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Posted Date: 18 May 2012 Posted By:: Mainak Member Level: Silver Member Rank: 2486 Points: 4
The very moment I became a member of this site, I got the impression that in this forum we follow excellent writing standard.But alas within a few days I was proved wrong. I came across a lot of stuff which are really poor and does not meet the basic standard of writing.I could see sentences which does not follow basic grammar and thus does not make any sense to the reader.
Are the editors of this site listening?
|#317637 Author: Ankit Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 140 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 2|
ISC forum is a largely unmoderated place. Here, members help each other to improve other member's English. Editors are not directly responsible for it and if they do help, then they help as a regular member of ISC and not because of any responsibility.
Moreover, ISC is "India" study channel, it has 99% of its members are Indians who do not have their first language as English, therefore, it is impossible for us to expect perfect English. We all are here to help each other to improve our English and not to put up a authoritarian running on site to discourage members having imperfect English.
|#317639 Author: Gypsy Member Level: Diamond Member Rank: 9 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 4|
ISC does not discriminate against the members for not being perfect in English, on the contrary it gives us members a platform to improve our English and writing skills. In my view, every body makes mistakes be it in grammar or sentence construction, once in a while. It can be due to different reasons. For example you have also made a couple of mistakes in the above forum posts of yours and most probably I may also make some mistakes while writing this response.
So, should ISC ban all such members who make mistakes while writing, in your view? I do not think so. In fact nobody is perfect. Every body makes mistakes, some time or the other, but the wiser ones learn from their mistakes.
|#317661 Author: Mainak Member Level: Silver Member Rank: 2486 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 1|
I have never said that ISC should ban those posts which does not follow ABC's of grammar. My point is these posts should be rectified either by the editor of this site or by the contributor himself.So that we can learn from our mistakes.
But unfortunately the posts are getting published having the error as it is.In that case how do you expect to learn?
But if learning is secondary and gaining points and earning money is primary then it's another thing.
|#317662 Author: Mainak Member Level: Silver Member Rank: 2486 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 1|
Thanks for your response.
If it's not editor's responsibility to rectify the posts then why do we have the concept of 'editors' here. Is it really needed?
And as mentioned earlier the posts are published with errors and thus it does not give any chance for the contributor to learn.
Do we have any system by which we notify the contributor about the errors present in the post before it gets actually published?
If I am not wrong then there is no such mechanism. At most the post will be deleted or it will be in 'To be approved' state , without informing the contributor the reason behind this.
|#317664 Author: Gypsy Member Level: Diamond Member Rank: 9 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 5|
I appreciate your concern that whatever is appearing on the site should have proper grammar and vocabulary etc. But, why do members expect an Editor to do that for them? Should not the member himself take pains in rectifying the errors? There are certain programs whereby members can check their post and rectify the mistakes such as MS Word or so many sites on net, which help in checking grammar and spellings.
Or, another way of learning about your mistakes is that some other member points out your mistakes and then you do not commit them next time. But, the problem with this is that if some member points out the mistake in one's write-up, one can take it in other way. He/she may mind it.
Of course, your assessment is 100% right that almost every one(except the few countable on your fingertips) is just trying to garner as many points as possible without giving proper care to writing in proper English. The admins are just paying attention on Resources, which is the main bread and butter for the site.
By the way, would you not mind if I correct some of the grammatical mistakes you have made in this thread? To start with, you should write gypsy as Gypsy, as you are addressing a person by that word and it is my screen name.
|#317665 Author: Ankit Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 140 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 3|
Please read my first response- Forum is largely unmoderated section.
ISC has few more important section which are focused for earning purposes and those are completely moderated and the need of editor arises there.
Though we have forum editors but their main task is to help in clearing of members doubts and to allot cash to good posts in forum as a way of appreciation. They do not approve each forum post.
Each post in all other section goes through an approval process but as forum is a realtime interactive place we cannot moderate each and every post. We only look for posts which might be against ISC or Google Adsense rules and correct or delete them, other than that forum remains an open section without much interference from editors or the Webmasters.
|#317690 Author: Sun Member Level: Diamond Member Rank: 14 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 4|
As said by all, ISC is a good platform to learn better English and improve our English writing skill. Every member who is very good in English language can check other members mistake and guide them with correct English. However, it is possible only by senior level members holding the rank of gold and above who have the facilities to send personal mail to other members. It may not be appropriate to check and correct a member's English in the forum post itself as the erring member would feel bad. It is wise to point out the mistakes through personal mail. It can be done by anyone and does not rest with the editor alone. You can also do the job of a good ISC member after attaining the gold level.
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Hard work never fails to yield good results.
