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    Active GD- Higher education is as of now a hurdle to get a job- Yes or No?

    We are living in an era in which one does not seem to stop pursuing education. After the basic education, one opts for graduation in a stream of his choice, then goes for a post-graduation and then is found to be searching for areas that can enhance his knowledge in the particular or related field by going for additional post-graduation or diplomas, certificate courses and so on and so forth.

    But are we moving in the right direction? Or are we moving under a misconception that the more educated we are, the more are our chances of getting a good job? It is a serious point that we need to ponder, especially with the background of unemployment, under-employment and other employment-related problems that we are facing in our country.

    It is in this backdrop that we have decided to conduct an Active GD on the topic 'Higher education is as of now a hurdle to get a job- Yes or No?'

    Please provide detailed and logical responses to assert your viewpoints. Though higher education and the job prospects form the crux of the discussion, you will have to delve into the different related aspects also so as to make this discussion interesting and meaningful. Let us have views and counter views on the topic and to other responses too.

    Please refer to this Active GD announcement for the General guidelines for adherence and follow them strictly.

    The GD will be closed on the 17th of December.

    The best participants selected will be awarded a cash reward of Rs 150/- each. Other participants will also be considered for cash rewards if found eligible.

    Note: The editor who is moderating the GD will have the final say (in consultation with the team) in matters of dispute (during discussion) and a point or guidance put forth as a response by the moderator need not be responded to by the participating members.

    Acknowledgement: This thread by Umesh and this thread by Dhruba helped to ignite the thought for a GD on this topic.
  • #747882
    Firstly, It is not necessary that one has to pursue higher education only to get a job people often go for higher education when they are genuinely interested in a particular discipline. But genuine interest is not a necessity in some cases because some chose that option believing that they will land a better job opportunity.
    Although in today's competitive environment job is a necessity but that's not the only reason for opting for Higher education. But very few people can understand this thing because In India people believe the sole objective of getting a degree and education is to earn livelihood only. It is our education system that has not made education job oriented only but expects everyone to get a job.
    To the question raised above, I do agree to some parts that Higher education does not guarantee the job but if someone has a genuine interest in that particular field of higher education it sure does open many gates and opportunities even if it takes a little bit of extra time. But if someone is pursuing higher education just to get the job then it does not guarantee the job and secured future. But I will never use a word such as higher education as a hurdle in getting a job because one can acquire a job while pursuing higher education as well if they wish to do.
    No one forces people to not do a job with higher education. People can find alternative means of earning if they don't have financial security while pursuing higher education. So how can higher education be a hurdle? The way this question is formed is kind of flawed.
    Without higher education how can you expect people to get specialised in any profession? And calling it a hurdle is such a wrong perception.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #747883
    I would like to first consider the possible reasons why a misconception arises about higher education as a detriment to employment. One such reason could be pressure from family and peers,

    There is this mindset of parents, for example, that once graduation is completed (perhaps even Class 12 passed), their children should find a job to support the family and, more so in the case of their daughters, it is high time they are "settled", that is, get married. They do not think it at all necessary that further education is necessary, that if at all this is the interest of their children, then let them do it alongside earning so that they can pay the fees for the higher studies. They feel that it is pointless getting a further qualification that may really be useless and, in fact, it would be better to take up the job that is knocking on the door right away than fritter away a couple more years in studying. Thus there is the pressure from parents that may create a mental block in taking up a further academic qualification.

    Then there is the view that despite having higher qualifications than another candidate. the job goes to somebody less qualified. This experience may be shared by well-meaning friends and family acquaintances who have attended job interviews, once again creating an impression that it is not worth it to study further.

    I feel that this type of pressure is where the misconception first starts, about why higher education is considered a hurdle to getting a job.

    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #747884
    Neelam,

    In your first response, you indicated that people cannot acquire specialization without higher education. I think this is possible. There are people who develop skills with on-the-job training and work experience and in this sense have acquired a higher level of education. There are people also who enter a particular job field without even the required qualification, perhaps due to family connections, or by sheer abilities to display their expertise, and learn how to get the work done by and by. Higher education need not literally be formal education in an institute.

    The question is not flawed either. It is actually a fact that people do think in that manner!

