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    Do you feel the need for formal education to be successful in life? - active GD

    We are having our popular active GD (Group Discussion) after a long time, and, yes, we will be having cash prizes. Hurrah! Let's have a high level of enthusiastic participation.

    The topic: Do you feel the need for formal education to be successful in life?

    This will be a debate-cum-discussion on whether formal education and success are co-related/inter-dependent or not, and you are welcome to air your views on both sides of the coin. Just ensure that you follow our forum posting guidelines.

    We will award the two best participants with a cash prize of Rs.150/- each.

    Closing date: 17th May 2023.

    [Credit acknowledgment- the topic has been selected from Partha's response #773003 in this thread on campus placement drives. Thank you, Partha.]
  • #773090

    Points:-10
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  • #773091

    Points:5
    Formal education is an important part of the growing up period of a person. The basic purpose of acquiring formal education is to acquire basic knowledge, learnings, and academic ideas so that in the future the person would be able to handle work situations using that background knowledge from time to time. Traditionally formal education was related to the career of a person because there was a time when more job vacancies were there as compared to the number of qualified people available. Due to the increase in population and also the increase in the number of qualified people this equation, unfortunately, failed and the relationship between formal education and career did not remain straightforward.
    Many people after acquiring some basic education simply started some business or some skillful job and made their career by that route. So, for them, there was not at all a direct connection between the two.
    In today's situation, there is no one-to-one relationship between formal education and career as the competition has increased significantly and there are skills and techniques that seem more important to acquire to face the challenges of those particular jobs.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #773092

      

    Points:2 (₹ 2)
    Formal education is not required for one to be successful in life. Acquired skills through observation and passion and willpower to follow one's heart can make a person successful even if he does not possess any formal education. Education is not all about going to school or reading textbooks.
    'Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all'.
    -Aristotle

  • #773093

    Points:4
    I welcome the GD and the GD topic. I am interested to participate in the GD and post m views to the maximum possible extent in the midst of my other matters .

    The GD question, as I understand is whether I feel that formal education is essential "to be be successful in life".
    I would answer or state my view in brief in two points or in a conditional way.

    I feel formal education is essential in life. But I don't feel it is needed for a successful life.

    I am sue it is not so easy to express and convince all about this. But I hope I will be clear when the discussion progresses.
    I welcome good participation from members for an active GD.

  • #773094

    Points:5 (₹ 5)
    It depends on how we define success in life; we can say whether a person is successful or not. If we see success just in terms of monetary gains and profit made, yes, surely a person can succeed without formal education; in fact, many rich people did not have any formal education, but they achieved quite a big feat in their lives.

    Whereas if the parameters of defining success are changed slightly, it is not just the money-making but the overall development of a person. Most importantly, the happiness quotient, anger management, and peaceful life education do play an important role- by saying this, I don't mean formally educated people are less likely to suffer such things. Still, well-educated people often are tender towards the next generation and their struggles and understand a lot of things. For me, the answer to the debate depends on the parameter of success how one will define the success.
    "It is hardest thing in the world to be good thinker without being a good self examiner"

  • #773095

    Points:4
    I agree with the statement that formal education is a stepping stone toward a successful life. You can't survive in this world if you don't have enough connections, which is only possible through formal education where people are professionally connected. There is cutthroat competition in the professional world, and someone who isn't educated well will find it difficult to become a successful person. Some people may argue that there are people who have succeeded without any formal education but I think such cases are exceptional cases. Not everyone in this world is lucky enough to have a brain that can make you successful without any formal education.
    Humble yourself or life will do it for you!

  • #773096

    Points:5
    Formal education is essential to the extent that we can be familiar with the social culture prevailing in our society apart from strengthening our analytical skills through the process of formal education. Our exposure with Literature, Social Science and History provide us a lot informations of civilisation existing in the different societies. These subjects help us to understand the human behaviour closely. Moreover the formal education strengthens our analytical abilities especially in the critical situations where our ultimate decision would create a positive result. More we go deeply through the process of formal education, more we become proficient in handling the different situations successfully with the utilisation of all the inputs received by way of our formal education.
    However, formal education is not necessarily essential to lead a successful career in any field. With the application of sheer intelligence, clarity of steps to be taken in a given situation and instantaneous decisions due to long experience in the similar job can make one perfect in his job assignment.
    Hence we can conclude that achieving success without the formal education is possible with the dedicated efforts of the man concerned in an area where he is fully engrossed apart from nurturing his thinking abilities.

  • #773097

    Points:7 (₹ 7)
    First of all, it's great to see the GD after a long time. Congratulations to all and thank you Editors as well as Webmasters! The topic "Do you feel the need for formal education to be successful in life?" is truly amazing and worthy in today's scenario.

    I strongly believe that formal education is a vital component of success in anyone's life. Here are some arguments and evidence in support of my opinion.

    Firstly, formal education provides individuals with a wide range of options for their life to choose the better prospects. Let it be their career, life, or success. For example, a person with a degree in computer science or IT is most suitable for the technical industry.

    A person with a degree in law has the skills and knowledge necessary for the law and justice field. Formal education makes people fully compatible with the field they want to pursue in their careers. And also enhances their skills in the same field.

    Secondly, formal education is essential for personal growth and the development of their lifestyle. It provides individuals to make their strengths more strong and works out their weaknesses. For example, a person who studies philosophy gains critical thinking and analytical skills which are going to be utilized further in their life.

    Thirdly, formal education provides individuals with a network of contacts that can be invaluable in their careers. By attending a university or college, individuals will become team member of their social connections. In today's scenario, it is very much visible that everyone wants to be part of some of the social clubs, groups, or organizations. These connections can lead to career opportunities, collaborations, and support throughout an individual's life.

    Finally, formal education is linked to higher earnings and better job opportunities. After looking at the report by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, individuals with a bachelor's degree are earning 80% more than others who don't have these degrees. In addition, many high-paying jobs require formal education as a prerequisite.

    In conclusion, formal education is essential for success in life. It provides individuals with the skills and knowledge necessary for their chosen careers, promotes personal growth and development, and provides valuable networking opportunities. It is also linked to higher earnings and better job opportunities. There are many examples which contradict this but they are exceptional situations and cases.

