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    221 meter high Lord Ram statue in Uttar Pradesh

    The Uttar Pradesh Government announced the construction of Lord Rama statue on the banks of Sarayu river. This statue will dwarf the statue of Sardar Patel in Gujarat. The overall height of the statue will be 221 meters. The statue will be 151 meters, pedestal 50 meters and the Umbrella over the statue will be of height 20 meters. The location and the funding are yet to be announced by the Uttar Pradesh Government.

    In our country, many of the people are below the poverty line. They are without basic necessities like food and shelter. The Uttar Pradesh State is not having enough revenue to sustain by itself. Mr. Adityanath, the Chief Minister, without considering the development of the State is plundering the money on projects like this. Hope the State Government will focus on the development of the State and its people.
  • #653685
    It will be good If UP Government can provide employment for 8000 to 10,000 people by this project as rate of unemployment is very high as of now.

  • #653686
    Let me try to logically answer the question which the thread poses.

    (a) Till now, there is no 221 meters high Ram Setu in Ayodhya, in any other part of Uttar Pradesh, in any other part of India or even anywhere in the world.
    (b) Even then, there is so much poverty in Ayodhya, in UP, in India and in the world.
    (c) So, what is the reason behind such poverty?

    (i) On the other hand, in ancient India, there were grand temples everywhere in North, South, East and West.
    (ii) Yesterday, I read that at the beginning of Mughal era, India contributed 34.5% of the GDP of the entire world (even after plunder and loot of Pathans/Pushtuns for 350 years).

    (I) So, is the construction of temples or statues of Gods reason for poverty? No, a firm no.
    (II) Let us wipe out corruption. Let the politicians in particular and people in general work honestly with correct planning and proper implementation. Poverty will be wiped out.

    Let us not blame the construction of temples and statues for the poverty. People are intelligent enough to point out the bluff.

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653688
    In few days India will become a country of statues. I wonder what will happen by constructing statues in the country.

    " The two most important days in your life are the day when you are born and the day you find out why? ”
    – Mark Twain

  • #653690
    The Patel statue, the statue of unity is bringing a huge number of visitors everyday and is bringing lacs to the government. If this Lord Ram statue can do the same, then no worries. These kind of places are necessary. UP thrives on its tourism revenue. This statue will be a grand addition to UP. I was very negative at this thought too in the beginning but as I thought more and more about it, this seemed like a good idea. And its not like present conditions are rough too. We are in a good year according to government. So maybe we can fund this project. I don't think the other religions will feel...offended? Is that the word? See...only Hinduism is the idol worshipping religion of India. Though we see various Buddhist and Jain sculptures, the very scriptures of those religions say no to idol worship. Islam and Christianity prohibit idol worship. Our small steady Parsee population worship fire. So this project should not sound bitter to anyone. May this project bring tourists and prosperity to our nation if it gets support.
    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #653692
    In India it is not new to have statues. In every street, in every village, in every town and in every city we will find statues of various political leaders. We will also find many places of worship in almost all villages, towns and cities. It is aldo a similar one. But the only special issue is the size.
    As mentioned by other members, this project will generate employment to good number of people. Once the statue is ready it will attract pilgrims and tourists. That will generate revenue and recover the money spent. Then it will start earning and chances of getting foreign exchange will aldo be there. As such I think we need not worry about the money spent on this project. There are many other things to be controlled so that fast development will take place.

    always confident

  • #653697
    After going through the responses of the members. I am now convinced that building bigger statues is more beneficial to the country contrary to my opinion until now. The poverty was there without statues and may not be there after building the statues. By building more number of statues, India may contribute more than 35% of the GDP of the entire world. The employment potential will develop leaps and bounds by resorting to the building of big statues. If every State Government and the Central Government(in the case of Union Territories) start two statues at a time, the unemployment problem will be solved to a large extent. The capital will be necessary for the first batch of statues. For the second batch onwards, the income generated from the first batch of statues can be used for the constructions. There will be a lot of foreign exchange earnings also which will help us in lessening the burden on importing crude oil.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653698
    Exactly. Indian tourism industry has huge untapped potential. Statues will further augment the revenue generating potential.

    Let's do it!

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653700
    It is quite an interesting business proposition. Build statues from the taxpayer's money and then ask the same taxpayers to pay further money to visit the same statues which they have sponsored.

    After all, statues and temple only can generate employment in our country. Expenditure on education, healthcare and industries are a total waste of money. That is why they form such a small part of budget allocation by both State and Center.