    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #747886
    Sometimes higher qualifications are really becoming a hurdle in getting a job. It is more so in the government jobs. After completing my M.Sc, I applied for a job in the Central government. The qualification asked for is graduation in chemistry. I have applied and I have mentioned that I am a PG in chemistry. I got a regret letter saying that they will not consider candidates with higher qualifications for that post. Many others also might have a similar experience.
    There may be many reasons for not going for higher education.
    It is never right to think that having higher qualifications will make an individual get a job easily. Never. It all depends on the requirements of the job and your suitability for that post. The other day I was talking to a CEO of a company, He was mentioning that he prefers to take ITI or diploma candidates in his company rather than going for a graduate Engineer. The reasons he told are also very correct. A person with higher qualification will have higher expectations and he may go on trying for another job. He also mentioned that getting work done by a highly qualified person is difficult. He says an Engineer never wanted to work on a machine with his own hands, He need not work regularly on a machine. But once in a while, he may have to do that. But many hesitate. This is the mindset of a CEO who employed almost 100 ITIs and 40 diploma candidates. But no graduate engineer.
    When I hear his words, I felt that sometimes higher qualifications will be a hurdle for some people to obtain a job.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #747887
    After my PhD, I worked in a company for 2 years. After that, I started applying for various other jobs. I received a letter from one of the companies to which I applied as a reply to my application. In that letter, they mentioned that they like to have me with them but they are afraid that they may not be able to satisfy my needs. I know it is a diplomatic way of telling No. They wanted a PG only but I am a PhD.
    The following are the reasons I think for the highly qualified people for getting rejected.
    1. The employer may think that these highly qualified people may not stick to the job for a long time. They may go on searching for a better job and may leave at any point in time.
    2. Generally, the salary expectations of the highly qualified candidates will be high and the companies may feel that is not good for the company. Instead of paying Rs.20,000/- and getting an engineer, the organisation may prefer having two diploma candidates by paying Rs. 10,000/ each.
    3. The employees who are highly qualified may have their own work preferences and they may not like to work with their own hands. They hesitate to perform certain tasks.
    4. Many employers feel that overqualified persons may get bored easily in doing certain jobs and maintaining them by giving suitable tasks to them is difficult.
    So many companies reject persons with higher qualifications for their organisations.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #747888
    In the present scenario, the employers have been practical with the selection of aspirants having the minimum qualifications from the present job without giving any special considerations for their higher qualifications. I am compelled to frame such a view by my personal observation while looking the attitudes of IT employers or the employers of the private sectors concentrating on maximisation of steel outputs.
    In the former case, a trend has been seen within the circles of Infosys and more so in TCS, that the best way to raise output of the IT sectors is to provide formal training from the management side to the candidates already selected with lesser qualifications such as B.Sc in lieu of B.Tech. The group of such aspirants are inducted in the technical training comprising of a certain period and finally the outputs offered by such aspirants was seen as good as an Engineering Graduates passing from premier institutions. Here the idea of the management is to save revenues substantially with the induction of bright candidates even though they lack higher qualifications.
    The thoughts of TISCO have been observed in the similar lines encouraging the candidates with lesser qualifications but have vision to expedite production. In the Blast Furnace, there are a lot of employees lacking the technical qualifications but can assess the final composition of the hot metal by having a close observation of the hot metal and allowing the hot metal to flush out for its ongoing treatment. The TISCO management has always been pioneer in the innovative process even discarding higher qualifications if the aspirants have their in built potentials to rise.
    Hence I am of view that higher qualifications become irrelevant for the aspirants having their analytical vision in the areas where they are putting their jobs.

  • #747890
    There are various tangents through which one can look at this topic of discussion. One view is when one wants to do a job in their life while others would want to enter into self profession or business.

    Another view is when one wants to do "some sort of Masters" which they feel gives them higher salaries, while some want to pursue Masters because that gives them an extra edge to perform a particular set of duties and responsibilities in a mastered way.

    Keeping this view in mind, I feel that before doing a Masters education, one must be clear as to what they really want to do in their professional life. Doing a haphazard Masters is going to lead you nowhere, and thus based on one of the comments above, 2 Diploma holders are worthwhile than a Master.

    Also understand what is the need of a Master degree holder. A Master degree holder is required to lead a programme or a company. A Master degree holder is required to research and develop better ways or doing a job. A Master is required to think and innovate. A Master is not required to obey laid commands, but instead to question and debate laid instructions and quest on creating new ways, should they be required.

    A person who is qualified with a Diploma or Degree is expected to work on given set of instructions, report to their leaders and make sure a task or project assigned to them is executed and done.

    This is what I believe is the difference in a Master degree holder and a non-Master degree holder. None of them should do either's job. This will only lead to chaos.
    Yes, a degree holder can rise either gradually to a directional job through years of experience or may do it quicker with a Masters degree combined with experience and rise up the ladder of profession.

    A leader is required and even people are required to be led. If either are not present, a job cannot be done and innovation becomes useless.

    But, the other fact is also very important; we do not require lot of leaders, but we need a lot of executioners. When a executioner wishes to become a leader, he or she must remember that they would become a part of leaders who are required in few numbers.

    Thus, it is very important to ponder upon and quest self, as to what is that they wish to do in their lives. Do you have the ability and desire to lead? Or are you happy in following laid down set of instructions? Do you prefer to ask your leader your queries? Or do you prefer to think and find solutions; or discuss solutions with other leaders?

    I believe this would provide you answers as to what kind of education would be good for you? As is said, do not aim for money, but look for your right direction. You would then not regret your life decisions.

    To infer on the topic of discussion, higher education will become a hurdle in your career for sure, if you do not wish to lead or direct!

  • #747891
    The idea of going for higher education is definitely to aspire for a better job. Most of the people feel that by having higher education their chances of getting a good job will increase. So from that perspective that is a correct thinking. But every coin has two sides and by acquiring higher education their mindset changes a lot and they do not try for the small or menial jobs and that is where the higher education becomes a negative thing for the aspirants of jobs in todays competitive scenario. Society and family both will be seeing a highly educated person doing a small job with surprised and degrading eyes and it becomes a matter of humiliation for the person and hurts him deeply. So, there is a need to go for higher education only for those students who have real interest in it and want to do research or go for teaching jobs in the universities or higher academic institutions. Others can go for some technical training or diploma which can help them to start a self employment by providing services to the needy people or households.
    Higher education is a good path for only a select few who deserve it. Others would be wasting their valuable prime youth time in it. So, I believe that higher education is definitely a hurdle for many to opt or seek for an ordinary job because of the superiority complex that the higher education generally brings in the mind of such people.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #747894
    I agree with Apurva Tamhane that specialised jobs are few and for that, we require people who are well qualified, But the problem is that such jobs are a few in number. So when more qualified people are there they are trying for other jobs and they will not get a positive response from them.
    I worked in a company where there are chances for both master degree holders and Science graduates. The applications received are 30 from M.Scs and only 20 from B.Scs. The company selected 3 M.Scs for scientist posts and 20 B.Scs to carry out other routine works. They never preferred to appoint M.Scs in the other posts. The reasons are something like what I discussed earlier in this discussion.
    In such cases, we definitely feel that their M.Scs become a hurdle for getting selected.
    The discussion is not about going for higher studies and the value they have. But what is the role it is playing for a candidate for obtaining a job? The chances for highly qualified people are less in number but these days we see more people with higher qualifications.
    The jobs for highly qualified people are less and hence the chances are less for them.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #747899
    Although some of you feel here that higher education is not needed to get a job as experience and good skills are needed to get jobs in good companies. I partially agree with you because I find people are appointed in some reputed organisation s based on the above mentioned points. On the flip side, many companies appoint staff based on their qualifications because they fell that less educated staff need training for some months atleast which would be a financial burden . Then,the customers might feel that the less qualified people would not be able to handle their projects efficiently and might back out and invest in a better company where the staff are well qualified.