    Therefore, everyone must have a formal education in their life. It will not only open the doors of a good lifestyle but also evolve a better economic, social, and spiritual space for them. And overall a 360 degree level up!
    Arvind
    "Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X

  • #773102

    Points:5
    Let me clarify with a few examples where some great personalities like Mr Bill Gates has created a dashing impact for his huge fortune positioning him among the richest person in the world despite his dropping out college educations prematurely.
    The another example in the same line is Mr, Ritesh Agrawal, CEO of OYO group dropping out his college at the age of 18 and started his exciting career in Oravel Stays which later transformed into OYO Rooms.
    Next Stalwart is Gautam Adani - Chairman of Adani Group who started on his own quitting his degree halfway for his assignments in business.
    Mr, Bill Gates - the founder of Microsoft is one of the burning examples devoid of a formal degree. He started his career in Harvard University in 1973 but later relinquished his studies to start Microsoft.
    These are some of examples of great people who have made their marks in the different domains despite their humble background of formal education but are known for their brilliance for exercising their own skills.

  • #773105

    Points:5 (₹ 5)
    Formal education to some good level is essential in one's life but that is not the end of learning. There are many things that we learn from common sense, practicals, and experiences in our work. There are many people who are not highly educated but they manage a workplace with great ease and success. They know how to increase productivity and how to deliver things on time.

    One of my friends who did his graduation in humanities had an interest in business. During the dotcom boom, he opened a small IT consulting company and hired a few IT professionals and soon his business flourished and he became very successful during that phase as he gained some knowledge of various IT jobs and how to deliver the results or application packages to the clients in an effective manner. At that time some big companies had already started to provide IT services but this guy was providing the same at a reasonable price and got good business.

    There are many such examples where people have progressed and succeeded in their careers in spite of having minimal academic qualifications.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #773107

    Points:5
    Education is necessary for success in life we can not say as there are many who proved against the statement. I also believe in the same.

    It is not necessary that formal education is always required for a better life and success. Here are four real-life examples of successful people who did not go through a formal educational system yet are top of their careers in various fields.

    Richard Branson: The billionaire entrepreneur behind the Virgin Group of companies left school at age 16 without any formal qualifications. However, he went on to build a multi-billion dollar empire through his innovative business ventures.

    Bill Gates: The co-founder of Microsoft famously dropped out of Harvard University to pursue his vision for a personal computer revolution. Due to his sharp acumen and business mind, he became the most successful in his era. Even today no one is nearby his future success what he developed.

    Coco Chanel: The famous fashion designer who revolutionized the industry with her iconic designs grew up in an orphanage and did not receive any formal education in design.

    Mark Zuckerberg: The creator of Facebook MZ! He dropped Harvard to pursue his vision for the social networking platform. Now he is the most influential person in the world of technology. Also, he is a major player in the online advertising industry.

    These examples demonstrate that success can be achieved through a combination of talent, hard work, and innovative thinking, without necessarily relying on a formal education.

    However, it is important to note that education and that too formal education is still one of the most sought-after systems to make life better. Knowledge and networking are also fruitful for this category widely. Ultimately, the value of education will depend on the individual and their specific goals and aspirations.
    Learn one more language and you will feed your brain the top nutrition!
    - Geeta

  • #773110

    Points:5
    Education is learning. We learn throughout our life. Then what is formal education in that?

    Formal, Informal and Non-formal education:

    School-based classroom learning is what is generally taken as Formal education.

    What we learn through our experiences and exposures daily and day to day, without confining ourselves to a classroom or any prescribed syllabus and without any exams is Informal learning.
    Non-formal education is when formal education takes place outside a classroom.

    Formal education involves and has evolved into a systematic, orderly, and sequential way of teaching and learning. It has various stages and graded progressions as per the age and comprehensive ability of the student. Separately denoted by terms like class, standard, form, etc. the terms may vary as per times, countries, and other factors subject to subsequent to periodical reviews and reforms.

    Asper Indian Constitution, Article 21-A, (after the 86th amendment in 2002), education for all children of the age group of six to fourteen years is a Fundamental Right. Then came the Right To Education (RTE), which means every child has a right to elementary formal education in a formal school classroom; of course, as per conditions and guidelines stipulated under the legislation.
    Hence as of now, formal elementary education is compulsory in India, and so, we can reasonably believe that all children up to fourteen years get compulsory formal education.

    I am quoting below UNESCO's definition or explanation of formal education:
    "Education that is institutionalized, intentional and planned through public organizations and recognized private bodies and, in their totality, make up the formal education system of a country."…… "Formal education typically takes place in educational institutions that are designed to provide full-time education for students in a system designed as a continuous educational pathway."……" Formal education also includes education for all age groups with programme content and qualifications that are equivalent to those of initial education. Programmes that take place partly in the workplace may also be considered formal education if they lead to a qualification that is recognised by national education authorities (or equivalent). These programmes are often provided in cooperation between educational institutions and employers (e.g. apprenticeships)."

  • #773111

    Points:5 (₹ 5)
    Some participants( vide post #773102, #773107 above) had referred to certain names to prove that formal education is not needed for success in life. Yes, I am also aware of such examples quoted. While I was also thinking of dwelling on such examples in the course of my discussion without disputing them I just want to highlight that the percentage of such people in the vast human ocean is not even minuscule, it is still less and just a speck of sand.
    Highlighting these examples alone will give a wrong picture that all others had formal education and only these handfuls or few are successful only because they avoided or could not get formal education.

    If that was the case why UN or national governments made formal education compulsory at least to some level? Why there is an increase in formal education institutions? I think dwelling on only such examples to prove a point is either premature or lacking in quantum at this stage of discussion.

  • #773113

    Points:5
    If there is the eagerness for learning, this can be achieved through either of the process but the question is whether the formal education process is affordable to all the classes. Unfortunately, there are a lot of children struggling hard to get the facilities of formal education. First and foremost reason for the same facility is due to the fact their parents are not fully familiar with the benefits of formal education. They remain under dilemma of the immediate benefits of the formal education.
    I am illustrating a few examples of neural responses of the parents of sending their wards in schools due to their immediate need of money which the child can bring as a result of his engagement in some tea - shops, working under street vendors or sending them in some departmental stores for supplementing the incomes of the families. They are not far- sighted either. Of late, this trend was observed in Jharkhand and to lure the children for the education, mid - day meal was introduced to make both child and his parents comfortable. The results were not commensurate to the efforts made by the state government.
    Ultimately some of kids were forced to discontinue their education due to the family conditions and joined the group of car mechanic. Income at the beginning of some children was humble but later, there was substantial surge of income making the parents happy. It is not that the children are not getting education but their means of education is different. Here their learning process is continuous. More they are passionate, more they learn in this line. They become veterans in the areas of improving the efficiency of cars through the innovative process and they can earn substantially beyond the imaginations of parents. Their incomes are dependant upon their level of curiosity to learning, sustained interests and the support of families.

