentioned by me, so many parents fear about the security of their child's future. Even if they dreamed about their children to become sportsmen or sportswomen earlier, but now their restriction towards has become even stronger.
Now what to do? Can the spirit of sportsman take a stand and hold an AK-47 to shoot the terrorists first and then play for the country? This is another aspect on which we can look on, but sadly, hardly can do something.
I hope people get my point.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 02 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 4 |
Hi all!
I would like to bring to notice another glaring fact of ignorance of sport. India has produced many selfless crusaders in many facets of social life. We have many social activists literally burying themselves for environmental issues, consumer rights, right of information. We have people like Baba Amte giving their life for upliftment of leprosy affected, and Sundarlal Bahuguna fightin for Tihri Dam affected people. Many social causes have been unselfishly espoused by some of the best known social workers. But do we see any person or organisation working with equal zeal for betterment of sports in India?
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 03 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
Different members and different views/statement in this GD, regarding sports in CWG/Olympic. The main points are sport person future, in between politics, individual interest related to different sports categories and rare terrorism, however, reading everyone’s statement, my opinion for this topic-GD as follows;
• Who is not thinking about their future? Not only sportsmen but most of them think and take steps toward career and future to earn including money saving for future, for example, most of the poor people in our country try to provide ample education to their children keeping in mind their past history and bitter experience should not repeat for their children. When many homes grow economically then obviously home country grows too.
• Undesired future result not only happening to sport star but various field stars including film star. Sports should be kept as a part of sport person’s career, but it shouldn’t only be their career to avoid undesired future for sport star.
• @ Maheedar, we are talking about school/college students to participate in CWG/Olympic but not for the flower sellers who is very less average compare to school/college pupil in India. If you are eligible and if you want to be a big shot in any field then you have to take big risk too to get desirable result., if you think about how to reach that level between huge population, demonstrate your sports skills on your own way by putting hard/smart work and time will show your result where you supposed to be as it has made known for many sport star in the past, otherwise, you will be discouraged yourself not only in these sports categories but almost every field.
• Politician/politics will be there as the government assign job for sports minister and its subordinates etc. we can put request to systemize, modify and act their current job to increase more sports activities related to CWG/Olympic till reaching international level also let them play match often, and minimize the unfavorable politics against eligible sport star etc. by using grievance section.
• Regarding sponsorship or viewer, do not blame or follow them until and unless you prove your skill to the top most, then, they will follow you.
• We should try to avoid “Us against Them” attitude between team players which leads to losing the matches as it has happened in the past in few categories, and sport person should keep in mind the “Team work” even though one of them performed well in a particular match or competition.
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| | Author: Manas Kumar Nayak 03 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
I found a lot of Cricket bashing by the members through discussion. My friends, just tell me how many of you are keeping interest in other sports while the current Ind-Aus series is going on. In reality, it will be less or zero even. Then question arises "Why we are watching Cricket while talking against it"? The answer is simple there are people like Sachin, Ponting, Dhoni & Yuvraaj are playing in the series. These people have created their own image through their own skill & talent not by the politicians. We never watch a Indian Football league match but prefer EPL or Spanish Football, as there is no Ronaldo, Messi or Drogba in our country clubs. Can you imagine the player like Drogba hails from Ivory Coast, a small country less than size of a district of India and is one of the leading scorer in EPL then why not the player from our country? So, what the government can do in this condition if there will be no interest among people towards sports.
A lot people has mentioned less importance was given to our national sports "Hockey". Do you think there was more importance given to Hockey in the period of "Dhyanchand" in comparison to present national team? It is becoming a common dialogue that we are given less facility or opportunity for practice if the team loose a tournament to save face and divert the topic.
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| | Author: Vandana 03 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 4 |
Manas, you say "So, what the government can do in this condition if there will be no interest among people towards sports." That is exactly the challenge facing Indian sports - namely, what to do to garner interest in sports other than cricket because the very word 'sports' seems to be limited to cricket. Further, various members are suggesting the same thing - about the Govt. taking steps to increase that interest by having a good sports policy, by pulicizing other sports, by holding competitions in other sports,etc.
When the Olympics come around, I am sure there are people who watch our sportspersons' participation in the various disciplines. What is needed is to maintain that interest beyond the Olympics.
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| | Author: Manas Kumar Nayak 03 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 4 |
@Vandana - As per you the concept "'sports' seems to be limited to cricket" is not created by Government, we the people have created the concept. Only creating policy or promoting do you think the problems will be solved. Until & unless people come forward voluntarily and show interest in the game no body will take care of the matter.
By the way, Olympic is a sporting event and besides Olympic there are so many games are played world over. Instead of depending upon assistance always from others real sports persons must come forward and display their talent. In last few years besides cricket, Tennis, Badminton, Boxing & Wrestling are getting popular in our country due to the personal effort only.
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| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 03 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
@all
Almost everyone had said that Government or private sector or someone needs to take initiative in order to promote sports.
Suppose considering they do so .The question that arises is "Does that promote sports in a healthy way??????"
Considering the normal way of life that goes in India ,which is people have become more individualistic and prefer to outstand others and the 'I' comes into picture rather than 'WE' and this leads to very dangerous halt and several projects may fail entirely due to this.
So the same scenario glides here.There might be duplication of efforts as various sports control boards or private sectors or government contribute in their own way for promotion of sports without any coordination with each other.So players sponsored by them mostly will play for the state or for that sponsors sake and not in coordinance with others in the international level, wherein coordination ,cooperation and communication is much required between players of the team.
This might not only affect country's name but also result in wastage of scarce resources and time that can be best utilized. Individualistic approach in a team never yield tangible results. So in case of sports that are team oriented each and every player has to be taught to play for the nation,for the team,for the state and then for him.