  • #653701
    "Expenditure on education, healthcare and industries are a total waste of money. "-----------The Hon'ble Chief Minister of West Bengal, Ms.Mamata Banerjee is a firm believer of this theory. So, everywhere, she has been using her own portrait, poster or bust, even in the recently-held International Film Festival.
    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653704
    Mr. Ankit, do not underestimate the value of statues. Just wait for 200 to 300 years, the income generated will take care of the health and education of the poor. Industries are a total waste. They create pollution and spoil the health of the public.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653707
    #653701 - That's good. Looks like all politicians are taking a cue on what is more required in our country. However, I am a little confused about how healthcare, industries and education are linked to busts and posters. If somebody wants to start a college or a hospital and wants to name it under a politician name I am all for it.

    #653704 - You are absolutely right. What can be more fulfilling for a hungry stomach that a stone statue, more educational than an unmoving piece of sculpture which glories our history and more healthy than the proud feeling we will get by seeing the tallest structures of the world in our country. I am impressed!

  • #653714
    I like the little twist given to the discussion. I clearly state that building statues won't aggravate the poverty. Further, I also note with amazement that the intellectuals who are so much concerned about the poverty of people of UP, never objected to the innumerable statues of elephants and behenji during the reign of BSP (It is only an example. There are many such examples of hypocrisy.)

    I again state with all humility that nowadays people are educated and get information from various sources. They can't be easily bluffed. So, hypocrisy won't be that effective.

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653716
    Ye sir, the people are getting the information from various sources. It is difficult to fool them with statues and other things like name changing of towns which do not mitigate their problems. Once fooled cannot be fooled forever. Behenji is also at fault but not to the 200 meters height.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653718
    Severe poverty in UP?
    Are majority of the people living there without basic necessity like food and shelter in UP?
    I don't think so.
    I understand, infrastructure facilities in UP are not as bad as what people projecting here.National highways and rail tracks are highest in UP. Yamuna Expressway is one of the best highways in India. They are having Metro rail services at Lucknow and proposing in other cities like Agra, Meerut, and Kanpur etc. UP is the state receiving the highest remittances.
    I don't think that the people of UP are not that much poor/starving and lacking basic facilities to have a tourism project worth Rs 3000 Crores+ that was announced by CM!

  • #653719
    When hundreds of crores of rupees were being spent to build terrible statues of hathi and behen, were the secu-libu brigade members enjoying a holiday in China or in Switzerland? How many protests did we see at that time?

    Hypocrisy! Pure Hypocrisy.

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653720
    @ Neeraj: I did not mention that there is severe poverty in U.P. Go through the content of my thread again. "The Uttar Pradesh State is not having enough revenue to sustain by itself. " This is what I mentioned. Nearly 40% of the population of U.P. are poor according to the Rangarajan Committee report of 2011. The U.P State cannot overlook the welfare of the 40% of people for political gimmicks. I can understand a statue of Lord Rama in Ayodhya but not of 221 meters in height. Why this obsession with tall statues. It makes no sense. This is not a tourism project but a politically motivated project for polarising the voters ahead of next year general elections.

    @653719: Did you protest when Behenji was on statue building spree? If so on which platform? Everyone felt bad about those statues by Behenji. What the narrow-minded, intolerant group was doing then?

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653722
    One of the things I enjoy the most is sarcasm and wow am I enjoying it in this thread. I've always felt sarcasm lacking in our website. Now I am so happy.
    The stronger a light shines the darker are the shadows around it.

  • #653724
    If 40 % of population of UP are below poverty line, How they conducted the Formula 1 Race event at Budh International circuit by spending $400 million in 2011?

  • #653730

    Just because the name of Lord Rama attached to the statue we are bound to support the move !!! Let's us look at this decision critically. Some members says that it will attract the tourism in the city. Like Sardar Patel statue. But the cost spent on the construction involved will take years to recover if we compare the revenue generated by the most famous structure in our country. As we already have many statue and tempples in country. There is no need to add more. Our government should focus on ground issuea on war basis 1. Farmers 2. Students 3. Teachers 4. Enemployed 5. Backwards 6. Women and children 7. Health etc should be focused.

    #653724 This happens in the same way as we organised cricket and other games. Organising a game doesn't mean the region or a country do not have problem.