  • #773114

    Points:5
    Education is required for a person to be successful in life. But formal education may not be essential for success. It may enhance the chances of success.

    I got good formal education. I am having a happy home with a supportive wife. Two sons of us settled well in their lives and living happily. Can I say I am successful in my life?

    One of my friends in my native village is in the profession of agriculture. He stopped studying after 5th class but supported his father in agriculture and he learned good farming techniques on his own and expanded his property. His family life is also good. He had two daughters. Both are well-settled and leading a happy life. Can I say he is successful in his life?

    We can mention many such cases who did well in their lives. Some with formal education and some without formal education. What is the difference between education and formal education? Formal education is a classroom-based education. This will be provided by trained teachers. Informal education is something learned on his/ her own based on practical experiences. Generally, we all refer to formal education as education only. We say educational qualifications only but never say formal education qualifications.

    A mouse running away when a cat is visible is also an education but may be acquired on its own. Such learnings are necessary. Without education, success will never hug him/her. But not formal education is a necessity.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773115

    Points:5
    In one of the previous posts, I explained what is formal education in detail.
    By making elementary formal education a fundamental right and
    Free(in government-owned and govt funded schools) a base fact to be aware of is that every person in this country would have undergone at least formal education up to elementary level.
    So the core of our discussion needs to consider only formal education above the elementary level. By the end of elementary-level education, a child would have learned a basic of the alphabet and basic numbers. This is the most difficult stage of learning or education. By this, the basic foundation would have been laid and what remains is the construction of super structure in formal education.
    Our own traditional wisdom on learning and teaching says that education does not rest only on the early formal education. It is divided into four major quarters only one quarter is fulfilled by formal reaching.
    The relevant verse is:
    " Aachaaryaad Paadam aadathe
    Paadam shishya swamedhayaa,
    Paadam sabhramacharyah,
    Paadam Kaalakramena cha."

    It is very clear that education is not just formal education, but just one fourth of our total education. That is three fourth of our education is lying in the of Informal education

  • #773116

    Points:5
    What is success? There are different views about this. The most accepted definition of success is accomplishing the goal set, having achieved popularity, profit, or distinction. Many people may not consider this definition as correct.

    One lady whom I know did her PhD, Worked as a lecturer and never married. She dedicated her life to serving her old father and mother. Her goal is to see that their parents will spend a happy life as long as they are on this earth. She refused many good lecturer posts in famous colleges and settled in a small private college in her native place for a small salary. But she never felt unhappy and both her parents were happy till their last breath. So she feels that she is successful.

    Self-satisfaction is very important and a satisfied person is always a successful person.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773118

    Points:5
    I agree with Venkiteswaran that more than formal education, self-acquired learning will be more useful for any individual. Informal education is also very important. A person should learn from his observations and experiences and apply them in his journey of life wherever required. These things will never be taught in our formal education.

    I never think earning more is a success in life. Being a satisfied person is a success. If I set a goal of becoming the Prime Minister of India and ultimately, if I could not reach that post I am unsuccessful in my life even though I have crores of rupees with me. I always feel that a satisfied person is a successful person.

    I am not in agreement with the view that making more connections and having more friends is possible only for persons having a formal education. That depends on the interest of the individual.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773121

    Points:5
    Before I explain my point of view in detail, I wish to convey that I firmly believe that true success depends upon proper formal education. Education does not only have to be academic; it depends upon the aspirant in which field one wants to get established. Be it sports, fine arts, performing arts and more: one has to undergo training to learn all the nuances to be successful in their skill. Following a structured pattern for education in any field is essential, but that does not mean one has to secure a school, college or institutional certificate. In my opinion, anyone learning by following a structured pattern under any private tutor is also formal training, isn't it so?

    The big names which have come up in the discussion are partially true. They might not have completed their college education, but they were all achievers in their school days. They studied hard to understand the details of the path and worked on it. Formal education is not about going to an institution and getting a degree. Sports enthusiasts join sports academies for traditional training, but there is no examination to secure a degree in sports. Formal education in any field is a must, but not a certificate.
    shampasaid

  • #773125

    Points:5
    I wish to draw the attention of all the respected members: that is why we go so far as to find out the successful names. The Nightingale of India, Ms Lata Mangeshkar, had no school education. The field she chose was music, and she trained under her father, but after his death, she took lessons in Hindustani Classical Music from another teacher. Learning from someone by following a proper form helps not only in achieving perfection but also helps in experimenting.

    Learning through watching, following, copying, and listening can never open a big horizon for anyone to succeed and establish oneself for too long. Educating oneself in any educational centre or under any tutor can give mental strength to march ahead as the teachers help to motivate and strengthen the student's capability. It is undoubtedly required.
    shampasaid

  • #773127

    Points:5
    Formal education will never take you to the top. Career progress depends more on the skills of the individual. Using what you learned in your classroom is an important issue. So a person who enhances his/ her knowledge by observing, watching and understanding only will excel in his profession and may be successful. That is why more importance is given to internships, on-job training, etc. Many graduates will join in jobs. But all of them can't become CEOs. The ability of self-learning of the individual speaks more here.
    Learning is a two-way process; a good learner can learn from a classroom and the universe also. There is no certification for what you learn on your own. But that will add to your qualification and that add-on only will become the deciding factor for the success. There are some people whom I come across in my career who are very successful without any formal education. So I say formal education is not a requirement for the success of an individual.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773128

    Points:5
    There are many people who have changed their career path without having any formal education and have emerged successful with their constant practice and dedication through the informal education.
    This is particularly more relevant in the Indian scenario where due to the family poverty or otherwise, dropouts from schools multiply alarmingly when the students enter into high schools. They face a lot of inconvenience to pursue formal education due to the financial crisis of families and they need to join any fruitful jobs for which they have acquired skills and experience. There might be stiff competition sometimes with the candidates having received formal education and both the categories have assembled for their final selections.
    In connection with the recruitment for the post of Junior Manager in Bokaro Steel Plant through the internal circular, 23 Diploma Holders turned up for the final interview and rest four were experienced hands in the Blast Furnace Area having no formal education. Interview proceeded in the smooth environment. The Board of Interview discovered that a candidate having no formal education was far far better than the candidates having their diploma backgrounds. This candidate replied why to consume time for the chemical analysis to ascertain the composition of Silicon, Manganese, Phosphorus, Sulphur etc making the tapping process delayed costing both time and cost. The candidate claimed that by seeing the colour of the hot metal, he could ascertain the composition of the chemical constituents thereby making the process easy for tapping. He was invited in the floor session to show his caliber and the there was no deviation what he said when tested through chemical analysis.
    This is one of examples of demonstration of skills of the candidate which he acquired through his passion and experience.

