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    How do you refer the term “secularism”?

    I don't know about many of yours but the term "secularism" is quite irritating for me now. Almost all the existing political parties in the Indian scenario call & refer themselves as "secular" but their approach towards this term is in contradiction to the exact meaning of its terminology. I am saying so because any of them have created tendencies of moderate attitude towards a certain sections of society which is evidently visible during the times they come out for campaigning. What is more confusing here is that they already shown them as biased & therefore how come that they still carries the right in declaring themselves as "secular"?

    My question is, whether they are intelligent enough to convince us about them as secular or instead we are fool enough to not to understand this?
  • #651889
    Actually we are fool to understand it and favour them. We in India don't understand that these political parties can't stand anywhere if we don't vote them.

    They make us fool by sqying that they are secular parties but they are not as they know if they target specific people from the whole population they may be able to get votes at least from them and will ultimately do well in the elections.

    They know they fool people by doing this but still they think people don't understand their work but they don't know that we common people understand everything but don't oppose or show our reactions.

    Sanjeev

    " It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not" ... Andre Gide

  • #651897
    It is quite natural that every right-thinking person would find this word irritating. In actuality, secularism is a western concept. It denotes the separation of religion from the affairs of the nation-state. In India, Nehruvian secularism means equal respect for all religions, which is not practically feasible.

    The meaning of this word has been further diluted now. Nowadays, in the present Indian context, secularism is appeasement of the followers of two particular communities and ridiculing the followers of Hinduism.

    Not only Hindus but all right-thinking people even from other communities also are now tired of Indian secularism.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651904
    Whenever something is new to people, there is a tendency of many to flaunt them. I think the term secularism is comparatively knew to the politicians in this country and they try to draw attention of others without knowing the actual meaning.

    Those who are aware of the right meaning of the term know that Indian politics is based on appeasement and when a lot of people are living in poverty and without proper education, it is much easier to allure them with something in which there will be unity.

    Political parties will find different ways to project themselves more secular than the other and the common men will be the ultimate sufferer. If politicians do not use the term 'secularism' then I think there will be much more harmony among people and they will carry on their job without thinking about cast, creed or religion. For example, during a general conversation with people do we at all discuss about secularism? It is the politicians who rake up the issue of secularism to instigate a section of people.

    Sankalan

    "Life is easier when you enjoy what you do"

  • #651923
    The word 'secularism' is being used very frequently in our country. All politicians say our country is a secular country. But whenever I hear this I feel irritated. Truly speaking I feel always we are not living in a real secular condition. Only politicians use this word very intelligently for obtaining some votes and victory. Actually, I feel in our country there are no equal opportunities to all the religions. With an intention of getting votes always politicians are trying to support some and ultimately the remaining people are suffering.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #651932
    Perhaps, this has been discussed in different platforms. Even now every politician use this term as an 'ornamental' adjective when referring to our Nation. In our Constitution, it is declared India as a sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic republic assuring its citizens justice, equality and liberty and endeavours to promote fraternity.
    In fact what is happening? The word secular is is used in public. When we approach personally for any genuine case, the concerned authorities forget this word secular. Very often decisions will be based on religion or caste. During elections the seats are allocated depending on the strength of communities in that constituency. In private talks all are giving importance to caste and religion, when assessing a person. In offices also these play a role.
    In fact the term secularism is not considered in any matters. Even when a new person is got in touch with the interest will be to know to which caste/ religion he belongs. In short the term has become an ornamental adjective to our Nation.

    T.M.Sankaran
    Gold Member ISC

  • #651937
    In this connection, it would be pertinent to mention an analysis of Mr. Kanu Agarwal, a Supreme Court Lawyer. He has raised ten questions and the answers to those questions (community-wise) are as under:-

    1. First question: Are places of worship controlled by state governments? For the Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    2. Second question: Can more places of worship be brought under government control? For Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    3. Does government manage places of worship's finances? For the Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    4. Does government manage places of worship's administration including religious rituals? For Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    5. Is the income of the places of worship taxed? For Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    6. Can Government interfere in the management of educational institutions run by religious bodies? For Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    7. Can government use place of worship income for other purposes? For Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.
    8. Can government dispose or sell off places of worship's assets? For Hindus, the answer is yes. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is no.

    But.......

    9. Do the practitioners have a say in the management of places of religious affairs? For Hindus, the answer is no. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is yes.
    10. Can educational institutions run by religious bodies discriminate in the hiring of teachers, other staff and admission of students? For Hindus, the answer is no. For Muslims, Christians and Sikhs, the answer is yes.