  • #747900
    #747884 The expertise of a subject and the way to acquire the knowledge of the subject vary as per the kind of job it is. In the case of a Doctor if one wants to be a surgeon he/she has to acquire higher education as well as skill only one of them will not suffice while some other profession demands just skill refinement. In the jobs where skills can be refined with skill, there is no need for higher education otherwise higher education always helps a person.
    While going for the humanities subjects if somebody has a real interest, these subjects can completely alter and change peoples ideologies and they are fit for academics and such things take time. If a person goes for higher education by choice and basis of interest in the particular area he/she is mentally prepared for the time that such education is going and the amount of time for them to be at a better place and better job. And the things they have to hear from the people around.
    But those who go for higher education only with the point of view of getting a good job and haphazardly just to escape the pressure of gaining the job often find themselves trusted and in problem. This is a matter of individual choice and a faulty education system and not the problem with higher education.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #747902
    Nowadays, there is a maximum number of jobs are for diploma holders and graduates. And it forms almost 2/3 of the jobs. Actually, all type of jobs does not require higher education, skills and experience. But some of the professions need higher education like teaching posts in colleges and universities, posts of Scientists, researchers.

    But in any way, we can't say that a higher degree is a hurdle to getting a job. Because when we see a system and people working in it. It always forms a pyramid-like structure. There are always people with lower qualifications and lower experience at the bottom and at the top of a pyramid, only top-level people with higher qualifications and higher experience are there. Similarly, in a company, always people with lower qualifications make the maximum part of it. And at the top, highly educated and experienced people are there.

    Here we take an example. Suppose in a laboratory a graduate and a postgraduate both are appointed as a chemist. After getting some experience, the postgraduate candidate gets promoted to the senior position because of having a higher degree also in addition to the experience. So, higher education is not a hurdle here. But in this case, one can feel an inferiority complex. This complex may stop him/her to accept a job at a lower designation and working with less qualified persons. So, higher education is not a hurdle but the main problem is the ego of the person himself.

  • #747903
    What I feel from my long experience and age so far that higher education is not all considered as the required parameter to get the job as the competition created much fuss and confusion among the students who are bothering the parents that they would pursue more than one course so that at the interview they stand as the winner. But what has been lacking in the candidates that the general knowledge and aptitude questions in which they are failing and unable to cope up. The reasoning tests are mostly asked in the corporate interviews to which higher education is of no use and one has to go for referring additional information and knowledge for this. And if someone has the push and pull arrangements like recommendation of higher ups and recommending of present employees are gaining most without competition.
    K Mohan @ Moga
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #747906
    Mr. Mohan ,I don't agree with you that higher education is not necessary to get a job. Ofcourse,there are certain exceptions but I don't go with such companies which appoint employees who have other criteria to select staff as I feel experience and less qualification can't be of much help to the company and can hamper productivity.

  • #747909
    I suggest participants not to opt for a partial or balanced view. Let it be either yes or no. It would be better if you stick to your view and come up with arguments to support your stand.
    'Your attitude, not your aptitude, will determine your altitude.' -Zig Ziglar

  • #747915
    Dr Apurva indicates that higher education will become a hurdle if one is not willing to lead. I don't agree that going is for a Master's should be done in order to be prepared to take up a leadership role, that otherwise, it will be detrimental. A career path is not necessarily defined by one's qualifications. Leaders come up the ranks even without a higher qualification and can forge their path through sheer success in effectively and efficiently dealing with the tasks and roles they are given along the way,

    Dr Rao has made a few valid points about higher qualifications making employers reluctant to hire a candidate, but I feel that if a candidate is willing to compromise in the sense of agreeable to accept a job at a lower remuneration when other parameters are good - the reputation of the company, the work ambience, etc - then it should not be the qualification that is the impediment, but the candidate's mindset. Both the employer and the candidate should stop thinking about the "over-qualification" acquired and focus on the actual expertise and abiity to fit into the job.

    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #747917
    Let's consider another aspect. How many people land a job that is actually related to their academic studies? Or how many pursue higher education in the same field where they started? You often see youngsters and/or their parents obsessed about going into the engineering stream in order to land a job in a top Infotech company with a fat salary package. Their parents spend lakhs just on coaching fees and, later, on college fees. The youngster graduates but suddenly realizes that his/her interest is not in that field at all and suddenly switches to another one for postgraduate studies in a stream where the earlier graduate qualification is acceptable. On completing it, he/she gets a job, so neither the postgraduate qualification nor the switch is necessarily a hurdle. Yes, there may be cases where this is not the case, but it is hard to generalize that higher education is the primary reason for remaining unemployed. Perhaps the candidate's grasp of concepts or language skills is too weak and hence the rejection for a job.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #747918
    It is not that the employers are not appreciating the aspirants having higher qualifications and the ways the interview proceeds for such aspirants, the members on the board might be impressed both in terms of their clarity in their approach and they ways they are offering solutions in complex situations are commendable. However, the employers are also aware of the fact that the stamina and energy of such overqualified aspirants would diminish with the progression of time because of their own mindsets. They would not like to compromise with their colleagues having lesser qualifications and there might be an atmosphere of Cold War within the company set up affecting the productivity of the company. If such a tug of war persists between the two classes of employees, the ultimate looser is the employer. Because of this specific reason, the employer is cautious enough in the process of recruitment. The employer would be more interested to achieve higher level of production without the development of such a detrimental situation of confrontation between the two classes of employees. The other aspect relates to the attitudes of the aspirants having highly qualified is to leave the job all of sudden when they grab jobs matching their qualifications and aspirations.