    Well done is better than well said

  • #653731
    Making baseless accusations are the hallmark of a seasoned troll.
    #653719 - I remember even more noise when BSP wasted money in building the memorial. The state Government even had to defend the expenditure by naming it cultural expenditure in the budget. That didn't mean there was less condemnation from any quarter.
    Even at ISC there were many threads calling it a wastage -

    But then false news and accusations are what some people thrive on. Before any further lies are created, let me remind that except me there no other participant of this thread was a member of ISC back when BSP was in power in U.P. How can someone expect criticism from that time from a non-existing member is beyond my intellect. Maybe a troll can come with an explanation for that too. And as for me, I was a college student back then not much aware of politics. But even then I remember criticizing the BSP government at my home with my parents as well as with my friends in college.

    The Statue of Unity has already aggravated the poverty of the tribals that have been evicted from there. It has already destroyed the environment just like BSP did when it was on power.

    Let me be point blank. Even if we were living in an ideal country with no poverty, great health care and education, expenditure on a large scale for a statue is nothing but a complete wastage. If a great leader has to be remembered, it should be done by making programs and institutions that improve the condition of society and naming it after them. Wasting money like this gets brick-bats not only to the Government spending that money but sadly also to the person that is supposed to be remembered.

  • #653733

    Oh my gosh, another tall record-breaking statue coming up that too in a poor state like Uttar Pradesh. That much money could be better spent by investing in improving the infrastructure, educational and health needs of the common man. I wonder, how just for the sake of blindly following a certain ideology, some of the esteemed members of this site are vociferously supporting such an outrageous move by the UP government. It seems the present UP government wants to get a step ahead of the erstwhile BSP government in building statues. If the then government specialised in numbers of statues built, then the present one is trying to go one up by heading skywards. Wonder, after UP, where will be the next higher statue built!

    Patience and perseverance pays

  • #653736
    Mr. Neeraj: The Formula 1 Race event at Budh International circuit by spending $400 million in 2011 was an entirely private venture. The Jaypee Group was the sponsor. The Government of Uttar Pradesh has no role except for acquiring the land required for the race.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653741
    Whatever the hypocrites, oops, intellectuals say, the present regime is administratively far better than at least the previous two regimes of Mayawati and Akhilesh.

    Common people have absolutely no objection to the Shri Ram statue at Ayodhya. So, the State Government can easily ignore the libus.

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653745
    I see only only online trolls supporting the statue, not common people.

  • #653746
    Though the announcement of erecting a statue of Lord Rama is purportedly a concerted effort to thwart the recent moves by the VHP, the RSS and the Shiv Sena, what worries me more, as a Hindu, than the cost or other pros and cons of this statue, is as to how the statue would look, I mean the appearance. Lord Ram is a mythological character and the features by which we recognize Him are basically the creation of some artists. Idols that are worshipped in Temples have a different structure and are more rustic than a statue would be expected to be. So, in that sense, I personally do not agree to the erection of a statue of the Lord in the same way the statue of a leader would be perceived, built and erected. A statue has a different dimension, meaning and message which we should understand. I personally (personally) feel that erecting a statue of the Lord would, in fact, amount to mortalizing the Lord and thereby belittling the divine status He enjoys among his worshippers (if not today, at a later stage for sure). Staunch Hindus might feel peeved off by my observation but that is what I feel.
    "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."- Epictetus

  • #653774
    Why so much irritation from few of the members but on the other ways this is making me more confused on our stand which is quite biased as well. One thing that all the members here would agree with me is that our perceptions & creativity have gone down to the cheapest of level that we can't even imagined of irrespective of the type of culture & past which we have belonged to & we are busy in doing the self goals repeatedly.

    In context to the statement, "In our country, many of the people are below the poverty line. They are without basic necessities like food and shelter". The author hasn't come-up with the actual figure or even in on average & therefore I would request the author to pl. enlighten us with this fact & about what have been the different reasons so far for this cause.

    #653746 / Saji Ganesh, what makes you to come to the conclusion that, "Lord Ram is a mythological character"?

  • #653782
    Every country has statues of their great people belonging to the politics or social worker or philisphers or even mythological characters. That only shows their culture and past affiliations.

    What is the harm if we also get some of such monuments in our country.