  • #773129

    Points:5
    Let me share a concept with you that will challenge the way you think:

    Formal education is only one part of learning. It's important, yes, but what is even more important is to be open-minded and adventurous in life.

    Think of it this way: Learning is a continuous, never-ending process. It is more than just studying textbooks and memorizing facts. It is about exploring and experiencing the world, immersing yourself in different cultures, understanding what drives people, and discovering your own capabilities.
    That being said, formal education definitely plays an important role in your growth - it helps you gain the necessary knowledge, understandings, and skills to become successful in life. But, it is just one part of the big picture.

    You owe it to yourself to become the best version of you.
    Arvind
    "Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X

  • #773134

    Points:0
    I completely agree with Venkiteswaran Sir and his points in support of formal education. I will further elaborate on why formal education is necessary with the below-mentioned points.

    Acquiring knowledge and skills: Formal education provides a structured and organized way to acquire knowledge and skills in various subjects such as mathematics, science, language, history, and more. It offers a comprehensive curriculum designed to cover essential areas of learning, ensuring a well-rounded education.

    Foundation for future opportunities: Education serves as a foundation for future opportunities by equipping individuals with the necessary knowledge and skills to pursue higher education or enter the workforce. It lays the groundwork for personal and professional development, opening doors to a wider range of career options.

    Critical thinking and problem-solving: Formal education fosters critical thinking skills and problem-solving abilities. It encourages students to analyze information, evaluate evidence, and think critically to make informed decisions. These skills are valuable in various aspects of life, including work, relationships, and personal growth.

    Social and emotional development: Education goes beyond academic subjects; it also supports social and emotional development. Schools provide an environment where students interact with peers, learn to work collaboratively, build relationships, and develop essential life skills such as communication, empathy, and teamwork.

    Personal growth and self-discipline: Formal education instills a sense of self-discipline and structure. It teaches students how to manage their time, set goals, and develop good study habits. These skills are crucial for personal growth and success in any endeavor.

    Citizenship and societal values: Education plays a vital role in shaping responsible citizens and promoting societal values. It provides an understanding of ethics, democracy, social justice, and cultural diversity, fostering a sense of civic responsibility and active participation in society.

    Access to opportunities: Formal education often serves as a gateway to opportunities that may otherwise be inaccessible. It helps break the cycle of poverty, reduces inequality, and offers a path to social mobility by equipping individuals with the knowledge and skills needed to improve their lives.

    While formal education is widely recognized as important, it is worth noting that alternative forms of education and lifelong learning also play valuable roles in personal and professional development. The specific educational needs and goals may vary for different individuals, and there are various paths to acquiring knowledge and skills outside of traditional formal education systems.
    Humble yourself or life will do it for you!

  • #773136

    Points:3
    Amazing Ajay!
    You have nailed it with your detailed post.
    Agree with your statements and details related to the post.
    I am also a strong believer in formal education but also look for opportunities for pupil to get enhanced in their practical life too. I also look both the systems as two different sides of the same coin. Both are needed and both has their own pros and cons. Then why not to integrate both systems and let our future buddies grow rapidly than the past learners.
    Arvind
    "Education is the passport to the future, for tomorrow belongs to those who prepare for it today." - Malcolm X

  • #773138

    Points:5
    Informal education provides us an occasion of learning something without even realising that we are in the learning mode. The learning process may start even if we are engrossed in talking to our friends or even strangers with the sole purpose of acquiring knowledge in a particular domain.
    Asking questions, watching problem solving videos, browsing on social media etc constitute some of examples of informal training. Here most of the added advantages of this process is the non involvement of any cost by way of extra charge to learn a particular module.
    Let us analyse the immediate benefits of informal education listed below-
    1) First of all, we need not deploy a teacher or a tutor to learn something in a particular field. There could be the different means of acquiring skills such as through videos, social media or even our friends connected to a profession for which we have passion to learn such a module deeply.
    2) There is no chance of boredom since we are ourselves eager to know that particular domain.
    3) It is a continuous process and there is no one forcing us to learn.
    4) There is no age bar for learning through the informal process provided we have a passion for it.
    5) It is the best way of acquiring a new skill set regardless of the fact that we are engrossed in other business but we are open minded to learn a new domain.
    In nut shell, we have plenty of opportunities to learn something though we were deprived of basic education in our childhood days. The only essential parameter is our eagerness to achieve the best skills profitable to us.

  • #773139

    Points:4
    Today the purpose of formal education is only for making a student eligible to apply in competitive exams for further education or a job. That is the only purpose that formal education meets.
    It is only after getting selected in those tough examinations that a student can think of making a career academically. Other than that many people have no interest or stamina to appear in the tough competitive examinations and they acquire some trade or technical certificate or diploma and start providing basic skill works and services to the customers. Some of the enterprising ones innovate new ideas in business and become very successful. So success comes to different people in different ways and there is no relation between their formal education to it.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #773140

    Points:5
    I find a valid point when Shampa Sadya( # 773121) argues "…one has to undergo training to learn all the nuances to be successful in their skill. Following a structured pattern for education in any field is essential,
    This is in the same line with my opening post in this GD(773093) and I quote the relevant part again for clarity: "I feel formal education is essential in life. But I don't feel it is needed for a successful life. I am sure it is not so easy to express and convince all about this. But I hope I will be clear when the discussion progresses.".

    Formal education or structured systematic education refines and cultures the raw talents to more creative and effective results. A child who can sing, draw, make rhythmic beats and make dancing movements. This may entertain and enthrall people who would then appreciate the child's talent. But out of similar thousands of such talented children, how many have reached high or made more contributions or left indelible marks in the profession or field of their talent without formal education? There can be one Lata Mangeshkar or a few more names. But after their departure that is gone. But the system of education that has refined and developed many other thousands will make the field sustain, survive and excel through many other thousands.

    I have a personal experience.
    The kitchen platform was made by a popular small-time contractor with his unskilled workers. But he was having enough work and even he was in demand. So we can say he was a successful work contractor. But when I wanted to make a modular kitchen some years later, t was done by young people who were trained and educated in vocational skills. They had the necessary tools. It was by using the leveler tool they found that the kitchen platform did not have a proper level and was having a slant. That made it difficult for them to use standard materials and they had to do many adjustments by cutting and grinding. This shows that workmanship becomes more refined and perfect through formal training on the related subject.