  • #747920
    I for one do not support the view that higher education act as a hurdle in getting a job. It can take time and get the desired job gets delayed in some cases, but that is the case when the student has a fixed aim. When it comes to just landing a job and starting earning, there are ample opportunities to earn but that diverts focus and doing masters seriously requires time and effort.
    The job a candidate does while pursuing masters is not his/her permanent ambition or job he/she wants to do but part-time work to bear his/her expenses because one can not rely on parents the whole time for higher education. That is why students try to do higher education with scholarships or grants and in India such grants which higher studies is provided in very specific disciplines.
    When it comes to higher education not everyone's parents can afford to let their child do higher studies as much as they want and even if the parents are supportive of one's choices the student feel the need for financial independence and often end up doing odd jobs but that is difficult to do when you are enrolled in a course demanding more time. And India does not have the kind of environment like western countries where students begin to work from their teenage and become financially independent, here they are expected to finish their education and get a job as soon as they finish and that too a good job as per their educational qualification.
    Ultimately, not everyone is meant for higher studies and only those should go for higher studies who can genuinely cope up with all kinds of pressure. People with a job-oriented mindset should try to do courses that provide them with better employment opportunities.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #747924
    A company have lots of positions that require different educational as well as experience criteria according to the company's hierarchy. Like same cloth size does not fit to all. Likewise, the same educational level or degrees /diplomas do not fit all positions. Always there are some jobs that do not need higher degrees but some of the positions require higher qualifications mandatorily.

    Work experience also plays a vital role along with the higher qualification to get appropriate opportunities what you want especially if you want to get a good position. And If anyone gets a job straight after completing 10+2 or getting a diploma only and he/she is satisfied with it then it is OK. But to get a good position or higher-level job, he/she need to acquire higher degrees and in order to get some specialization again, he/she needs to join some Advanced diploma /certificate courses.

    I have seen some people who got a good job after completing a master's degree but still, they acquired higher education. My chemistry teacher, who was having a Master's degree and NET qualified was in a regular position but she enrolled herself for Ph.D. and completed it. Now the question is "when already she got a permanent position in the college what was the need for going for a higher degree. And the answer is 'she did Ph.D. just to increase her knowledge in the subject and to increase her credentials'. In this case, higher education has helped her to achieve something new that was like a new feather in her cap.

  • #747925
    Further, some people also acquire many degrees to get their desired job/position. I know a girl who did Masters in Mathematics. After M.Sc. Maths, she joined MBA to get a professional degree. Based on that she gets campus placement as Assistant Manager in a reputed private bank. But then she thought to give a try for government banks and then appear in the banking recruitment exam and got selected and she joined a government bank as Probationary Officer. For a Bank PO post, the educational qualification is graduation. While she had a double master's degree. In this case, higher education had not stopped her to get a good job neither in the private sector nor in the government sector.

  • #747927
    @747906, Many companies are of the view that bookish knowledge with great marks are no use when it comes to their task and their criteria of selection and thus the interview always held on the those aspects to which the candidates are not aware. How the candidate is alert, how the candidate can cope up the marketing pressures, how the candidate can tackle the customers are some of the questions often asked even to the non marketing candidates. Moreover every company has their in house training team to give fresh training even to a non educated person and therefore they are not particular about the qualifications and certificates. In fact some companies wont even see the certificates. And those who are already working for the company are advised to look for such candidates who can fit into the grove of company requirements.
    K Mohan @ Moga
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #747929
    Employers may not lay emphasis on looking at academic certificates, but it is not necessarily the case that so-called bookish knowledge is to be scoffed at. Higher education means you are expanding your horizons on certain subjects a and you never know when that knowledge will come into use either on the job front or in one's personal life. Dr Deepali has given two actual case studies to support this.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #747940
    Employers would remain more interested to step up their production with the dedicated group of employees. Though higher qualifications open up their wisdom in relation to technology but the management knows where to train their capable employees with the advanced training for augmenting productivity. They have their own training institutions where the efficient managers of the shop floors are receiving training for the fine tuning of their skills. Since such employees have proven skills in their areas of operation, the employers seem to be more comfortable with these known employees apart from induction fresh highly qualified employees whose potentials for the employers are not tapped fully.

  • #747941
    #747915 There are instances where the higher qualified candidates are willing to join and perform a lower-level job also, due to their necessity of getting a job. But mainly the employer will have the fear. He thinks that the person may not stick to the job and the company has to again do all its attempts to get a new candidate if the higher qualified person leaves. So this mindset of the employer is the main hurdle They may not come out of that thinking easily.

    I am of the opinion that the discussion is about the qualifications a candidate is having at the time of acquiring a job. Nobody can stop them to go for further education after joining the job and improving their qualifications. Many teachers and lecturers will go for Qualification improvement under QIP. There are many lecturers who improved their qualifications after joining the job.

    There is no doubt that there are jobs for highly qualified people also. But they are less in number. So many people apply for lower-level jobs. In such cases definitely, their qualification is playing a negative role and the employers may not consider them.