This can be achieved by keeping some principles that have to go along with the sports and get them practiced.
These principles will eventually lead to sports ethics which might get integrated within the players.Thus increasing the team attitude i.e. 'WE' rather than individualistic attitude 'I'.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 03 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
After following the discussion thread, I find that all of us are critical of the politicians, and rightly so, for the sorry state of Indian sports. Secondly, ther's a divided opinion about Cricket having affected the growth of other sports. Let me put forth my point of view:
There's no doubt that the popularity of Cricket has overshadowed all other sports discpilines in India. But to blame the Cricket administration and enthusiasts for thwarting other sports will be inappropriate. It is true that Cricket has been popular all the while. But other sports really thrived in India till Seventies. India was a name to reckon with in International competitions in number of sports discpilines, including Hockey, Football and Tennis. But indifferent management over the years saw the public interest diminish gradually. One must remember that India became World champion in Hockey in 1975, good eight years before it won Cricket World cup in 1983. Sadly, the Indian Hockey Federation could not capitalise the achievement and this is precisely the credit BCCI has. BCCI thoroughly encashed the world cup victory and Cricket in India never looke back since. Similarly, sixties was a golden period for Indian Tennis when it reached finals of Davis Cup twice, but the second string was not prepared by the ITF hence fortunes of Indian Tennis revolve around a couple of stars only.
It is true that politicians have ruined each and every field of Indian society. Education, religion, security, industries and many such areas are being ridden by political interference. So sports is not an exception. This is not to justify ppolitical high handedness. But let me remind the members that in spite of this, India has made impresive strides in many areas like technology, space research, agriculture etc. Each of these fields had a visionary taking India forward. To Rajiv Gandhi the credit must go for India's emergence in IT. Scientists Sarabhai, Satish Dhawan and APJ Kalam had the foresight due to which India could take giant leaps in space. Sadly Indian sports has by far not been blessed by such a god father. So, to me India needs an influential Godfather with a foresight to take Indian sports to greater heights.
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| | Author: Agnes Mary 04 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
According to my opinion, we are not lagging. In our country most of the people are encouraging cricket only. We should change this. we should encourage all sports. We should avoid politics from sports. Those who have interest in sports and those who have experience in sports can only guide other peoples. We should appoint an experienced person as a team head.
In many schools and colleges they do not give preference to sprts and games. We should encourage the students in their school life and we should give importance to sports. The parents also want their children to become a doctor or engineer or collector and so on. They do not like their children to become a sports person. We should teach the students about the importance of games. The first step to improve sports is we should encourage the students to play games.
In the last olympic games, we have won three medals. This denotes that we are not lagging. So we should encourage each and every person. If we encourage our team members we can win the Commonwealth Games in 2010.
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| | Author: Manas Kumar Nayak 04 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Geographical conditions plays major role in a sportsperson life cycle. For instance, athletes from Kenya or similar countries of African region are successful in most of long distance marathons not in 100 or 200 meter events. For the game of Football strength, stamina & speed is required while height plays important role in Basketball. While smart & flexible body is required for Gymnastic, swimming or cycling requires greater stamina and determination. If we will compare such factors with a typical Indian sports person we can easily see the difference. Some sports/games like Chess, Shooting, Archery does not require such physical conditions, so you will find more Indians successful in those events, even Cricket fall into that category.
So, instead of going for all sports or blindly promoting any games if people are trained or selected as per our geographical or physical condition we can win more medals. One can notice if America is successful in Track and Field events then China in Gymnastic & Spring Board Diving. So, Why can not we have player up to our potentials?
Now another question arises which events or sports are suitable for us, which can be discussed further.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 04 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
As I've noted earlier, there's lot of Cricket bashing going on with many members accusing Cricket and Cricket administrators of thwarting growth of other sports in India. I find Cricket in India is much like Congress party. Just as Congress is in rule for most of the 60 years of independence, not because of its policies and capablities, but because of lack of worthwhile oppostion, in the same way, Cricket is prospering in India, not because it is being run efficiently, but because other sports administration is in shambles. The spectators, viewers, sponsors, spotspersons run after Cricket because there's no alternative.
We talk highly of Lalit Modi for floating IPL. The same concept was floated in Hockey as PHL but the Hockey federation, led by KPS Gill had no professional expertise to make it a success. After stupendous success of Chak De India, one would have thought that dark days of Indian Hockey would be over. But IHF could not lap up shahrukh Khan's popularity. Instead, his Knight Riders gave the glamor content to IPL.
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| | Author: Amit Siwach 04 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
As discussed above in various post India is emerging with its quality and improving in the field of sports.But we are still lacking behind the countries due to only and only one reason that is Corruption.
Corruption in every field in India takes behind us in every aspect of development whether it be sports or politics or any other field. Till we are not able to cop with corruption we will not be able to improve with much pace as we should.
One can take the instance of well known corrupter Madhu Kodda who made Jharkhand more measurable in his ministry time. Same concept lies with sports too. We are lacking behind only due to corruption and the type of thinking we are having with our workers. Everyone always think of their self before thinking of any development to country. Everyone in government field take advantage of its post and why they should not take this is culture of India to take advantage first for themselves then for country.
Challenges with sports lies in every field of the game.First take the authorities which made the game spirit less as they decide the people who serves them better. We have various names and done good in sports at international level but they still don't have better facilities to work on. Now players indeed plays a vital role who after wining one or two matches disappears due to media surroundings and money thrown to them and takes the game as the secondary thing which gave them the chance to be fabulous.
We have to re install the things and make the games high in spirit and players really dominated to the game only.