    I had read that the late S P Balasubramaniam was not formally trained. But with his innate talent and sincere and dedicated work ethic he became a very successful playback singer and could sing many thousand songs. But he could not present a 'Sangeet Kacheri' or Carnatic Music Concert because of this lack of formal training. Mr.K.J.Ysudas who was formally trained in Music also is a successful playback singer in many languages, a well-received performer in Musical Concerts, and also did music direction. I gave these two real recent examples to just make the difference formal education or training can make.

    In short, while a well-talented person can perform and become successful, a lack of formal education in that field can limit his achievements and success from what better or the best he could have achieved or performed. Lack of exposure to formal training and education will result in not exposing the real potential f such a person. So he and others have to be content with whatever performance he does and applaud it as success.

  • #773143

    Points:5
    Let's again consider the examples of Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates mentioned by some respected members, but one must not ignore that both were Harvard dropouts. Joining a course at Harvard University signifies that both were full of potential and calibre. They were disinterested in going through a rigorous curriculum, so they left it mid-way and invested every minute in fulfilling their dream, but that doesn't mean they left studying, researching and experimenting. Then again, it proves that education, to get a certificate or not, is essential in establishing oneself as an achiever.

    I don't wish to name the political leaders who had not even passed their School Board Examination but are holding the most important portfolios in the present ministry in their state. Do you consider it to be a success in real terms? Sorry, I don't. They have utilised their political and family backing, which won't improve the state's education system and health department. Well, it might see a downfall because unqualified people are at the helm. Being a Minister sounds like a successful stint, but it's not because their lack of formal school education speaks it all. Such is not the case with Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg. They completed their school education, joined a prestigious university like Harvard and later opted to drop out with a dream in their eyes. They enhanced their skills and understanding through research and learning as their mind was engrossed in one direction of becoming an entrepreneur. They are going strong in their field, which reflects that they are in the process of learning, experimenting and developing. Thus, learning systematically, either under a teacher's guidance or through personal experiments, makes all the difference between qualified and unqualified.
    shampasaid

  • #773144

    Points:5
    I know still a day is left to discuss on the topic. But based on the statements about formal and informal education discussed above, it can be concluded that informal education plays a crucial role in our overall learning and development. While formal education may primarily focus on meeting eligibility criteria for exams or job prospects, informal education offers a broader opportunity for continuous and lifelong learning.

    Informal education occurs in various settings such as everyday life experiences, interactions with others, self-directed learning, and engagement with hobbies or interests. It allows us to learn and acquire knowledge, skills, and perspectives without the formal constraints of a structured curriculum. Importantly, informal education fosters curiosity, creativity, and critical thinking by providing opportunities to explore diverse subjects and engage in experiential learning.

    Informal education is valuable because it enables us to learn at our own pace, pursue personal interests, and discover new passions. It helps in developing practical skills, expanding social connections, and nurturing a holistic understanding of the world. By embracing informal education alongside formal education, individuals can enhance their personal growth, adaptability, and lifelong learning capabilities, empowering them to thrive in a rapidly changing society.
    Learn one more language and you will feed your brain the top nutrition!
    - Geeta

  • #773146

    Points:5
    There are many unfortunate fellows deprived of their formal education due to one reason or the other but that did not deter them from pursuing their chosen careers though they faced many odds in achieving their mission.
    They must keep this thing in mind that source of learning is always open to them and in no case, they should loose their heart. The easiest way to excel in their chosen paths is their determination and eagerness. However their ongoing journey could not be easy either since there are many obstacles that could influence them in forging ahead. They might be forced by their own family members and relatives to reevaluate their steps.
    If they are determined fully to go ahead with the mission, nothing will prevent them from attaining their missions for which they have made up their minds. There is no end to learning process if they want to acquire any skill of their likings.

  • #773151

    Points:5
    Without formal education becoming a leader and becoming a minister may not be considered a success. I agree. But there are ministers who are having formal education but earned a lot of money just like the other minister who is not having any formal education. As such what is the use of having formal education?

    But getting a formal education qualification and getting a job with a decent salary is also not a success in my opinion. The measure of success is a relative issue and different people may have different understandings about it.

    I am not telling that formal education holders will never be successful. I say it is not a necessity for success in life. I again say that achieving the set goal is success in life. Success completely depends on the goals you set and it is a mental feeling and satisfaction.

    In 1970, one person whom I know completed his B.Sc (Agriculture). Unfortunately, he did not get any job. People thought he will suffer a lot in his life. But he took up the profession of his father and survived. The profession is in no way related to his qualification. He is having one elder brother who is not having any formal education. After the demise of their father, they got separated and both continued the same business separately. But the elder brother made more profits and his sons settled well in their lives. His formal education never came in handy for his success.
    There may be many more such examples. So I strongly feel that formal education is not a prerequisite for success in life. I strongly believe.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773152

    Points:4
    I would say that earning potential is not related to the qualification alone which one has earned. It might be either formal education or otherwise. The main factor behind the success is the critical analysis of the situation and his flexibility in adjustment so that he fits in that environment. There should not be any regret that he has not acquired the formal education but should try to update himself through the interaction of the experts of the area to extract the relevant details of the trades which he has undertaken. There are social platforms, videos, his colleagues of his company to provide him deeper insights related to his jobs.
    Success would depend upon how one adjusts with the current market demand without worrying unnecessarily.

  • #773157

    Points:4
    Formal education is necessary and it should be compulsory. If you are not formally educated, you will be treated as an animal. There is a say in Telugu "Vidyaleni vadu vintha passuvu".There might be a few exceptions in achieving success without formal education as you all know I am more interested in Statistics subject and you keep an eye numbers on the success rate for those who do not have formal education vs those who have formal education the numbers (success rate) suggest that who have done formal education their success rates are very high in achieving success. Hence we can draw the hypothesis that formal education is necessary and required. In countries that are developed for example United States and European countries and in China there are very minute who do not have formal education. So proper education is necessary and it's a must.
    Based on the situation, humans in the society should follow an abelian group (Closure, Associative, Identity, Inverse, and Commutative)-- Bhushan

  • #773158

    Points:5
    It's important to note that success without formal education often requires self-motivation, determination, resilience, continuous learning, and a willingness to take risks. While formal education can provide a foundation, alternative paths to success are possible through practical experience, self-education, mentorship, and leveraging one's unique strengths and talents.

    Not many people in this world are self-motivated to achieve their goals and they need an environment to succeed, which is provided through schools and colleges where people from diverse backgrounds interact and learn new things. Informal education on the other hand is just like roaming in the world without any aim or direction. Formal education not only provided an environment but also instills qualities like discipline, teamwork, and communication skills which help a person to succeed in life.
    Humble yourself or life will do it for you!