    These ten questions and their community-wise answers clearly point out the nature of secularism in India.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651939
    #651937 / Partha K, shocking but a fact. What can be withdrawn from the recent judgment on Ram temple. As per news, only it took 60 seconds for the judge to determine that the issue of Ram temple is not relevant & the further hearing has been delayed till Jan'19 but the date is not fixed yet. But In one of its instance, the Supreme Court was opened for judges to hear at 3 AM, the final plea against the execution of Yakub Memon for his role in the 1993 Mumbai blasts case.

  • #651940
    The time has come to speak the truth. The Constitution is not above the Country. If we think that any particular provision creates a problem for the people, that provision must be amended. The provision of secularism is increasing the division among communities, so, this provision is required to be discarded.
    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #651943
    #651937, @ Mr. Partha, all these questions and answers in the analysis, if true, are really a cause of concern and it will be hard to eradicate all these biases at one go. As long as this kind of bias remains within the different communities and religions, we cannot expect harmony among people.

    Amendment of constitution is always necessary to get rid of some archaic laws and while framing laws it has to be in the mind of the lawmakers to enact laws those are implementable. When a law cannot be implemented, there is no point in framing those laws.

    As I have already said that the political parties are in a competition to make their image more secular than the other party and a widespread movement is required to amend the rules which are biased towards certain communities. If that cannot be done then the term 'secularism' will always be misused.

    Sankalan

    "Life is easier when you enjoy what you do"

  • #651944
    Mr. Bhattacharya: So far as the questions and answers are concerned, I can give the link of the article for kind perusal. The link is: https://www.sanskritimagazine.com/newsworthy/is-indian-constitution-secular-to-hindus/

    So far as the amendment of Constitution is concerned, many a time Constitution has been amended because of popular demands. Many new states have been created, many new languages have been included in the Schedule, OBCs are now getting the benefits of reservation. Then why not this provision?

    Let us think rationally. Let us call a spade a spade.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #652059
    The word "Secular" is a very meaningful one. It is a desired aspect in any responsible person. The political parties using it for their vote bank benefit is condemnable. Such political parties misusing this term for their benefit may be punished in the coming elections. A person who gets irritated by this very term"secular" may be a person who does not respect the other religions and a religious fanatic. One has to practice his own religion and at the same time respect others religion. The intolerance causes disharmony in society and not good for a secular country like India.
    Anyone can google" are religious institutions income in India is taxable or not?" and get correct information to such a question.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #652061
    "One has to practice his own religion and at the same time respect others religion. "--------Is it the responsibility of one community only? If this is so, then such a distorted form of secularism must be discarded.

    A rational person gets irritated by the term when the term is blatantly misused, like what is happening in India.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #652064
    Why these questions (#651937) are coming up? May be due to bad policies of the Govts ?The answers for the questions should be same for all religious groups.
    You are free to do anything as long as it doesn't harm others. All are equal in the eyes of law.
    Just think, why religions are to be regulated? Are they not behaving as a public entity? Are they threatening the existence of anybody?
    Who can keep religion and State as separate entities?

    I love chocolates and ice creams!

  • #652070
    #652059/ KVRR, could you pl. put some more light on about how should I be practicing in a way that I look more secular than others. Being a Hindu, do I need to use the attire of the other religions such as of Islam or Christianity & do I also need to visit their places to attend their functions or do I need to use the type of foods that they use & only thereafter that I can be believed to be true followers of "secularism" is what making me irritating. Why one sided secularism only? is what irritating to me.

  • #652073
    Mr. V.P. Anand, I cannot help you in what you are asking. You have to find the answers for yourself to the best of your knowledge. You have to analyze by yourself and come to a conclusion.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #652077
    I am giving an example to show the way secularism works in India. During the Muslim month of Ramzan, 'secular' political leaders take part in Iftaar parties with much fanfare and photo-ops, of course without observing fast. On the other hand, an AIMIM leader uttered 'Ganpati Bappa Moriya' during the last Ganesh Chaturthi festival and on the next day, asked his co-religionists to forgive him for this 'sin'.

    This is the way Indian secularism functions. No wonder,, some people get irritated by a mere mention of this word.

    Beware! I question everything and everybody.

  • #652081
    What we are really missing is that in proportion few have got the mindset which act & move as per the benefits drawn from it. These benefits are not selfless but only centered completely around self & during this the others are always ignored of or negotiated with which although we are all aware of but still unable to implement & execute the same on our end. The outcome is that we suffer while the others enjoy.

    If we take a note of then few of the politicians became millionaires while for the individuals or the community or the belief of whom they raised the concern for are still lying there & the same again prepared to caste vote for them. The blame just goes to us & to us only.


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