    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #653794
    Yes. Private investor has funded that project. I came to know that the company is going to be bankrupt. Investor public lost money. Now, who is compensating that loss?
    Regarding the tourism project, I understand your concern that 221m height of the structure is polarizing the people and obsession with statues makes no sense. You are absolutely correct. The people at power always make advantage of the situations and work towards their ideologies. The project specifications can be altered. This is not the case in India; all over the world the case is same. When I worked in an overseas airport project, after completion of the job, during trial run, somebody noticed that the ATC tower viewed from the sky looks like Budha statue. That created a big hue and cry. After so many discussions/deliberations and on faith/religious ground the structure was modified. So faith/religion is a part and parcel of any culture/society. You and I can't change it.
    Ours is a trillion dollar class economy. We are spending around $55 billion on defense. We can waive loans given to the farmers to any extend of amount. We are a financial super power. We can manage our finance very well. We are capable of building anything. It is sad that even after 70 years of independence people are talking about poverty. Let the talk about poverty/education/healthcare etc continue till the end of the world.

    Let us kick-start the tourism project in UP in a grant way. Let us make the country more vibrant! I am waiting for the ground-breaking ceremony of that project!!

  • #653798
    When common people are not against the statue, let us ignore the liberals just like the present Government of UP is ignoring them.

    These liberals have no objection in ghastly-looking statues of Marx, Lenin, Gandhi, Nehru or some other leaders. They don't have any problem if the birds make these statues dirty. They only have problems with a statue of Shri Ram.

    Let them go on complaining.

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653799
    Making one statue may not be termed as a wastage. If Govt goes a big way to make statues in cities and towns then probably it could be categorised like that.

    I think we are taking it too seriously and do not want Govt to do such things and open schools or other things in its place. But the problem is other developments are already taking place in the country. There are already a large number of educational institutions some of which are starving for a good number of students.

    As regards improvement in the country rather then making statues, that is already a big challenge for every Govt and in my opinion the present regime is doing a lot of efforts in this direction.

    Tajmahal was also made by one ruler earlier and today it is a pride place of our country and counted globally in top world structures. So, monuments and statues are not a new thing. History is full of them.

    A few statues in the country here and there depicting our culture and mythology is not a bad idea at all.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #653816
    This is not one statue. The proposed one is the third. The first one was of Sardar Patel. The height of the statue is 182 meters. The second one under construction is of Shivaji. The height of this statue is 212 meters. The proposed one of Lord Rama is of height 221 meters. It looks like the sky is the only limit.
    None of the members who supported the statues are unable to justify the height of the statues. If this goes on like this, in future it may be difficult for the aircraft to land in India.
    Now I understand very well how the politicians continue to make fools of people who are uneducated and the educated also.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653817
    I feel that the author of this thread and some other Members who don't like the idea of Shri Ram statue may organize a 'mombatti'-procession in Ayodhya to register their noble protest.

    Of course, I would pray for their safety.

    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653818
    #653816 / KVRR, what are you talking about the justification of in context to the height of the statue? and about your comment that, "If this goes on like this, in future it may be difficult for the aircraft to land in India". Are we debating on some Cartoon Network show? By the way, it's not possible for any of the politicians to make fool of any of us till we are already there.

  • #653821
    An undeclared Active GD is going on here. I too can't stop express my opinion and want to pose an unbiased question here. We are all talking about statues which are related to National and religious sentiments. But what about the proposal to build a state capital which would be better than Singapore? Does a state assembly need to be constructed in the model of Eiffel Tower?

    We are not discussing the things in an unbiased way. None of the above responses did speak about such projects in the name of development.


  • #653826
    #653821 / Jagdish Patro, it's a good idea but till we are moved around with the religious & caste basis this will never ever be possible in our country. We need a lots of changes in our mentality & above religion & caste to the level of national interest in order to come-up with such a level. If we can remember in a good way than once the "Amar Jyoti" at India Gate, Delhi had been damaged because of one event that had taken place somewhere in Burma. We all need to get united against such facilities & till the time this takes place we have no other choices other than to keep ourselves busy in resolving of such conflicts.

  • #653830
    Yes, this is an undeclared GD. As usual what India like to indulge or make to indulge in the most favorite topic of debate one is religion and politics. We are just getting diverted from the main issues of Poverty, education, and women empowerment. The role model of the project which has intellect, innovation, and deep research can be introduced. Why we are getting diverted from these issues. Why this politician can't think beyond the changing name and establishing statue?
    Well done is better than well said

  • #653833
    Ridiculing others when one does not have any valid points to counter them is a tactic which is resorted to by many but should we be following those steps when you are part of a serious discussion. Partha is always worried about the bird droppings on the statues of our national leaders. I wonder whether these birds would spare the statues being erected by or for the BJP. Birds are lesser intellectuals and they are liberal because they are not guided or influenced by any particular ideologies. They don't see whether the statue is of Nehru or Patel; droppings is a natural process when they perch to rest.