  • #773160

    Points:5 (₹ 5)
    The topic here is restricted to whether formal education is necessary or not?! Not how we learned it properly or improperly because it depends on Individuals. where self-learning is not at all possible for every individual through formal education only we can achieve success. Man's curiosity will increase through formal education. Suppose a person studied that "A Graphite has the only tendency to convert into diamond under tremendous Temperature and Pressure" Now a person who studied that will increase curiosity about this how it is possible?!. So like that, we see several innovations which are useful in day-to-day life activities. where curiosity develops. Necessity and curiosity are the mother of all the inventions I will continue my arguments in the next post in favor of Formal education.
    Based on the situation, humans in the society should follow an abelian group (Closure, Associative, Identity, Inverse, and Commutative)-- Bhushan

  • #773163

    Points:4
    I agree that self-motivation is important for success. It is equally important for both persons who are having formal education and who are not having formal education also. If formal education can make the individual self-motivated all people who are having formal education should be successful in their lives. But we see how many people with formal education suffered a lot even without getting proper employment.

    Somehow, after seeing so many people with formal education, I am not in agreement with the statement that discipline and other skills will come. If that is the case, there is no necessity for people to go for additional certifications in skill set courses.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773164

    Points:2
    I am again and again clarifying that debate or discussion is Is formal education necessary or not? The discussion is not about whether how the individuals learn properly the formal education or not?!. Strange as it may seem, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it.
    Based on the situation, humans in the society should follow an abelian group (Closure, Associative, Identity, Inverse, and Commutative)-- Bhushan

  • #773165

    Points:2
    There is a poem in Telugu Chaduvadi yenta galigina rasagnatha inchuku chalakuna aa chaduvu nirdhakambu".If you studied a formal education but you have not taken it seriously or have not taken the positive things of it then your education is a waste. it will be like you have done or cooked yummy food but in that, if you forgot to put salt in that so all your yummy food becomes tasteless...
    Based on the situation, humans in the society should follow an abelian group (Closure, Associative, Identity, Inverse, and Commutative)-- Bhushan

  • #773166

    Points:5
    Education would mean awareness and continuous learning based on their complete studies and assimilation of the inputs properly so as to get the maximum benefits due to their involvement.
    There are some people taking their education from the universities while others gain it through their own efforts understanding the concepts of the course undertaken by them. In the later part, the aspirants enjoy more clarity due to their dedicated efforts apart from their passion for their chosen field.
    However, success is a different entity not related to their achievements but is dependent upon their mental satisfaction which the aspirants are enjoying due to their involvements.
    Let us take a few examples to understand the satisfaction quotient more clearly in the following cases -
    1) Benjamin Franklin confined his studies to practical research and the entire world knows his great work.
    2) Charlemagne showed his dismal performance in his studies but he is recognised as father of the Europe.
    3) Sachin Tendulkar studied up to class ten but he is veteran in the field of cricket and is known as a successful player.
    4) Aamir Khan studied up to class twelve only but he has shown his exceptional talents in the field of acting.
    However, the characters indicated above put their best efforts through their involvements in the imperial education for their sustained success.

  • #773169

    Points:8 (₹ 8)
    #773151
    Let me clarify a point that corruption has nothing to do with education. No one says that a formally educated person will always be honest. Or, people without formal education will be dishonest. Honesty and dishonesty connect with a person's conscience and not knowledge or education.

    Another point is what you expect from being successful. Is it that everyone has to be Bill Gates and others like him? First of all, I don't consider him to be a successful entrepreneur without formal education. He chose to work on his ambition by dropping out of college, doesn't mean he did not study for his project, as he had joined Harvard after schooling.

    According to you, people with formal education who have a decent job with a good salary are unsuccessful. Everyone cannot be Bill Gates because everyone's requirements, intellect and ambition differ. Why don't you consider the name of Dr A P J Abdul Kalam, Mr Narayan Murthy, Ms Sudha Murthy and many more? They are all successful personalities with higher formal education.

    I believe formal education is always a gateway to success. Everyone doesn't have to become who's who, but leading a respectable life is what matters. Some must have reached unparallel achievements without formal training, and education doesn't mean it's the norm. There is a word called destiny which one cannot ignore.
    shampasaid

  • #773170

    Points:2
    Highlighting a few people who do not do any formal education and succeed in life and come to the conclusion that formal education is not needed that is absurd but the majority of people have done formal education and succeeded in their life. Success depends on many things like the luck factor involved in it. We can't put an open lamp in the air and pray to god not to make it dark. Formal Education enlightens you in every corner of life.
    Based on the situation, humans in the society should follow an abelian group (Closure, Associative, Identity, Inverse, and Commutative)-- Bhushan

  • #773171

    Points:5
    In my first post, I mentioned that 'formal education' should not be related to academics only. Any formal training: related to sports or any field is equivalent to approved academic education. Thus, highlighting the name of Sachin Tendulkar is unfair. What's the connection between Sachin being an established cricketer and his studying till Xth standard? He chose to become a cricketer, and did he become the same without any specific training? Do you think Sachin's coach Late Ramakant Achrekar had no role to play in shaping Sachin Tendulkar's cricketing career? If you agree that the coaching was necessary, then formal training in cricket is equivalent to the approved academic education.

    There are very few names of successful people without formal education/training compared to the unlimited persons who succeeded due to formal training, coaching, teaching and guidance. Would you go to a quack or a doctor for treatment? Invariably, people will prefer a certified doctor, but all of them are not equally big names. Even then, their formal medical education will put them above any physician without an MBBS degree. So, success usually comes through structured education and training in most cases, while there are a few exceptions.
    shampasaid

  • #773179

    Points:5
    # 773169
    Kindly go through my submissions, this is my submission to you, please.

    I have clearly defined what is success in my opinion. Setting a goal and reaching it without going against any rules of the land is success in my view. A satisfied person is a successful person in my view. I also never said that people with formal education and a job with a decent salary are unsuccessful. That will depend on the goal set by the individual. If a person set a goal of becoming a collector but becomes a grade I officer may be considered unsuccessful. But a person who wants to become a Grade I officer and achieved the same is a successful person. This is my understanding of success.

    In my opinion, education is required for success where education is a process of learning. Formal education is not essential for success. People who have the tendency of learning will also be successful even though they don't have any formal education. They will learn by listening, observing or seeing and they may be self-learners.