    All these problems are mainly arising due to the unemployment problem in India. If there are plenty of jobs at all levels and the qualified people and the jobs are matching, no need to worry. But when there is a mismatch all these sorts of problems will start.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #747943
    The issue raised by many people is that employers don't want to recruit people with higher qualification because they fear employee will leave the job as soon as he/she finds a better opportunity. But this is not the case with people with higher qualifications anyone will go for better opportunities if given a chance.
    And because of the problems like their check and balances like signings of bonds and contracts for a particular period. And a person signing such bonds knows very well what they are going for. So because of fears of the employer not going for higher education or calling it a hurdle does not seem to sound reason to me.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #747953
    In our country because of a large population and also a large number of educated people it is natural that there is a very tough competition for the jobs at almost every level but at the level of premium or high level jobs those who are rejected for them they have no recourse left out except going for small jobs and then they feel that their higher education was a waste. Many of such people realise at that juncture that they should had gone for some skill based diploma or technical course and would had gone for a small job and might had earned good amount by now.
    So, one of the main factors that why higher education appears to be a hurdle in our country is because of high population for which we do not have proportionate number of higher jobs but we have a good number of educational institutes churning out a large number of qualified people in various disciplines having engineering degrees or post graduate degrees or even doctoral degrees. There is a big mismatch between the number of highly qualified people and the corresponding good jobs. Definitely higher education is not helping people for getting a suitable job.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #747969
    Some employees think that they may be doing injustice to the people who are suitable qualified if they go and select people with higher qualifications. There will be a prescribed qualification for any job. Some people with the same qualification will naturally apply for that post. At the same time, people with higher qualifications will also apply. If the employer employs people with higher qualifications, the chances for the people who are suitably qualified will lose a chance to get a job. Thinking in that way, some employers may not opt for these people.
    A person may do a course either with his own interest or with force from their parents. But it will not be a point for the employer. He will look for the performance of the candidate. There may be many points for him to consider for selecting a candidate. Two persons have equally fared in the interview in all aspects, but one of the two is overqualified. Whom will the employer consider? Definitely, the employer will go for the person with the required qualifications only.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #747971
    # 747927,
    As mentioned in the post that "Many companies are of the view that bookish knowledge with great marks are no use when it comes to their task and their criteria of selection and thus the interview always held on those aspects to which the candidates are not aware".

    In my opinion, in an interview usually, questions are asked on the aspects related to the job requirement. So if the candidate is going for a job interview of his/her specialization, bookish knowledge will definitely help.
    General questions to check the alertness and preparedness of the candidates may also be asked in addition to this.
    Further, training is given to the newly joined. But in any case, a non-educated person cannot be hired for a position, because some minimum qualification criteria are always there for each and every post.

    Before appearing in an interview, it is necessary that the candidates must meet the minimum eligibility criteria set for a post. Only after fulfilling all the requirements, he/she will be eligible to appear in the interview. But in the case, a candidate has a higher degree and some additional qualification/ advanced studies in the field in which he/she has applied for the job, it will increase the chances of selection and getting hired.

    Let's take an example. If a person has a master's degree or a Ph.D. degree and he/she is going to apply for a job in Health and Safety. He/she must have a diploma or certificate in EHS/Health and Safety.

    Even in a shopping mall, people, who want to join a post, need some software or technical skills because all of them are using software-based machines. So they also need to do some advanced/specialized courses also.

  • #747975
    When the entire job market has been competitive, the attitudes of the aspirants should be flexible enough to grab a job of a lower cadre despite being over qualified and to that extent, it appears as a prudent idea of landing a job in their favour. In the event of pointing out of the interview board regarding their over qualifications, the aspirants might be telling that they would not mind working for such low cadre jobs since it is their passion to undertake some challenging assignments to show their skills. The employers might oblige such candidates by offering them jobs but what developments could you observe later on? Their own colleagues having lesser qualifications would put such overqualified people to embracing positions frequently. This would put such aspirants under stress and in such stressful situations, they might quit the jobs and for which the management has to suffer again for the shortage of manpower. That is why this aspect is taken care of in advance by not offering such posts to the overqualified employees unless the interview board is satisfied with the exceptional abilities of some deserving candidates having higher qualifications.

  • #747982
    The problem is employment generation in a country with a large number of educated masses, not higher education. Any form of education does not go to waste when it comes to knowledge enhancement and gaining job opportunities thing what we have studied in the past comes to our help in one or the other form. But in situations like our country where the human resources out-number the number of seats available in any jobs by such a huge proportion, it does seem like a problem for outsiders.
    It is easy for someone to say why not a student just crack an exam and get a job as soon as he/she has minimum qualification because that was the case with the earlier generation, but in today's case everyone comes up with something extra and goes extra miles and for a single seat fight is among student with various professional degrees and very good academic record, so someone is definitely going to stay behind.
    The fault lies with not having ample opportunities for the large pool of human resources not with their acquiring higher education. Otherwise why India's best mind move out of India because they don't get the kind of opportunities they seek here. They don't get the kind of higher education they seek here. And those left behind are also fighting tooth and nail to stay relevant. In the process of proving themselves better than others also, people keep getting the higher educational qualifications.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #747984
    Higher education may increase job as well as earning opportunities. It is not correct to say that employers do not want to offer jobs to higher degree holders. In fact, there may be several cases where a higher degree holder is preferred over the minimum eligibility or the lower qualified candidates.

    In the first case, an employer is not seeking a higher degree holder and neither he has asked higher degree in the post advertisement. But it doesn't mean that he will ignore the candidate having a higher degree or advanced or specialized skills. Here, the candidate's higher degree, experience and skills will be helpful in getting a job. He will get preference over others with lower qualifications.
    For example, in media and communication organizations any graduate will be eligible to apply. But preference will be given to a candidate with a master's in journalism over any graduate degree.

    In the second case, some employers look essentially for a higher degree holder because of professional regulations.

    In the third case, sometimes employers wish to recruit people with higher qualifications and if they found a suitable candidate they prefer to give preference to him.

    So, employers offer jobs to the higher degree holders and from jobs perspectives, demand for master's degree or higher education is also increasing.

  • #747985
    @747971, for that matter my son a chemical engineer with trained as process engineer, has now working in a Pharma formulations lab and at the interview he was asked as to why seeking change. The working style is almost similar and the content output is concerned with vapors and how the machines would be run with atmosphere change and challenged the interview officials that he be given chance to prove this. Certainly the chance was given and today he completed 5 big projects of his own and earned good name in the office. Here the studies what he has done was for one task and what he attempted was mere personal interest and got success.
    K Mohan @ Moga
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #747987
    Mr. Mohan,
    I support your view as I feel it is a valid point that some people opt for higher education not for adding one more feather to their caps but for their passion to develop their skills ,be it a hobby or desire to learn something different and you son has proved that.

