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    Why the democratic institutions were demoralized by BJP government?

    CBI is known to be one of the finest democratically functioning institutions equivalent to our Supreme Court. But the ruling political parties are making these democratic independent setups loose morality and credentials by involving their in their functionaries. Mr.Modi has promised the people that BJP government clean the functioning all democratic institutions of India without involving politics in their functioning. But Mr.Modi team recruited Mr.Asthana a junior cadre in CBI for the top most post in CBI. Mr.Alok Verma known to be a sincere and honest CBI officer is divested from his duties by BjP government on the behest of malicious propaganda carried out by Mr.Mr.Asthana on Mr.Alok. Interestingly Mr.Asthana himself facing many scandals which were filed by CBI department itself. Mr.Modi's team recruited Mr.Asthana basing on he is a Gujarat native, he dealt with Godhra case, and fodder scam case. Do you think by taking political interests and involvement BJP demoralizing the democratic set ups of the country?
  • #651714
    No comment on the ongoing organizational issues in CBI. But only day before yesterday, a thread on the same issue has been raised.
    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651728
    The matter is already in the Supreme Court and we can wait for the outcome from the court.
    The interference of the Indian government in these matters is not a new issue and there are instances where the earlier governments are also conducted such acts and finally paid with the penalty.
    If the present government also indulging in such acts there is no way they will escape from paying the penalty. But without knowing the facts and without knowing the complete issue commenting on the government and discussing on the matters which are before the court may not be fair in my opinion. But the culprits in these malpractices should be punished and the law is there which is doing its duty perfectly and I strongly believe in the same.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #651730
    The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) was once described as a "caged parrot" and "it's masters voice" by a Supreme Court Judge. The same thing is continuing. The Government in power then denied the comment and the present Government will also say the same thing. The matter is before the court and a time-bound investigation by Central Vigilance Commission under the supervision of a retired Supreme Court Judge is ordered. The interim Chief of CBI was asked not to take any policy decisions and also to submit all the decisions taken by him after the mid-night coup at CBI. The fact that the Supreme Court ordered an investigation by CVC under the supervision of a retired SC Judge indicates its apprehensions. Let us wait and see the outcome of the case.

    Sometime back four Judges of the Supreme Court went public about the interference in the judiciary. Now CBI. There is another case about the procedure followed in the purchase of Rafael deal. A few days back, the Deputy Governor of Reserve Bank of India talked of the interference of the Government in the functioning of the RBI. The Enforcement Directorate and the Income Tax Department are very active in raiding the economic offenders. It is very good except for the fact that all are against the persons or organizations opposed to the Government.

    It is not BJP alone, the Congress party also guilty of all these acts. A precedent cannot be an excuse for repeating the same mistakes.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #651732
    "Sometime back four Judges of the Supreme Court went public about the interference in the judiciary."--------------The statement is totally incorrect. The press conference was a complaint of the four judges against the then Chief Justice. Basically, the complaint was that the then Chief Justice had not been giving important cases to these four judges. In spite of the press conference, the Chief Justice himself governed the roster throughout his tenure. Now, one of those four Judges has become the Chief Justice and he has also been doing the same thing, i.e., he is himself managing the roster. There was no issue regarding interference of the Government in Judiciary. The Member is intentionally giving a twist, thinking nobody would protest/comment.

    I reiterate that I won't comment on the present CBI issue, but it appears (from the responses) that many members including the initiator have not done an in-depth analysis, or, are not mentioning the correct facts.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651734
    I am not intentionally giving a twist. I am wrong about the four judges going public about the interference but can anyone deny the letter of Ex-Justice Chalameswar to Ex-Chief Justice of India about the interference of the Government in accepting recommendations of the Supreme Court Collegium for the appointment of judges to high courts? In the letter, Justice Chalameswar said that the Government chooses to ignore or defer the names it finds uncomfortable and thereby affecting the independence of the judiciary. How can we forget Ex-CJI of India who was alleged by the four senior judges that important cases were not given to the senior judges bypassing the established traditions in the court? All this benefitted whom?
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #651735
    The High Court Judge about whom now Retired Justice Chelmeshwar wrote, has been inducted in the Supreme Court.

    "How can we forget Ex-CJI of India who was alleged by the four senior judges that important cases were not given to the senior judges bypassing the established traditions in the court? All this benefitted whom?"----------------This is nothing but insinuation. After the press conference, the so-called junior Judges strongly condemned this allegation and used strong words against those four judges in the customary tea-party in Chief Justice's residence. This was reported in the newspapers but did not get due importance.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651736
    1. "Mr.Modi's team recruited Mr.Asthana basing on he is a Gujarat native" (main thread)---------Mr. Asthana is a Gujarat cadre IPS Officer.