    I am not going to talk anything about statistics. These days what will be the ratio of formally educated and formally not educated? What will be the ratio of successful people with formal education and successful people without formal education? If somebody takes out the ratios, we may find the ratios to be the same in both cases.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773180

    Points:5
    Regarding Sachin's career, it is quite interesting to note that he was preoccupied with the activities of cricket due to support and encouragement of his elder brother Ajit while he was studying in class six . Naturally there was the diversion of his attention from his studies due to his engagement in the dual activities - cricket and his studies. That was the main reason for relinquishing his formal studies.
    I agree that he received a formal training from the coach Late Ramakant Achrekar but before that he was constantly inspired and encouraged by his own elder brother Ajit giving him right guidance and valuable tips in the field of cricket.
    If you go through the autobiography of Sachin Tendulkar, you will find that Sachin was constantly guided how battling techniques could be improved. There were numerous occasions when both the brothers differed to each other but ultimately Sachin could realise that the footprint shown by his brother was the appropriate one. Though both the brothers were engaged in fierce arguments sometimes but Sachin realised the practical approach of his brother. Before taking up the structured session of the said coach he received a great deal of informal training through his own brother which heightened his awareness in the field of cricket.

  • #773182

    Points:5
    # 773180

    That is what exactly I am mentioning. If a person is having ambition and wishes to learn, he will learn in any way. He may be sitting outside the court and seeing an expert playing and later on he may practice the same to know how you play a particular shot.

    During our childhood days, my father arranged for a music teacher to teach music to my sister. He used to come daily and teach my sister. In our house, one of my aunts was also staying. She was never sitting before the teacher but hearing his lessons and later on started practising. Finally, she became a better singer than my sister. Here the interest and the ambition for learning are important and that will drive the person.

    I agree with your point and true Sachin got very much benefitted from the advice and guidance of his brother also. It all depends on the individual and his grasping nature, I feel.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773183

    Points:8 (₹ 8)
    I quote from#773144".While formal education may primarily focus on meeting eligibility criteria for exams or job prospects,…" Is it to be that much trivialized? Successful completion of a systematized formal education (say SSLC, Degree, Professional Degree, a Medical Graduate degree or PG degree, etc.) sends out an indication and assurance that the concerned title holder has undergone necessary prescribed theoretical and practical training in a systematized and formal way so that now the person is authorized to practice his profession or vocation. It instills a sort of confidence in others who use the services of that person.

    A board showing the name and degree (MBBS, MD or BAMS or BHMS, etc. at the door of a medical doctor gives you confidence and trust in the doctor you are visiting. Will you go to someone who says he knows about medicines (say from YouTube) and tells you to take so and so medicine for your problem?

    For that matter what will be your feeling when you come to know that the pilot who flies your plane, and the driver who rides the bus you are in are not formally trained but learned it from YouTube or some DIY posts? Formal education is devised for uniformity, universality, and standardization. Formal education is not just for jobs and careers. That means you are not considering many thousands of highly educated women who are not pursuing any career but are happy homemakers. Their formal education helps them to better and increase the quality of their routine life and hobbies and entertainment.

    In #773146 the author has stated "There are many unfortunate fellows deprived of their formal education due to one reason or the other…" . have sympathy for the victims. Many people have to forgo many things due to situations and compulsions beyond their control. They have their regrets. But the ones who have the will and grit will try to compensate for the loss in some way and proceed in life. But they will not claim that formal education is not at all necessary. They will have the ruse of not having it but will motivate others not to get depressed if they fall victim o such a situation beyond their control.

    Reading the opening para in #773151 I am amused and confused. That does the author want to say "Without formal education becoming a leader and becoming a minister may not be considered a success. I agree. But there are ministers who are having formal education but earned a lot of money just like the other minister who is not having any formal education. As such what is the use of having formal education?"

    I am wondering why no participant mentioned G D Naidu, who was called Edison of India for his numerous innovations. He had only a primary-class education. I recall knowing about him even when I was in upper primary school. He was alive at that time. A few years ago I visited the G D Naidu car museum in Coimbatore. Let this reference here lead readers to refer to and read more about G D Naidu....But sure he would have regretted not having formal education or degrees in the field he contributed. I just cannot imagine what pinnacle height he would have touched had he the required degree and formal education in Engineering and technology!

    What I want to explain here is that while e can say that formal education is not needed for success in life, I want to say that can anyone tell how much more successful they could have been had they got a formal education in the field they became successful as per our opinion? Do we know certainly whether they would not have wished for that, but not publicly disclosed?

  • #773184

    Points:5
    In earlier days there used to be debates and discussions about whether love marriages are successful. That has become irrelevant now as love marriage has also its success and failure.

    In most of the debates and discussions, the arguing sides take the favorable data for them and ignore the unfavorable data and proof. This is also the case in the stock market. We only hear the success stories of a few. But we are never told about the huge numbers who miserably failed in the stock market and many who erased their lives in that.

    In our GD also the situation is like that. The names quoted as proof and support for proving that formal education is not at all needed for success in life simply ignore nor are aware of how many failed in their lives just because they did not have formal education. Even the Mathematical Genius Ramanuja who we now bring in support of this could not become successful in comparison to his potential because he did not have formal education in that.

    Even many hundred years before Macaulay brought his English education system to India, our great country has world-famous illustrious formal education centers like Nalanda and Takshasila University. Not just the two, but many others l; like Odantapuri, Jagaddala, Nagarjunakonda, Sharada Peeth, Valabhi, Manyakheta, Pushpagiri, etc. in the undivided and great Indian empire, Knowing that these centers of formal higher learning made the Bharateeyas successful and scholarly people and even successful traders, navigators, agriculturists and technologists and researchers, the foreign especially the Islamic invaders deliberately destroyed them totally to make the locals submissive and slaves.

    The fact there were so many centers of formal higher learning at that ancient time well proves the Emperors/Kings and people considered formal education and learning very important.

  • #773185

    Points:4
    # 773183,
    If you go through the full text it would be much better.
    The beginning text runs like this -
    There are many unfortunate fellows deprived of their formal education due to one reason or other but that did not deter them from pursuing their chosen career though they faced many odds in achieving their mission.
    That assertion represented the naked fact with which youngsters of deprived class are facing. Here there is no smell of sympathy but it is the true indication of their present status. Most of us cannot digest this simple but the true situation. However, many youngsters reverse this trend through their missionary efforts.