    In addition, I have come across doctors changing their profession even though they had been successful in their field. They have taken up jobs in private companies with only a reasonable amount of salary.
    Thus the bottom line is that higher education doesn't hold water as I have discussed elaborately in the above paragraphs

  • #747988
    If a company wants to have a peaceful environment in the working culture, a care has to be taken in the process of recruitment by ensuring that entrants should have the uniform qualifications so that within themselves there should exist a smooth relationship. Any aspirant having higher qualification for the same post might escalate tension among the group. They will have the apprehension that aspirants by virtue of his higher qualification might enjoy faster promotions and higher management might be inclined more to hear his views in respect of resolving the technical issues. Though it might not be the case as perceived by other aspirants having lesser qualifications but such negative thinking among the peers might impact the productivity level. The management has to ensure this sensible aspect for its own interest apart from maintaining peaceful climate within the industry with the recruitment of candidates having minimum eligible qualifications fitting to the post advertised.

  • #747990
    #747984 I agree with the point you made here since many times they ask for minimum qualifications, but always select a candidate with maximum. This happens in the case of Assistant professor where minimum qualification is NET qualified and Masters, but if their are candidates with MPhil ans PhD, they are given higher preference.
    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #747994
    The importance of higher education is only there when the environment is conducive for it especially when job opportunities are in plenty and people can select a job as per their qualifications and interest.
    Unfortunately we are far away from that situation and people whether they are having higher educational or less education, all are struggling for getting a proper job. Those who are having basic technical qualifications can at least find some small job which requires some technical skills only like - electrician job, plumbing job, house maintenance job, carpenter job etc. There is a good demand of these skilled people and they can earn their livelihood nicely. Problem only comes with the highly qualified people who cannot go for menial jobs and have to compromise a great deal on that account. So definitely there is no use of such higher education which cannot deliver a appropriate job to a person. It in fact becomes a hurdle in his life for choosing a career line in accordance with the high qualification that he possesses. Many people in the society today are going through that painful process of not able to adjust between their qualifications and jobs which they are being offered by the industries or companies around.
    Though many members are advocating for acquiring higher education and its positive sides but in our country and in the job environment in which we are living today, higher education is not helping people to make a career and getting in the desired direction of ones interest and liking.

    Knowledge is power.

  • #748000
    #747985,

    You have given an example of your son who is a chemical engineer and joined the pharma industry. But I want to tell you here that in the pharma industry chemical engineers also have a good scope because they always work on R&D and a chemical engineer is the best fit for R&D work as they can work on the chemical as well as on the engineering aspect. Further, they can also be employed in full-scale manufacturing and managerial posts.

    But the main thing is here that the employer gave the opportunity to your son who is a chemical engineer to prove himself. The employer was willing to employ a chemical engineer and considered his chemical engineering degree for that job also.

    You can see from this case that the employer also seeks an employee who has higher qualifications and/or some specialized skills and can do their job efficiently and in some unique way.

  • #748001
    I once again say that it is the will and wish of the individual what to study and where to stop. So getting qualified and acquiring the skills will be the individual choice. At the same time applying for a particular job also is the choice of the individual. To select a candidate for that post is the choice of the employer. The employers will have their thought processes and mindsets.
    If the qualifications and skill set of the individual match with the requirement, then only the employer will call the individual for an interview and the final selection will be based on the interview. In the process of shortlisting the employer will have his specifications. Here comes the role of higher qualification and many employers will not entertain people with higher qualifications for a post that requires lesser qualification and experience.
    The employer is not undermining the qualification but he doesn't want to demotivate the qualified person to do less important work. But for the candidate, it is becoming a hurdle to get a job.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #748006
    The knowledge of a nation spreads through higher education. Higher education opens the door to new possibilities and enlightens the nation in the light of knowledge. And in our country, this higher education system is involved in various problems. It is not possible to talk about everything now, nor is it possible to solve everything at once. We can't expect that.
    Education is defined in the policy of the Radhakrishnan Commission,
    Expectations of national and cultural education, social needs-based education, and knowledge.
    All kinds of social and cultural activities are possible in education, higher education is needed to achieve humanitarian and human rights awareness.
    Speaking of jobs, those who will study for the job will choose the right path in advance and go that way. I say you can't change them. So it has nothing to do with higher education. Having a highly educated job is someone else's education but will not sink, he will work like him, this is the rule of society. So being highly educated we are not doing anything wrong, because it is in the interest of society. I have personally seen many master's degree holders submit class eight pass certificates to get government jobs and do not show their qualifications. But his education will be useful to society in another way throughout his life.
    So it is better not to associate a job with higher education. So, we are moving in the right direction.

    Believe in the existence of God the superpower.
    Regards
    Dhruba

  • #748011
    I am not of the opinion that a candidate having a higher degree would not cooperate with the management in discharging its role but over time, he may lack interest in the job assigned to him due to some sort of superiority complex which might crop up due to his over qualification. This might be the starting point of his distraction from the responsibilities assigned to him. Once such an attitude develops within the mindset of a candidate, there is no chance of its reversal despite the best counselling of the management. Exit of manpower in the similar fashion would mean that the management has to compensate the loss of the job allotted to the disgruntled employee to someone else, which may not be a healthy cycle.

  • #748012
    #748001,

    In this post, you have mentioned that "many employers will not entertain people with higher qualifications for a post that requires lesser qualification and experience."

    It happens sometimes. Please read my post #747984 carefully. I have also given some cases in my post. It is quite possible that some employers will not entertain higher qualifications for a post that requires lesser qualifications and experience. But many of them will not hesitate to give a chance to higher degree holders or the candidate having higher experience and skills.

    I don't think so that employers are much bothered about the demotivation of highly qualified candidates. They usually want to deploy candidates with good qualifications plus experience.