    It is not the question of dislike of the idea to erect the statue of Lord Rama that is being discussed here. The discussion is as to the necessity. Why and for what is the question that needs to be answered. All Hindus will remain to be devotees of Lord Rama till he decides otherwise and human interventions cannot make any difference.

    Partha and the likes keep referring to the statues erected by previous governments. Were they so expensive as the present ones? If at all you need to register a few of whom you feel like to be symbolized by way of statues, do it by all means but why to escalate the expenditure? Do taller statues make one taller? I doubt.

    Ved Prakash, it may not be purely mythological but it is not purely historical either. Anyway, that is not the point here. Should a statue be erected to pacify (temporarily) the voices that are being raised for construction of the Ayodhya Temple? I don't think so.

    Instead of questioning those who hold a different opinion about erecting the statue of Lord Rama, I suggest the supporters come up with valid points to substantiate their stand.

    "It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows."- Epictetus

  • #653835
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    "If you are killed in action, you go to Heaven. If you win, you rule this Earth (as beautiful as Heaven). That is why, O son of Kunti, take a firm resolve and fight!"-- Shrimad Bhagwad Gita

  • #653837
    A statue of 5 to 10 meters will be ideal for viewers. One can stand before the statue and watch it.
    @ 65817: Mr. Partha go through my response @ 653720. Your badmouthing is something which is not desirable in a forum like this. Your usage of terms is in bad taste.
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    @Mr.Patro: I wish you give your valuable and unbiased opinion about the height of the statue. We can discuss "Amaravati" sometime later as it is not related to the topic here. I am also of the opinion that a State Capital should be functional and simple.

    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653843
    #653833 / Saji Ganesh, your statement is contradictory in itself, "it may not be purely mythological but it is not purely historical either". By the way it's not relevant according to you & therefore we leave here.

  • #653844
    Anyway after seeing the above responses, I can say that the first thing to think about people and the next thing one about other amenities.

  • #653845
    #653837 / KVRR, if you could explain about who are we to decide about the length & breadth of the statue & about how this should be constructed & in what ways? Sometimes it's a matter of faith & respect & it's impossible to understand if we are lacking the both.

  • #653846
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  • #653850
    I know that you are deeply hurt by the way the project is being used as a political tool. I understand your feelings. As you said rightly, none of the members here are not able to justify the height. You are well aware that the specifications are decided by the project authorities headed by the honorable CM of UP. I support the project because, the state like Uttar Pradesh need massive infrastructure spending like these type of high labor intensive projects to curb its high crime rate and improving other social indices. The policy should be sourcing the manpower locally and engage .The presence of MNC's in the project can help CSR activities in those areas. Many people will be engaged directly and indirectly.

  • #653851
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  • #653865
    Neeraj, I am not hurt by the way the project is being used a political gimmick. Every political party resorts to gimmicks of one sort or other before elections. The BJP has chosen the religion as their tool and everyone knows it. Some badmouth may say that the objection is to the construction of the statue. I am not bothered about the statue but its height. Why this obsession with height? This will put a severe financial burden on the project. It is ridiculous to say that building statue is the only way to provide employment, curb the high crime rate, and improving social indices. Let them build social infrastructure.
    " Be Good and Do Good "

  • #653874
    It's not the BJP but the whole of political parties are based on some kind of religious propaganda & therefore why so much concerned of this now & to the BJP only. Lets discuss on some wider perspective including each of the political parties with their hidden agenda in order to come up with some hard fact of about what they are up to.

  • #653886
    I fully support the UP government's move to construct a 221 meters tall statue for Lord Sri Ram in this Ram Janma Bhoomi. We Indians, especially the Hindus should feel proud of having such a huge statue for our great Ram in Ramraj.

    This statue will bring high revenue to the state through tourism, and also through the devotees within India. Hundies placed under the feet of Ram statue will be filled with heavy cash, jewelry and other costly materials as donations to the lord. All black money holders are likely to deposit a part of it into the Hundies. The huge amount spent on construction will be recovered within a few years.

    With a tall Ram statue, the country is also expected to grow tall. Poverty in India has nothing to do with Ram Statue. In fact, Poverty will be wiped out after the construction of Ram statue.

    Let us support the construction of Ram's statue. Jai Sri Ram.

  • #653897
    #65388627 - If it is sarcasm, loved it. If not, just wanted to say smoking is bad for health.

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