  • #773186

    Points:4
    # 773183,
    A member in one of the postings told that a minister who is not having formal education earned a lot of money. But it will not be considered a success. In that context, I commented like this. My point is when a person with formal education and a person with no formal education are performing their duties in a similar way, what is the use of formal education?
    If you go through the other post also I think you may get rid of your confusion.
    In this GD the question is whether for success in life formal education is needed or not. If we go through history we will get many examples of unsuccessful people even after having formal education. I have no clue to say that Ramanujam could not become successful in comparison to his potential.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773193

    Points:5
    Any system of education should show the results then only it will be considered a better system. The promotion of informal education means everyone will be responsible for their success without any collaboration. Once in a blue moon, we have a successful person coming out of an informal education system that is not at all great by any means. For cognitive and social development formal education is necessary because it is not only about education but the overall development of a child in various fields like sports and extracurricular activities.

    Schools and educational institutions serve as essential socialization platforms where individuals learn social skills, teamwork, and cultural values. Informal education may disrupt these social structures, making it more challenging for individuals to integrate into society and form cohesive communities.
    Humble yourself or life will do it for you!

  • #773194

    Points:5
    After a long time, we have a very good lively group discussion on this site. I thank Partha sir for suggesting a topic and I thank ISC for taking a clue from it and allowing a Group Discussion here. Many members participated and came out with their opinions in a very exciting way and I thank all of them for the same. I don't think this much discussion might not have taken place among the students during their selection process for placements.
    I conclude my discussion with the following points.
    1. Education is required for success in life. It need not be necessarily a formal education.
    2. Success is attaining the set goals and a satisfied person is a successful person, I feel.
    3. Formal education may enhance the chances of success but it is not an absolute necessity.
    4. We may find less number of successful people in this world with no formal education. But the number of people with no formal education is also less these days. Considering this, I feel the ratios are the same in both cases.
    Thanks to all the participants.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #773195

    Points:3
    There are allegations about Sachin's greatness in cricket and he was investigated in the match-fixing scandal. Some people say Sachin's close relationship with Dawood Ibrahim. He attended the marriage functions of Dawood Ibrahim's relatives as Photos was published in some news channel. Not to deviate from the topic if we related informal education with Sachin's allegation then he must have studied formal education.
    Based on the situation, humans in the society should follow an abelian group (Closure, Associative, Identity, Inverse, and Commutative)-- Bhushan

  • #773196

    Points:5
    I am thankful to Partha Sir for providing us an opportunity for a lively discussion and that, too, with an exciting topic. At the same time, we are obliged to ISC team for allowing us free discussion on this sensible topic. Dr. N.V. Srinivasa Rao has summarised the points which are relevant at all stages of our lives.
    We are concluding this topic with some brainstorming points and the readers might take a note of the following points-
    1) At no stage of life, we should be frustrated on account of none acquisition of formal education but must strive for making our lives better with the updating our skills even though it might be informal one.
    2) Education is a continuous process and so is the case with our learning appetite.
    3) informal education does play a vital role in our lives and in no way, it should be undervalued.

  • #773197

    Points:4
    #773151
    I quote a sentence from your write-up #773179: 'But getting a formal education qualification and getting a job with a decent salary is also not a success in my opinion.' I think I have rightly mentioned your point of view in #773169.

    I won't say that every individual with formal education does settle well in life, and without structured education, people will languish, but the ratio conveys that formally educated are better placed in life.

    I want to mention that Tendulkar's brother coached him during his early days, just like Lata Mangeshkar's father gave music lessons to her. Thus, it's also systematic training because one was a practising musician and another a cricketer. The only difference is they didn't join any paid training academy, but later they trained under professional teachers.
    shampasaid

  • #773199

    Points:5
    Time has come near the closing deadline and I would like to conclude my discussion in this GD by summarizing the points discussed by me and spreading over my posts above on this page;

    The question put for the GD is: Do you feel the need for formal education to be successful in life?
    The answer can be a partial NO. That is because it is NOT AN ESSENTIAL NEED for all to have undergone formal education for achieving success in life.

    Let me recapitulate and summarize he reasoning as follows:
    1. Our ancient wisdom itself says formal education is only one-fourth of the whole education.
    2. Ancient Bharat Bhoomi had eminent universities popular worldwide as centers of higher learning, which justified the importance of formal education our ancestors had given many hundred years ago itself.
    3. United Nations had initiated with all countries for compulsory elementary education.
    4. India has made primary education for children between the age of six to fourteen- a Fundamental Right and the related legislation Right To Education is enacted.
    5. To ensure no one is deprived of elementary formal education, the government had made it free, and a lot of supportive schemes like the noon meal scheme, and nutritious meals/milk scheme are implemented. universal elementary education
    6. Even higher education is also supported with scholarships, aids, and other methods for deserving students.
    7. In a period of a few years our country will not have anyone who did not have formal education a least up to the age of fourteen and even those who do not have a degree will also be minimal.
    8. The names(of successful people)quoted as proof that formal education is not needed for success in life, are just minuscule in comparison with the vast quantum of formally educated people. Thus they do not form a real sample or example to justify.
    9. Even those 'quoted people would have been more successful, had they been formally educated or trained. This possibility is overlooked or ignored by the protagonists of those examples.
    10. History has recorded that many people had failed in life due to lack of proper formal education and not having completed/passed tenth/SSC, Graduation, PG, further higher learning, etc.
    11. As far as success is not defined and there is no success evaluation method or formula for success, the parameter success itself is erratic and a debate on a relative parameter will not be rational

    Hence my conclusion is that
    As education is not a static item and formal education alone is not treated as complete education,
    We cannot say that formal education is compulsory and needed for success in life, but we cannot also say that formal education will not make anyone successful. Formal education is still needed for success in life except for, say, in areas where one is well-talented like artistic qualities. Technology and advanced science etc. still need formally educated people to perform successfully in those fields.

    I thank all the participants in this GD for making a nice active GD.
    Thanks.

  • #773200

    Points:5
    The GD has reached its endpoint, but I wish to add a few more points before adding my conclusion. Dilip Kumar once mildly criticised Lata Mangeshkar for her poor Urdu pronunciation. It made her take Urdu classes to rectify her diction. It naturally helped her in reaching the pinnacle of her music career. Thus, once again, it proves that formal teaching plays a vital role in shaping one's career.

    #773182

    The lady learnt to sing well by listening to a teacher's advice from a distance when he taught another student. It's true that she was not learning directly but overheard the teacher and practised accordingly. Then again, it was training and not that she picked up singing without following any guidelines.

    Well, To conclude my viewpoint on the given GD, I firmly believe that in maximum cases, formal education plays a vital role in shaping a learner's future. There are exceptions, but it is not a trend. Formal education is necessary to uplift one's knowledge to progress.

    I thank all the members for their charged-up participation in the GD.
    shampasaid


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