Let us learn good English through ISC.
|#317691 Author: Iti Tyagi Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 275 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 4|
I think the forum section allows one to improve, no one is good at jotting down their thoughts so well. It will be better to be flexible as most of the people from Haryana, U.P like me are not so in a habit of writing superb English, we tend to make mistakes so we expect a bit of flexibility so that we all can learn. Also I like the way editors are handling such situations, earlier we used to asked the person to give us the link of that page where one feels like complaining but look how nicely they have been taking care of posts and forum responses.When ever many of my juniors make some sort of mistake , I personally message them, buddy you can try the same.
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|#317705 Author: Freddy Thomson Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 209 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 4|
ISC forum is the best platform for developing your English skills. As a new member you observation is worthy and appreciating you for opening up this thread. Anyhow, editors here are for the cash allotment and doubt clearance. They don't take initiative in correction. It is so because forum section is the place of self study and others help to improve. If you find mistake in a thread help him from your part. That co relationship is promoted here. Editors work on their part and we members are the real editors to guide the members who go wrong. so study and teach, it is the policy of forum section.
There is not substitute for hard work and no shortcut to success.
|#317721 Author: Lienda Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 180 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 5|
Forum section provides a platform for the members to improve their language and writing skills. Most of the members aren't expert degree holder in English that they all will write fluent no grammatical mistakes sentences here. We all have come here to learn new ways of writing and to improve our writing skills and to have a good hold over our English. If you find any grammatical mistakes as well as spelling mistakes then take the initiative to send a personal polite message to that member pointing out his/her mistakes and also suggesting some ways to improve their language.
Forum section provides a place for the new members to express themselves in a much innovative way and also helps them to pave their way to learn proper English. Editor do look after this sector but not too strictly like other sections. Here members help members to improve, learn and to share.
"When winter comes, can spring be far behind"
|#317726 Author: Veena Sharma Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 125 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 2|
Yes I do agree with Anike; that we are here to help each other by improving some of the English; so that we can post good quality resources and from threads; that is the reason we are all here.
|#317736 Author: Vandana Member Level: Platinum Member Rank: 8 Date: 18/May/2012 Rating: Points: 5|
It is good to have healthy criticism from members as it invites great discussions, which is exactly the purpose of our Forum.
I would like you to first see Tony Sir's response #173032 in a similar thread that was initiated in Jan.2011: Please save ISC.
Secondly, you state "the posts are published with errors and thus it does not give any chance for the contributor to learn." Hence, I would like to point out the mistakes in your own thread:
The very moment I became a member of this site, I got the impression that in this forum we follow excellent writing standard [this is incorrect: it should be excellent writing standards or an excellent writing standard].But alas within a few days I was proved wrong.[avoid starting a sentence with But and there should be a comma after alas]. I came across a lot of stuff which are really poor and does not meet the basic standard of writing.[ it should be stuff which is really poor]. I could see sentences which does not follow basic grammar and thus does not make any sense to the reader [ it should be: I could see sentences which do not follow basic grammar and thus do not make any sense to the reader].
~ an editor has corrected your post! An editor who has got lots of other editing work to do but still has the patience & the time to correct your English. So, you see, editors (and other members too) do from time to time take a little time & effort to help others improve their English. Do you know that in fact it is because of such members that those with poor English skills have gone on to post really good articles? These members too have won awards in resource writing contests. This proves that we neither make fun of those with poor English skills nor belittle the posts of any member due to poor English. Since we expect good standards of English in the resource section (not high standards but good enough), we allow members a free reign in the forum to write in the way they can so that this forum becomes a springboard for better standards.
[I would also like to inform you of the forum footer: this feature is available at your profile page. Please use it to put in 'Regards....' so that you don't need to type it at the end of every forum thread & response]
|#317756 Author: Sachin Rambhau Kukale Member Level: Gold Member Rank: 181 Date: 19/May/2012 Rating: Points: 4|
I think now you are satisfied with the answer. I am not intending to heart you in anyway, but members who contribute to ISC use English as their second or third language and so some mistakes will happen initially. If see the posts of diamond or platinum level members then you will see that everyone has improved his/her English and grammar set from the moment they started using ISC.
So please be patient. Everyone in this world may not as intelligent as you, but it doesn't mean that he/she has no value or no opinion. Also I know that ISC editors are very strict to follow ISC guidelines, which also include following correct grammar as I have edited my first article for 15 times to get approval from ISC.
Regards Sachin R. Kukale
Forum & Ask expert Section Editor.
|#318170 Author: Mainak Member Level: Silver Member Rank: 2486 Date: 21/May/2012 Rating: Points: 1|
I thank each and everyone of you for making things clear.
My sincere thanks goes to Ankit for explaining in well appreciated manner.
I also would like to thank Vandana for sparing some of her precious time !!
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