    2. The present CBI Director Alok Verma (DoB: 14th July, 1957) has already crossed 60. He is going to retire in normal course very soon. On the other hand, Mr. Asthana is also a very senior IPS Officer of 1984 batch. So, the statement "But Mr.Modi team recruited Mr.Asthana a junior cadre in CBI for the top most post in CBI" is a factually inaccurate statement.

    I would request the Member who has raised this thread to first study in-depth, and then raise threads on important issues like this. Otherwise, he will go on raising such ridiculous threads.

    I am not going to discuss the issues relating to CBI. But, the Editors may consider locking this thread considering the sensitivities involved and the incomplete information which most Members have.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651741
    The title of the thread is somewhat confusing and directly linking the present dispensation. In India, it is alleged that successive governments used the investigating agencies according to their suitability and few years earlier the CBI was termed as 'caged parrot' by the top court.

    In this particular thread the author has said "But the ruling political parties are making these democratic independent setups loose morality and credentials by involving their in their functionaries". This indicates that the ruling dispensation, be it BJP, Congress or any other party indulges in the same thing and accusing only BJP for interference is not justified.

    Let's keep all these allegations and counter allegations aside since the Supreme Court is hearing the matter and ordered CVC to probe it. This is election time and all the political parties in the opposition are upbeat to make the happenings of CBI an issue. At least we should not make this an issue and jump to conclusions.

    Sankalan

    "Life is easier when you enjoy what you do"

  • #651747
    All the political parties are the same. The BJP attracts criticism because it takes a high moral ground while doing what the other parties did. This double talk makes it a target of criticism. In the case of CBI, no one is jumping to conclusions. It is unfortunate that the premier investigating agency is now being probed. Everyone is waiting for the outcome of the court judgment.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #651749
    Mr.Sankalan, Keeping the present happenings aside, in all media there is a lot of talk regarding how Mr. Asthana has risen to top most position due to Gujarat cadre affiliation. It also clear Mr.Asthana was involved in bribery case which CBI itself has filed the case. So that there is a clear cut involvement of politics in recruitment of CBI posts. At midnight sudden dismissal of two CBI officers at one pen stroke sending away two senior officers without following proper official procedures indicate how much politics involed in this case telling. As said earlier by Mr.KVRR a precedence cannot be an excuse for repeating the mistakes is a well said thing.

  • #651751
    "At midnight sudden dismissal of two CBI officers at one pen stroke sending away two senior officers without following proper official procedures indicate how much politics involed in this case telling."--------------------Uhhhh! Terrible!

    Who has been dismissed? Who has been sent away? Isn't it laughable?

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651752

    Author has raised an important issue that the working of democratic institutions is being affected by the political motives of the ruling party.

    Only the coming times will tell whether the apprehensions of the author have some merit or not but the main issue is whether the Govt should interfere in the working of these institutions on one pretext or other. If Govt is doing that for it's own political mileage then it is going to be a very serious matter for all of us.


    Knowledge is power.

  • #651759
    #651749, @ Mr Ramakrishna, I do agree with you that Mr. Asthana is facing charges in the CBI itself but most of the media are biased. It's hard to find a neutral one and all these issues about charges against different officials of CBI are coming out now only after the feud between the two top officials.

    If the promotion of Mr. Asthana or his domicile of origin is a real concern, then why the media who are creating a hue and cry now were silent before that? It's very surprising that how all of these confidential internal matters, if at all they are true, of the premier investigating agency are coming outside of the organization and we will be able to know the truth only after a thorough probe. Till all these issues are proved, they will remain just allegations.

    Sankalan

    "Life is easier when you enjoy what you do"

  • #651772

    It is not demoralization but Democratic Institution to be controlled in manner totalitarian state. Our BJP government is trying to control every thing. When we try to overpower certain institutes problems comes like this in current CBI situation. In CBI it seems one of executive and its team is not following the order of government and because of this the situation is created in such a manner, so that both officers is removed with immediate effect. Government is trying coverup many cases which many leads to very bad situation, if exposed. It also feels that During period of Mr Modi was CM of Gujarat, these officer may have many secrets due to which government is getting blackmailed.

  • #651790
    If the author could come up with the role of the Modi led government which is inappropriate & unjustified along with the actions which should have been adopted by the present government because few times back the Congress party & others were more concern of about why the government is not taking any actions & than when the action is taken then again raising the questions of about why proper timing & considerations couldn't be taken or allowed. So confused on the stand of the opposition parties & of the seculars & with most of the media. Don't we feel that instead of coming-up with our own perceptions, it would be far better to go through the various debates in the different news channels having the spokespersons of the all concern parties in the active politics or else we are working with a very small intelligence with focusing only on what seems appropriate to us. We know that we are biased to our thoughts for whatever means & therefore doesn't make any sense. However if one feel good than they can go ahead with more discussions in their own ways but what about the realities then?


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