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| | Author: Aira 04 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hello Members,
I believe transparency and accountability in our system can help to confront challenges facing Indian sports. Of course, there is always advantages and disadvantages in any kind of evolutionary approach. But we need to look towards the positive side of the approach.
Transparency means an organization that is open and candid with information. This can mean financially open books, anti-corruption policies, providing public access to information, making strategy and tactics known to others, and more. Today business leaders, politicians, educators, and even military leaders, are all claiming transparency in order to shine a positive light on their organizations. But it’s easier said than done. Often there is a disconnect between what organizational leaders say about their openness and what actually happens in the workplace. In practice, secrecy, public relations spin, and misleading information are more the norm.
Our authorities have no choice but to be transparent. In fact, nothing is hidden anymore; we are completely exposed due to Internet technology, so what is important is how these naked organizations behave.
In a connected world, countries, governments and companies also have character, and their character — how they do what they do, how they keep promises, how they make decisions, how things really happen inside, how they connect and collaborate, how they engender trust, how they relate to their customers, to the environment and to the communities in which they operate — is now their fate.
So transparency is very difficult to avoid. Indian Sport needs to put less effort into controlling who sees what and more effort into how they act given that everyone knows what they know.
In my point of view, transparency in our sport authority and selection procedure may improve performance in Indian sports.
Thanks,
Aira
| | Author: m v lathkar 05 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Another issue niggling Indian sport, and is a potentially big threat to upcoming Commonwealth Games, is the security concerns. Even though, India is organising this years CWG, Britain is the formal host because, Commonwealth Games are participated by erstwhile British colonies. The same Britain had called back its shuttlers from World Badminton championships held in Hyderabd earlier this year. Australia, another strong CWG country had also pulled out of Davis Cup tie some time ago citing security situation in India. One is not sure what will be the stand of these and other countries. The recent refusal by Services team to play Ranji Trophy match in Shrinagar is surely not a good signal to participating nations. If the team representing Armed forces of India, itself finds its unsafe to play in its own country, how would other nations take India's word that it is safe enough for participating athletes?
Last year Olympics Games were held in China. Apart from bing one of the grandest in the history, the Games in Beijing were also one of the most trouble free in the history. Chinese govt had taken up a mass education drive for the people of Beijing on how to interact and entertain the foreigners. No such drive seems to be undertaken either by Delhi Govt or Indian Govt to educate people of New Delhi.
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 06 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
I think at present it is not much possible to make transparency in our sports system which can help to tackle challenges facing by Indian sports persons. We can try to compare between the high level and most preferable sports (cricket) to lower level and less preferable sports (related to CWG) in order to achieve low level sports equivalent to higher level, but it will only be success when individual or team (depend on sport category) work hard, come up, achieve something and continuously support it by all including Government, relevant sport authorities, sport person, viewer-citizen and sponsor etc.
Also, all relevant authorities should be honest in their own way to accomplish their duty keeping in mind the country’s welfare on sports section too. Since there are different political roles (as stated above) in every department / section to choose a sport person on their own choice rather than selecting qualified sport person.
In addition, it will be better if authorities eliminate the sports categories in school which are not related to CWG/Olympic and International categories etc., as there are few sports categories providing practice in most of the schools which are not related to CWG/Olympic / International categories etc., and they should try to add CWG/Olympic / International sport (cricket) categories etc.
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| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 06 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
There were many factors discussed which affected the sports in India. Just going back couple of the main points: -
1) Lack of interest in people: The main reason for this is the risk factor involved in the Sports profession. There are a very few people who get selected into the various teams. The point people forget is about the “Sports Quota” . People think that if you try for a sport and you fail, that’s an end. But it’s not. There is sports quota in admissions of colleges and recruitments of government jobs right from the district level of sporting. So if someone is good at a sport obviously he would be selected at least in the district level and thus can avail this facility. The sad part is, this feature is not given any publicity. There are movies where the hero works hard, faces lots of problems and gets selected, and there are movies where he doesn’t get selected and get depressed or does suicide. But, there are no movies where the hero when fails to get selected, avails the sports quota and gets settled. Thus there is this impression developed in the public that sports is a very hard profession to attempt. Thus people should be given awareness about the sports quota and let them know that a sportsperson can lead a peaceful life even if he is not selected in the main national team.
Coming to interest of people in cricket, I guess it is not something to worry about. Because it is quite natural that more people watch a hit movie than a flop one. Thus more people will be interested in watching a successful sport. We cannot change the attitude all we have to do is work for the success in each and every field.
2) Lack of infrastucture : Construction and maintenance of infrastructure is a very costly issue. The budget allotted from the government is not quite sufficient to improve it efficiently. So I would suggest:
a) There should be something like a hallmark for the schools given according to the sports facilities available with respect to the fees they collect(i.e. something like “quality of facilities/fees per student” should be the criteria.). This will give a push for all the schools to improve their sports facilities without raising much of fees.
b) Social groups should be formed which collect funds from various NRI’s, private companies etc. and if possible run an tax sharing policy as mentioned in my previous post.
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| | Author: Vandana 06 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 4 |
I liked the suggestion of involving NRIs in our sports. We have heard of NRIs getting together to support the IIT which is their alma mater or to set up a school in their hometown.
In the same manner, NRIs can definitely help out in sponsoring talented sportspersons. For example, let's say a swimmer needs sponsorhip to train in USA. An NRI family could come forward to sponsor his fees; another could let him stay with them during the course of his training so that he need not spend on accomodation there.