  • #748013
    #748012,
    I am not in agreement with you. A demotivated person can never deliver goods. So a good employer will always look at various ways and means to motivate his employees. Many people think that money is the only motivating factor. But we all should remember that money is only one of the various issues that motivate the employee. The quality of the work he has to perform will definitely enthuse the employee. This is how an employer thinks and never ignores this factor.
    For the work we did, we may be getting a salary but if we get additional recognition for the work done we will definitely get motivated and we will perform at a better level. When there is no job, we want a job and somehow try to get into it. But once we are employed our perspective will change and look around for the work that suits our skillset and qualification. This factor will make the employer not consider people with higher qualifications for a low profile job. Can anyone expect a graduate engineer to sit on a lathe machine and work on it? If you ask me my answer is no.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #748016
    duplication

  • #748019
    #748013

    I am also humbly disagreeing with you. An employer will not be much bothered about the demotivation of highly qualified candidates while recruiting them on a post that requires lesser qualifications. Because it is the employer who is hiring and it is the choice of the candidate who is desirous to join. It is a matter of mutual understanding of both employer and candidate and both have requirements of each other. So, nobody is compelling here neither to the employer to offer the job nor the candidate to give acceptance for joining.

    Now, suppose the candidate will change his perspective about the job profile after some time of joining that job, which is quite possible then still there is no guarantee that the candidate with the lesser qualification will not change his perspective and will continue the join longer. As soon as he will get another good opportunity he will also switch to another job with work experience.

  • #748020
    #748019
    Different people will have different opinions. The experience one had and the exposure one had will make the difference. When a person is in a very bad requirement of the job, his mindset will be different. Once a job is obtained the mindset will change. These issues are very well known to the employer and he knows what is good for his organisation.
    As mentioned there is a chance for the change of the lesser qualified person also and he may also try for a change. But the probability, in this case, will be very less when compared to the highly qualified personnel. The percentage of people who change may be less in that class.
    Another point that goes against the highly qualified person to get employed in a lower position is group dynamics. In a group of 10 chemists, if 9 are B.Scs and one is an M.Scs and all the people are performing a similar job, the M.Sc candidate will become an oddman out. The others will start treating him differently thinking that he is getting higher pay even though he is performing a similar job. In many MNCs and private organisations. the salaries of individuals are not known to all. So there will be a change in group dynamics and it will be a problem for the top man. That is why many employers avoid highly qualified people for lower positions.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #748031
    The management should clearly indicate the nature of job to be undertaken by the aspirants in the event of their selection and if the job is of menial in nature and and an overqualified candidate applies for the same, in no case he should be absorbed though he might face some more period of unemployment. This would be beneficial for both the management and the aspirant being overly qualified.
    For the sake of getting employment, the aspirant might make a tall promise to remain faithful during his service tenure, but practically the picture might be otherwise once such a candidate joins his duty.
    In order to avoid this uncertainty phase, the management should be careful in respect of qualifications. Only the basic qualification indicated for the post is to be maintained taking no risk of untoward situations at the later stage. If the dissatisfaction develops among the employees due to disparities of qualifications of candidates, it is the management who will be responsible for the unrest for such a turbulent situation.

  • #748037
    #748020

    As you gave an example that in a group of 10 chemists if 9 are B.Scs and one is an M.Sc and all the people are performing a similar job, the M.Sc candidate will become an odd-man-out.
    It may or may not happen because I have seen in my company's laboratory some chemists are BSc degree holders and some of them are MSc. But they all are friends and work together as a team. Yes, there is a difference in salary package that is due to their qualifications.
    But if it happens as you mentioned in your post and BSc chemist change their behaviour for MSc chemist and treat him differently, it will be a matter of internal politics. I don't think so that it will be problematic for the company's management and they will interfere in these issues.

    Now let's look at this example in another way. If in a group of 10 chemists only one is M.Sc. and the rest are BSc. Then Chemist with an M.Sc. qualification will get higher chances of being promoted as a senior chemist, principal chemist or lab in charge. So, a higher degree will increase his chance of promotion and better earning.

    Most employers are much more aware of the value of higher education and higher experience. But the most important thing is that it is the candidate who can best communicate the value of his higher education and experiences in front of him.

  • #748047
    I cannot understand this constant refrain about a higher qualification creating issues on the job, that is, with teamwork. Working in a team is for the benefit of all. No matter how you feel towards a colleague with better pay, it is best to swallow one's jealousy or ego or resentment or whatever and work alongside. After all, one's own job could be in jeopardy, if say, a project goes off the rails and the entire team gets sacked.

    Coming back to the topic, consider research opportunities. When a company takes up research work, it is highly likely to approach the employees who are having higher qualifications because it will be known that those employees will have acquired more knowledge through their postgraduate qualifications. In fact, students are encouraged to work as an assistant to a faculty member who is working on a research project and take up further studies to get ahead in a similar field. I recently read the book Women in Science by Rachel Ignotofsky. It is a collection of brief biographies of 50 women who forged ahead in their careers and made remarkable breakthroughs in various fields of science, technology, engineering, and maths. They did face challenges because of their background or gender, but not because of their academic qualifications. In fact, their field of learning expanded due to studying further, including academically, and some of them even acquired Doctorates and got senior roles in highly reputed institutes and organizations.