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| | Author: m v lathkar 07 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
I tend to agree with Maheedhar Kaki when he says that the magnitude of interest in Cricket is not a concern. The concern however is, people treat even cricket matches as Bollywood Cinema. People have become so pessimistic that why Cricket, they feel that every thing is manipulated. The mathces, the election, the examinations the general impression is that all this is fixed and that the real talent would never succeed. This general impression needs to be changed. It requires a lot of character building in the society, and developing sports culture in the society can help improve it.
Talking of NRI participation, there again the same situation exists. We all know of many NGOs funded by NRIs working in different sectors. How the govt and private funding is misutilised, is of common knowledge of everyone. So, as I have noted in my earlier posts, Indian sports needs a selfless crusader who genuinely wants to take Indian sports to the top.
Another point I would like to reiterate that if the infrastructure at grass roots as not adequate, why spend huge bucks on conducting big events like CWG which said to have a budget of 3000 Cr. New delhi's major sporting facillities were installed in 1982 at the time of Asian Games. Most of the stadiums went unutilised in last thirty years. Now that these facillities are being renovated, is the same danger of these stadia remaining idle not there? Even Chinese govt is concerned that the huge Birds Nest whre lats year's Olympics was staged, is turning out to be a white elephant for the govt. So it would be wise to invest these 3000 cr in ground level development rather than floating huge tenders for construction od stadiums and thereby serve the interests of political bigwigs.
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| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 08 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hafeezar Rahman said that the sports categories in school which are not related to CWG/Olympic and International categories should be eliminated ...but what purpose does that serve??
People who are interested in playing them may not even bother to play other sports if their favourite one is removed!!
And also the current sports list in major events may not even remain intact through out.. right?They might change based on interests. So eliminating some sports in the schools may not totally contribute to the development of sports at higher levels.
Sporting spirit of person increments only if he feels confident in performing well and this can be obtained by starting with those sports that interest him even though they might not be listed out in major events.This confidence may eventually lead him to participate and develop his interest in other major sports as well!!
It looks like NRIs can help if they want to but I find that situation may not likely happen.They might have well settled at their places and might have become so much citizen of that place that they might seem unlikely to bother about helping an Indian sports person.
I agree with Lathkar that the government can cut short the revenue they pour into maintaining huge stadiums which may remain unused for many years and can invest in development at root level.As again that points to government not able to do its duty!!!
And also I liked the notion of Aira about transparency .
As people will be aware of what is happening in the backend of sports events and selection procedure ,there is a chance of eradicating political involvement . And also awareness about the entire sports procedure and career take away of sports persons helps in vanishing the worries of common parents if their child wants to pursue his career in sports.
Atleast few politicians may back off in involving at selection time and let sports authorities to properly utilize the funds provided for sports.
Transparency surely have a scope of improving the current scenario of sports in India.
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A.S.Kranthi Kiran
| | Author: m v lathkar 09 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
This thread seems to have stagnated for a while now. Just to refresh it with a tinge of humour!
INDIA THREATENS TO BOYCOTT THE OLYMPICS
IOA president Suresh Kalmadi was jubiliant after Abhinav Bindra won India'd first ever Gold medal in Olympics. "You see our performance is continuously improving", he said. "In 1996, Paes won Bronze, Then in 2000, Malleshwari too won Bronze in Weighlifting. India's performance improved further in Athens whrn Rajyawardhan Rathore won Silver medal in shooting. Now Bindra has won gold medal. So, there is nothing left for Indians to achieve". He further urged the IOC to institute "diamond and Platinum medals" so that it would be a further inspiration for Indian athletes!. He also warned that India might consider withdrawing from next Olympics if the demand is not fulfilled!
This anecdote is of course imaginary. But the attitude of sports administrators is real!!
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 10 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
Thanks to Jose & Editors for unlocking this GD thread.
Coming back to GD.
Yes, transparency is there in few sports categories in our country at present, but it is not enough transparency and simplicity which can effectual for overall sport categories related to CWG/Olympic and International…
@ Kranthi, “people who are interested in playing them may not even bother to play other sports if their favorite one is removed”, My answer is – What is the use of selecting and playing unnecessary sport in the name of favorite which will not give any goodwill and benefit at present or future to anyone either sports person or school or country, just to pass the time?, as we are aware that there are few sports categories which are just to show off in school’s responsible list and most of them as time pass activities (in school), or illegal money earning activities (not in school) which both of them affects legal and recognized country’s sports activities.
If we don’t eliminate them as taking an initiative for few unnecessary sports that plays few of them as it is regular and unnecessarily in schools/college, then, those sports person’s mind can’t divert ever to select another sport related to CWG/Olympic and International, also, Individual interest and initiative will be absence from the root level toward sport related to CWG/Olympic and International. We will hardly reach or we will not reach till CWG/Olympic and International level. It is sure that current sports categories will be outdated later as we not shown interests in playing them on time related to CWG/Olympic and International.
School/College students are main source and also very important to utilize them for sport categories to reach till CWG/Olympic and International as naturally their age and physical fitness supports them to achieve something in sports categories for the nation.
We can think them in both the way, positive and negative, not only sports categories I am talking about, but also there are few sections like sport, science, technology and other sections etc.
In this GD, Now, about Sports, that should be updated always with those countries that are already updated in relevant sections. Otherwise, we will be outdated and it is too late to blame our government or authorities or individual for under developing in these sections.
However, if we need success in any level, we need to first select the correct way/category which is recognized, need to reach there and ensure that we modify ourselves up to date, accept the changes, accept the real constructive feedback from others then play and win on the field accordingly.
Thanks and regards,
Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 12 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 5 |
Hi Hafeezur,
I would contradict to you point where you said only those sports included at the international level should be allowed to play. For example, Kabaddi was not an International sport. If people would have left playing it just because of that, then it wouldn't have been included in Asian Games and now entering the Common wealth. I think the approach should not be to get good points in Olympics or any other international sports events. Instead we should respect the sports( all kinds of sports) profession as any other and try to reduce the risk factor in that profession to encourage more and more people in it . If this is ensured the points will come automatically.
There are enough people for all the games, we need not drive people into the games by discouraging traditional games. We just have to groom the people who are already interested in each of the sports.
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 13 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi Maheedhar / All,
@ Maheedhar, It is good that you remind me about also Kabadi, we respect every sport but seeing result we urge sport person to change and pick the sports category from “not in the list” to “listed category” to get some medals, potential outcome and enter in hall of fame at present as we are at “above minimum level sports infrastructure” in our country. I was about to write Kabadi subject in my previous statement in the same thread but skipped as it was not required at that moment. However, let me clarify you, Kabadi is already an international game not only because we were / are playing in India from so many years / generations, for your information, Kabadi is also playing in other countries like Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Sri Lanka and Philippines etc. from so many years / generations, it is mostly from Far East Asian countries only. It was once Indian and Thailand’s sports authorities forced Asian Games association to approve it at least in Asian games, to get approval and include any new sports category in Asian game, minimum 3 countries required to do so and in fact it will not be approved anywhere if any one country try take step for approval, also, any of these 3 countries should play it often. Kabadi is approved due to many reasons at that time, few of them is, it was playing in more than 3 countries internationally (not because of domestic or played in India only – “even though Kabadi is like Hockey sport which invented in India”) although it was not much playing as a match or competition between any two countries internationally until and unless it was played few months before and after of held in Asian game once, I remember Indian Kabadi team won there too somewhere around in 1990. Another reason is it was approved only for Asian game and not in any Olympic or Common wealth in the past. It was also not played in the past in any Olympics especially when it was held in Europe countries and few Asian countries.
There are two ways to go hall of fame in Asian, Olympic/CWG sports, one is already approved & listed sports that we have to follow to be participated and rewarded, another one is, to create a new sport in their list (minimum three countries should play that sport) to be participated and approved for Asian games, Olympic/CWG sports etc. which could take long time. Sometime, neither we follow listed sport appropriate nor able to include anyone which we play here aiming Asian, Olympic/CWG sports etc.
For Asian games, it is minimum three or more countries to be played and should be well known and accepted by other countries for Asian Games, but for Olympic approval criteria is more than Asian games. I personally feel better and listed one is, “we can go where already road is made to drive, perform, reach and success instead of we need to wait, create a way, put road then complete it to reach, perform and success etc., which could take long time till that so many sports updates will be there internationally and our present effort and steps for them will be outdated, also age and physical fitness will not support at later stage for particular and qualified sport person.”
Few unsuccessful sports which were played but not reached or even reached can’t continuous ever in big event: Ball badminton (doubles or fives), Ring (single or doubles), Volley ball team, Individual Sock and many more etc. which still playing in few schools as those are under school responsible list and in the name of favorite one, also few other different sports categories are still played in different Private schools and Government schools.
Few successful sports which were reached and played or playing continuously ever in big event: Long jump, High jump, Dart in different categories, Gymnastic varieties, Swimming in different style (it is only not possible in school due to its lack of facility), Marathon or running in different categories, Basket ball, Weightlifting in different categories, Boxing, shuttle cock and many more categories etc. few of them stated over here are still NOT playing in our country’s schools / colleges as it could add in school responsible list to pick, select and win by eligible students/pupils.
You can play traditional game as you like but at the same time you can utilize listed game vastly to get huge benefit as it is an open and recognized forum.
Thanks and regards,
Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: m v lathkar 13 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi all!
Mr Hafeezur Rahman and K.Maheedhar have been talking of indegenous sports like Kabaddi etc. But, whether indegenous or international, the sports organisers seldom exercise their weight to protect interests of Indian players and Indian team. Indian Hockey was at one stage known for its artistic flavour. Indian style of hockey flourishes on natural grass. In spite of this the Hockey federation officials in seventies didnot oppose the introduction of artificial Astro turf which proved to be detremental for Indian style. As it transpired, decline in Indian hockey coincided with introduction of Astro Turf in 1976 Montreal Games.
So even if Kabaddi becomes internationally popular, sooner rather than later, a day will come when countries like China and S.Korea will be medal winners ahead of original home of Kabaddi. It has happened to Hockey. the countries like Australia, Korea, Malaysia, have learned the tricks of the trade from Indians and now are beating Indian teams very regularly.
Even Cricket in India has suffered from the short-sightedness of the administrators. True, India is the money-spinner in international Cricket. But with IPL, the foreign players stand to benefit financially as well as cricketwise. Australian team used to struggle in India. But recent convincing win by Aussie team over India is largely due to the fact that more and more Oz players are comfortable playing on Indian pitches, thanks to exposure because of IPL.
So, I reiterate my earlier contention, that a long term plan is needed to bring about overall sporting culture in India. Whether to promote Indian sports or international sports is not such an important issue so long as the sports organisations invest time and resources in all round development rather than routinely sending underprepared teams to international events only to get hammered and dampen the spirits even further.
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| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 13 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi Hafeezur,
I think your approach is quite opposite to that of Docomo “ Follow the herd. Why do the new?”.
I agree with you that adding a sport an international event is not as simple as, telling the game and it gets approved. I would like to mention that there is a Kabaddi Federation of India (KFI) which did the necessary background 10 years before it got approved in Asian games. You said kabaddi was played by more than 3 countries internationally. Did you wonder who conducted those international( mostly south asian) events? It was the above mentioned federation. It was part of the background work that was been done. The background work included going to countries ,introducing and popularizing the sport and then conducting competitions. I guess any good sport can be made an international sport with some effort and time.