    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #748048
    #748020
    When B.Scs are available at a lower salary and they are able to do the job as required, the employer will think why should we pay more. The employer will have many other apprehensions and go back to appoint such candidates.
    Higher qualifications will enhance the chance of getting promotions. But lower qualification persons with experience in a similar line also will have better chances for promotion. Any possibility we can't rule out. But the percentage probability will change.
    Employers definitely know the value of higher education and also know where to use them and where not. Definitely, how an individual presents himself before the interview panel will have a say. But when a company takes a policy decision, these factors will not change its policies.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #748049
    #748047
    What you said is correct when a team is there and working on a common project. But it will not be the case always. Many people will be working as individuals and their performance will be evaluated based on their individual performance only.
    Definitely, higher qualification will expand your horizons and there are certain jobs which are to be carried out by them only and there we can't call them highly qualified and they are suitably qualified persons for that post.
    A person who is suitably qualified for a post may be overqualified or less qualified for another post. It all depends on the job specifications and requirements.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #748064
    Most people identified the problem with higher education, not all the other problems leading to this thinking where people began to think it is a hurdle.
    Sometimes at the institutional level where the employer wants cheap labour so they opt for a less educational person, sometimes a candidate himself is not able to adjust in a low paying job and in the list I will add up one more thing when the candidate himself/herself just stops searching for the better opportunities because of all the societal pressures and feelings of self-loathing and disappointment.
    But if you look at this problem does any of these problems are created by higher education, I guess the answer is no.
    Because all these problems are created by lack of employment opportunities available, lack of amicable environment where a highly qualified person does not feel embarrassed to work at lower wages and people with low earnings, needs of a society that does not feel any work is lower in grade.
    The problem lies in our mental structure the way we see a highly educated person with pity if he/she is not where he/she deserved to be.
    The problem lies with the system that is not willing to use all its valuable human resources.
    The problem lies with our educational institutions which judge students only based on academic scores and not based on how he/they will be able to cope up in a highly competitive environment with very few opportunities.
    The problem lies with an upbringing where a child is pushed toward the government sector and creates a fear of the private sector in his mind.
    The problem lies with lakhs of students preparing for the UPSC exam till a certain age and once they don't qualify they are fit for nothing else.
    Higher education is not the hurdle, the hurdle here is our collective mindset as a society and the unreliable structure which is still not able to stand on its feet after 7 decades of freedom.

    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #748071
    The employers have to keep on their eyes on achieving the targets of the company and while doing so there should not be clash of the egos of the different groups. Considering both the groups having requisite qualifications for the post and the candidates having higher qualifications should be inducted with the different purpose so that highly qualified people are not the problem creators any way in achieving the strategy of the management
    .Each group will have tasks in the companies such as graduate engineers of the organisation will take the lead in achieving the targeted production but the post graduate trainee - technical would look after the research activities where they would look after the quality parameters such as in the steel plant how best with the least coke consumption, the management can produce per ton of hot metal. Instead of using Australian Coke, how best our coke can be utilised with low sulphur content. These are research areas where the higher qualifications can fit the best. This process will eliminate the chances of hurdle of the aspirants having higher qualifications. A far sighted approach is always beneficial for the management and their existing employees.
    With the induction of two separate one for graduate engineers and other for highly qualified technocrats, management could exploit the talents of both the groups for its own benefits both in terms of operational efficiency with the proper training of graduate engineers and improved technological parameters with the dedication of overqualified technocrats and in that way both the groups would work in tandem and absolutely there is no chance of hurdles between the two posts.

  • #748073
    In concluding I would reiterate that the inherent mindset - of peers, family, the job candidate - is what quite often can be the primary challenge to an employment opportunity, rather than the actual academic qualification, Going in for higher studies should not be considered as the reason for the door of an employment opportunity getting slammed in your face, but, in fact, could well be what opens it.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #748074
    #748048,

    When B.Scs are available at a lower salary and they are able to do the job as required, the employer will think why should we pay more. It is OK. But if the candidate with higher education is agreeing to accept the job with a low salary then what? Every employer is doing business and everyone wants good services at a lower cost.

    It is true that a person who is suitably qualified for a post may be overqualified or less qualified for another post. It all depends on the job specifications and requirements. I have the same opinion and I have also mentioned in my post #747984 that for a post minimum eligibility requirements are always set. So, according to a job requirement, the qualification of a person may be higher or sometimes lower as well.

    Now I want to add more here. Recruiting a higher qualified/over-qualified person can contribute more to an organization. Sometimes companies cope up with resources scarcity and in that time they will have to spend more on the training of a candidate who is merely qualified. In this situation, a higher/over-qualified candidate can serve better in such situations. In this type of situation, a higher qualified candidate can serve as a great mentor for junior and inexperienced co-workers.

    Some members have raised a query that overqualified people can leave the organization if they will get a better opportunity. Yes, it is possible. But an overqualified employee can be retained with good management support and constant monitoring. Their presence will be advantageous to the company as they will have innovative ideas, initiatives, better understanding, higher productivity and increased organizational performance, etc.

  • #748075
    There are many ifs and buts. But if we see what is happening in the industry definitely when a highly qualified person is showing interest in a lower-level job, the management is having more apprehensions and not showing interest There are different managements and they think differently. But one has to go by the majority.
    I conclude my discussion with the above remarks. I strongly believe that unemployment is the root cause for the present scenario in the nation and I hope a day will come shortly when everybody will have ample opportunities to show their potential and lead a happy life.

    drrao
    always confident

  • #748081
    Higher education is helpful in getting a good job because there is a direct relationship between the education level and getting a job. As per a study conducted in the US by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics in 2013, at each higher level of education, the unemployment level drops. The unemployment rate of people graduating high school was 8.3 per cent while that of college graduates was 4.5 per cent.

    Further, higher education increase knowledge, practical skills, enhance soft skills, strong work ethic. Higher degrees can help build upon experience and broaden skillsets. Higher education and higher experience is something that always attracts business executives. Because if an employee tries to expand his knowledge and skills he will ultimately be beneficial to the company also. So, higher education can never be overlooked by employers. There may be some reasons that a highly qualified candidate is not getting a job but definitely, his higher education is not responsible for this.

    I conclude my discussion with the view that higher education makes a candidate eligible for higher-paying, more prestigious jobs. And it cannot be a hurdle in getting a job. Rather, after getting the higher education and advanced skills he will become the most competitive candidate for a job.


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