Anyway kabaddi was just an example that I mentioned. The main point I wanted to put forward is that we do no bury our culture and tradition for some international event. And introducing our own game is not just about getting some easy points, it is to glorify our culture throughout the world. Don’t you feel proud that an international event , Hockey, originated in India?
And above all this, how would removing traditional games improve sports? Do you think that those who are compelled to play a particular sport perform better than those who are genuinely interested in it? And you said while the game gets approved, the sportsmen get old. Of course, but the next generation will get benefitted. And even the present generations can play in the national events and they still get the “Sport Quota” to get their education and jobs. So their life is not ruined.
@ lathkar
Once a sport becomes an international event , everyone will polish themselves according to their country economic conditions. It is a great point you told that Australia and others have overtook us in “hockey” . It is a matter of pride that our sport is getting such respect from all the countries. We are having a great opposition, if the quality of opposition increases the quality of ours also increases. The question is at what paces? To remind you Cricket originated in England, where is it now?
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| | Author: m v lathkar 14 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
Mr Maheendhar's remarks are quite pertinent. Like knowldge, sportign expertise should also be shared, which brings out qualities in ourselves too. you've mentioned the decline of English Cricket. Yes English Cricket is languishing, but Lords ground is still the Mecca of Cricket. World of cricket still follows reules formed by MCC. Wisden nomination is still considered as a top honour. But that's another issue. Indian style of hockey is still popular. Even the FIH ( International hockey federation) too cares for Indian Hockey and wants India to do well again. That's why india is given to host next year's world cup. That's why they sent ric charlesworth to india. Indian hockey association should have utilised Ric's expertise and would have benefitted tremandously. instead, how shabbily he was treated is too well known to be reiterated here.
That brings me back to my point. A complete overhaul of sports administration system is needed. It requires a great will power, something MamMohan singh showed while signing nuclear deal. Indian sports needs a god father.
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| | Author: Kranthi Kiran 15 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
As the discussion thread is going right at the moment, the main point that is highlighted is that for any sport to be successful it has to root itself and have to continue a long journey to come to top position. So that eradicates the idea of eliminating sports ,that are not at present in International sports list.Once any sport becomes hit on international list, every country will try to improvise in that sport accordingly as Maheedhar said.
So instead of eliminating those under listed sports Hafeezar, it would be better if the listed sports are given more facilities and more awareness is created about them. As Maheedhar rightly said we cannot impose a particular sport on people just for the sake of it, rather groom those who are interested in it.
Surely Sports needs a god father. But that father consists of many administrations that have to cooperate and coordinate with each other for a right way of developing the status of the sports. But Indians (except a few)seems to be more interested in individual interests rather than overall development of sports.
So what I suggest is any administration or organization that deals with sports in either organizing a sports event or sponsoring sportspersons in big events needs right leadership. These sort of organizations needs to be headed by those who have indulged themselves totally to the development of sports.
Like say, sportspersons who have been retired will have that zeal for sports even now. These people if they head any sports organization and have the authority of making decisions regarding sports, I think there is surely going to be drastic change in the status of the sports in India.
People like Kapil Dev or ex coaches who have been totally involved in sports and have total respect for them have to allowed to head organizations which conduct Sports events.These people will make decisions which does not involve any individualistic interests and work for the development and also they help in providing right encouragement needed in the present scenario.
Regards,
A.S.Kranthi Kiran
| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 16 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
@ Lathkar, Anyone can express their sport experience, knowledge and view over here; it is neither debate nor argument between us but GD related to the topic for any sport, it is going as such and most of them come to know so many points from this GD posting by participating members, it reaches not only to non-participating ISCians but who access it globally.
@ Maheedhar, as you stated, could you please give us example if any other game more than Kabaddi and Hockey which originated in India and reached to Asian/CWG/Olympic?, still I say same thing that “you can play traditional game as you like but at the same time you can utilize listed game vastly to get huge benefit as it is an open and recognized forum.” It is really proud that our country games are there, and at the same time we are not trying to bury any game which is our interest sport at home, but, since topic is for related to CWG/Olympic, we therefore, try to explain about a sport which determines medals for our country at present, including present and next generation comes, present sport may get old or outdated for next generation too.
In addition, these two (Kabaddi & Hockey) games were become popular due to some important reason, it is not only we used to play at home but some of West & South Indians completely migrated to Far East countries during and before India’s freedom, they carry not only with them business/job but also sports like Kabadi etc which helped and enriched in Far east Asian countries and it is not only because of Kabadi Federation of India (KFI). Also, the same way some of North Indians and few southern parts of Indians got opportunity to migrate UK, Europe and Australia during freedom where they also carry not only the business/job but also sports like Hockey etc. where they used to play and which later recognized in around 1970 globally. Hockey become more popular than Kabadi because of “Icy Hockey” used to play some European countries from many centuries and it was become easy them to pick up our Hockey too.
Since there were easy to migrate those days without so many parameters required for Passport and Visa etc. it is their and our fortunes to be those sports in their list too. Now, if we play and try to introduce any new sport international level will take many decades even if we have communication facilities, also, every country try to introduce their home sport as we tries.
UK invented and spreads their most sports globally while they made their rule/colony wherever they reached in the past including India, but we, just migrated and spread our home game in the past (during freedom), that is the differences.
Here very important is, I am stating to get medals very soon for our country from the listed sports in such events….but not after many decades from those events when our home sports added later.
However, we will be more happy once our more sports added on their list too.
Thanks and regards,
Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 16 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 5 |
Hi Hafeezur,
Just to finish off this off-topic discussion:
1) “we will be more happy once our more sports added on their list too”.
I contradicted your statement:
“it will be better if authorities eliminate the sports categories in school which are not related to CWG/Olympic and International categories etc.” . Schools are the basic blocks for the development of a sport. So if you eliminate a sport from it you are simply killing it.
So I guess you will also agree to keep the traditional sports as it is. We can improve our listed Sports without eliminating the traditional ones.
2) “sport which determines medals for our country at present, including present and next generation comes, present sport may get old or outdated for next generation too.”
There is nothing one can do about the present. Do not go with the magic ideas of flipping the coin and India is on the top. Whatever solutions that are stated in this complete GD will improve Indian sports in the future and by future I mean over and above a decade.
K.Maheedhar
IIT Madras
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| | Author: m v lathkar 16 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
It is often said that participation is more important than winning. Indian sportsmen always seem to be looking to prove it right! A huge contingent, accompanied by same, if not more, number of officials, make a state sponsored trip to olympics destinations. Most of them get eliminated in preliminary rounds. What is more disgusting is that the participants can't even match their own performances, leave aside winning medals.
There's huge gap between world records and national record of most of track and field events. Bolt holds 100m sprint record at 9.58 sec, where as Anil Kumar, the national record holder timed 10.30 sec in 2005! some of the national records are standing for more than 30 years. So, that brings us to the original poser set by Jose Mathew - are we improving? the answer is clearly no. The world is far ahead of us in all olympics disciplines. As Maheendhar has said, the situation is not likely to change in near future. So, why send teamsto such tournaments at all? Why spend huge sums on irrelevent commonwealth Games?
So, what's the solution? I had cited in my earlier posts what China did in Sixties. China imposed a self moritorium on participation in international tournaments for more than two decades. During that period, it enhanced the skills of its athletes, and when it came back in 1984 Montreal Games, the world was shocked to see the progress China had clandestinely made. This is what India needs to do. Meaningless participaation and humiliation is sinking morale of Indian sports. Indian authorities should draw a long term plan of action twenty years down the line. If the plan is executed meticulously, the results are bound to come.
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 16 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi Maheedar,
1. Not to finish-off this GD as I stated “we will be more happy once our more sports added on their list too”
Ans: …it is just beginning…In addition to the above statement, “we will be more and more happy once our sport person won the medal from our own added sports category too apart from other sports categories, but let me clarify or explain you as below;
2. “it will be better if authorities eliminate the sports categories in school which are not related to CWG/Olympic and International categories etc.” . Schools are the basic blocks for the development of a sport. So if you eliminate a sport from it you are simply killing it.”
Ans: If you want to keep traditional any sport in school/college, and you want to add in Olympic/CWG/Asian game in future to participate in it for next generation, then at present do not try to blame present Government, Sport authorities and any Sport person or Citizen/Student for not participating in such International events and don’t tell us we won’t get any medal from this event. It is just because of we have seen so many statement from various channel that finally we used to blame on them for not getting medals in such events.
I have stated above sport topic keeping in mind, domestic and international past and present scenario in different aspects, also, there is no guarantee that our traditional game would add in future in such events.
3. So I guess you will also agree to keep the traditional sports as it is. We can improve our listed Sports without eliminating the traditional ones.
“sport which determines medals for our country at present, including present and next generation comes, present sport may get old or outdated for next generation too.”
There is nothing one can do about the present. Do not go with the magic ideas of flipping the coin and India is on the top. Whatever solutions that are stated in this complete GD will improve Indian sports in the future and by future I mean over and above a decade.
Ans: There is nothing to magic ideas of flipping the coin over here and shows off for India is on the top istead of improving present situation from all which can be effective present and future of sports results. I agree to keep the traditional sports in school/college when you provide some example other than sports like Hockey or Kabadi, it will let us know and determines our past (sport in school achieved), present (sport in school achieving) and future achievement on sport section from school/pupil.
“Whatever solutions that are stated in this complete GD will improve Indian sports in the future and by future I mean over and above a decade.”
Ans: This GD will reach many of course; it will be helpful if we follow them in practical but result will be after few decades, what about present event? Don’t you want any medal at present event?. The one who won medals for India from which sport? Indian traditional sport? Or International event listed sports? We can do everything about the present too…
Thanks and regards,
Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: Maheedhar Kaki 18 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Diamond | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi Hafeezur,
“do not try to blame present Government, Sport authorities and any Sport person or Citizen/Student for not participating in such International events and don’t tell us we won’t get any medal from this event”
I guess you haven’t been through my posts, I have never blamed anyone till now. I don’t blame the government as it is giving “Sports Quata” to secure the lives of Sports men. I don’t blame the Sports authorities as I think they are doing good job. It is just that there is not enough budget to fulfill all the sports and thus lesser infrastructure and cheaper coaches. I don’t blame the sportsperson as none of them would like to lose, everyone of them play for India and they put in their best efforts. But as I said, ‘lesser infrastructure and cheaper coaches’. And I don’t blame “students who do not participate in games related to international events and play traditional games”. Here I want to make myself clear “I do blame those who do not play at all” even after having the facilities in school. I do blame the parents who don’t enchorage the sportsmanship in their child. I do blame the society for not considering sports as a profession. And by sports I include the traditional games.
“there is no guarantee that our traditional game would add in future in such events”
Can you give a guarantee that Indian Cricket team, which is supposed to be the best sports in India , will win the World Cup next time? If yes, just tell us, we’ll all be relieved. And if no, then shall we call off sending our team to the world cup? The point is there is no guarantee for anything; we just have to try our best.
“when you provide some example other than sports like Hockey or Kabadi”
I thought of answering this in my last post but I just wanted to end the off-topic discussion so I didn’t. There are no other sports that made up to the international level and this adds up to the reason why we should encourage the traditional games and increase their number. Moreover comparing present India with the past India probably wouldn’t be correct. Past India was an under developing country but now we are a developed country . We can do many things that we couldn’t do earlier.
“Don’t you want any medal at present event?......... We can do everything about the present too”
Please if there is any thing we could do to improve our number of medals in 2010, please state it. It is not that I do not want medals at the present, but I just feel it is quite impossible to improve our sports in an year.
“The one who won medals for India from which sport? Indian traditional sport? Or International event listed sports?”
I have stated this before, but let me repeat myself once again. Introducing traditional games at International level is not to get easy points or medals. It is to glorify our culture throughout the world. It has literally nothing to do with the number of medals we get.
There are other means to improve our sports . The two main culprits of sports in India are:
1) Our economic condition : As it improves the budget for sports will improve and thus the sports itself. Since we cannot wait long we have to get money from other sources like private companies , NRI’s etc.
2) View of Society : Society should start accepting sports as a profession.
K.Maheedhar
IIT Madras
ISC DIAMOND MEMBER
Mentor for Engineering Entrance Exams
| | Author: Deepak Kumar Thakur 18 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
It's great honor for our country that we are hosting 2010 commonwealth games. But we have many problems to face to organize this game in India.
First problem to organize commonwealth games is terrorism. Today terrorism attacks are increased in India. All of us know about terror attacks in Mumbai & Parliament House new Delhi. A terrorist(Hedli)caught by our security agencies has already told that they have planned major terror attacks in India. So this game will organize in "black shadow" of terror attacks.
Second problem is politics in games. As we know politics is going very dirty in India. Politicians use there political power in games. They pressure to select there favorite or regional player in the team. This is the main reason to not select best players in our teams.
A big challenge to organize commonwealth games is to provide better facilities to players. We have to prevent players from illness & give them clean atmosphere, good food & drinks,etc.
We are hosting commonwealth games in India but we will remember that people of India mostly like cricket. So any series of cricket matches during this games will badly effect this games successful hosting.
| | Author: m v lathkar 18 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
To intervene in the hot exchanges between Hafeezur and Mahendhar, may I add following views:
Regarding introduction / withdrawl of sports ( Indian or 'listed' as Hafeezur calls) it is pathetic to see how the sports are treated in Schools. I come from a semi-urban town. Hence I know how listlessly the sports are looked upon. Schools don't have enough facillities. And if there are any, students are not seen on the ground.
Recently, govt of Maharashtra announced an incentive of 25 marks to students of 10th and 12th students who are into sports.This scheme, although is of noble intentions, is being grossly misused as many 'fake' players are able to produce certifiates of participation from the corrupt sports officials.
now if this is how sports are handled, be it Indian like Kabaddi or Olympics discplines like Football / Hockey etc., you can't hope to produce medal winners. I've been mentioning in my posts, and Maheendhar too, has rightly mentioned, the perspective of the society towards sports needs a drastic change.
Many countries in the world have taken excellence in sports very seriously. It is seen as the nation's economical and political clout in the world. India claims to be an emerging superpower. It needs to match its economical and political ambitions with performances on the sports arena too. But that wont happen with the present slapdisk manner of sports administration. A medal or two here and there would keep coming India's way. But a real concerted long term plan of action and an equally efficient execution of the plan is required for India to assert itself on the world's sports scene.
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| | Author: Hafeezur Rahman P 19 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 6 |
Hi All,
@ Mahee, 1. I am not personally blaming on you or anyone, but what I said is “we have seen so many statement from various channel that finally we used to blame on them for not getting medals in such events.” 2. I am not a predictor but personally I feel and guarantee that Indian cricket team will win the world cup sooner or little later as it is already in the progress and listed event. 3. If India is a developed country means few of Traditional games also would have been already in their lists other than Hockey/Kabadi, unfortunately it is not as such…4. I already mentioned the same reply above as you stated just now, but still we have time to get better result from already in their listed sports. 5. The same reply I also replied above saying “above minimum level sports infrastructure” in our country”, it doesn’t mean we can only sit and watch and can’t achieve anything.
Hi All, We love our country (patriotism) doesn’t mean we hate other countries, and, we like other countries few principle or rule doesn’t mean we hate our country’s principle. It applies for almost all section whether it could be sport or politics. It is general that if anything good from anyone, we can try to follow it if we are not practicing it.
I already expressed my different views over here in the same thread in different posts, I also don’t like to repeat the same one.
All the best for all participants / viewers, specially our country’s sport personalities…
Thanks and best wishes,
Hafeezur Rahman
| | Author: Amit Siwach 19 Nov 2009 | Member Level: Gold | Rating: Points: 5 |
Hi,
@M V Lathkar:
"Regarding introduction / withdrawl of sports ( Indian or 'listed' as Hafeezur calls) it is pathetic to see how the sports are treated in Schools"
I would just like to say gone are the days when sports is undertaken and now the circumstances has been changed drastically. Might be you are aware that there is always a quota in every fields for sportsman which is given to their extraordinary performance in the game.
I have met several of person who had benefit of their sports and playing a great role in their service with their sports. I have seen such fantastic records for person who are selected in various government jobs due to their sports record and calibre besides having very low education record.
Schools and colleges always support a good sports person. If you goto any central schools and sport schools which only produces sports persons and they in deed serves in a great manner.
This fully and totally depends upon a person who takes his game on priority and neglect the other things but their are not much faces which try to dominate their 100%. This make less sportsman spirit.
Regards
Amit Siwach
ISC Gold Member
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