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    Points:5

    Sam Bahadur movie - I request members to watch it

    I rarely watch movies these days. However, being very interested in history and war history, I have recently watched the film 'Sam Bahadur', which was released at the fag end of 2023. I liked it very much. Several incidents of Field Marshal Maneckshaw's army life have been highlighted in this movie.

    As I have studied extensively about these events/characters involved in these events, I found the movie is to some extent incomplete but I think almost everyone will enjoy it. Directed by Meghna Gulzar, Vicky Kaushal's performance is memorable in this movie. Other characters have also done justice to their respective roles. There was no need for songs in this movie, but a few songs have been added as this is a commercial Hindi cinema.

    I request members of ISC to watch 'Sam Bahadur' to learn about the colourful character of India's first Field Marshal.
  • #776669

    Points:1
    Some of my friends told me that it is a good movie. I will be viewing it in near future.
    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #776676

      

    Points:4
    Partha,

    Tony Sir stated in this recent announcement not to raise threads related to entertainment. The admin. would still prefer some relevance/association with academics (such as when we had discussions on documentary films) in this category. Since you have mentioned the film in context with the history of war, we are allowing it. Perhaps, in keeping with the admin's directive, you could come up with specifics briefly and concisely related to the war history depicted in the film that you thought were brought out well/aspects that were not covered properly (incomplete as you stated). This may incite a good discussion, and not merely get views about who liked the film and who did not.

    I also suggest that for SEO purposes, it would be better to put a better title and mention the name of the movie.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #776680

    Points:1
    1. I express my gratitude to ME Madam because she has kindly allowed this Forum post.

    2. ME Madam has suggested: "......you could come up with specifics briefly and concisely related to the war history depicted in the film that you thought were brought out well/aspects that were not covered properly". ----------If I follow this suggestion, there may be some controversy. As for example, there was a Court of Inquiry against Maneckshaw (who was Major-General at that time) by the then Defence Minister Krishna Menon and the then Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. BM Kaul, two most incompetent persons working under the protective umbrella of the then Prime Minister of India. The Court of Inquiry was very briefly mentioned in the film. If I give details of this very important issue in the army life of Maneckshaw, the Webmaster, the ME Madam and the Lead Editor of Forum Section will give me negative points and take other punitive measures for political discussion. I am also not discussing the issue of non-finalization of pension of Field Marshal Maneckshaw for twenty years due to this particular reason. So, I am not accepting the suggestion of ME Madam.

    3. ME Madam has also asked me to change the title. I am little bit hesitant in this regard. Because if I indicate the name of Maneckshaw in the title, I feel some very peace-loving members may avoid even reading this thread about the celebrated Field Marshal who has been a very popular military leader.
    (a) Those who have forgotten Noakhali, how can they protest Sandeshkhali?
    (b) Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. ---------- Salvador Dali

  • #776682

    Points:2
    I heard about this movie. My son watched this movie. He told me that it was a good movie and advised me to watch the same. Now the recommendations from Partha Sir are also there. So in the next two days, I may watch this movie.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #776683

      

    Points:4
    Partha,
    It is up to you whether or not and what aspects you wish to discuss. We give suggestions, and members are not obliged to take them up! I will though, change the title as an editor.

    I have seen this movie and was thoroughly irritated by what you call a memorable performance by Vicky Kaushal. I understand that he is following the mannerisms of Field Marshal Sam Hormusji Framji Jamshedji Manekshaw (taking his full name as mentioned in the movie a couple of times), but to do so in a manner that comes across as farcical and exaggerated was just too much. Overall also I did not find the movie anything great and consider it hyped up.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #776687

    Points:1
    Replying to #776683: Copying the mannerism of the Field Marshal becomes necessary for the spectators who do not know anything about the charismatic military leader. Afterall this is a commercial movie.
    (a) Those who have forgotten Noakhali, how can they protest Sandeshkhali?
    (b) Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. ---------- Salvador Dali

  • #776695

    Points:-10
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  • #776703

    Points:3
    Historical movies are generally interesting and provoke the minds of people if the story is depicted clearly and in a precise way. Unfortunately, due to the element of commercialisation this does not happen and facts appear twisted or manipulated.
    This discussion is definitely invoking me to watch the movie and find out how much near it is to the historical facts. I would be watching it soon. Before that I will go through some reviews in some reputed sites.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #776705

      

    Points:2
    Partha, @ 776680, do you have access to the Court of Inquiry? I doubt. I would like to go through it if what you or other people interested in history (original) do not mind.
    'Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all'.
    -Aristotle

  • #776706

    Points:1
    Yesterday night I left Delhi for three days. Will appropriately reply after returning. But we must note that the Inquiry was at the behest of Menon and Kaulbut Maneckshaw was fully exonerated by the Court headed by Lt. Gen. Daulet Singh. All these are recorded history.
    (a) Those who have forgotten Noakhali, how can they protest Sandeshkhali?
    (b) Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. ---------- Salvador Dali

  • #776709

      

    Points:4
    Partha,
    Copying mannerisms is all very well but the actor should convey it in a way that it does not become a caricature. He was really good in his debut film Masaan and later in Raazi. In Uri, too, he was fairly good, though it was Mohit Raina who stood out better.

    I have seen movies directed by Meghna Gulzar like Talvar, Chhapaak, and Raazi, and loved all of them. Hence, it was with great anticipation that I wanted to see Sam Bahadur when I first heard of the film in the works with her at the helm. However, I was disappointed. It seemed to meander here and there and the actors in the various roles were just not the right fit, not even Vicky Kaushal, and, after seeing him in Raazi, I had anticipated a good performance but, stating again, a really huge disappointment.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #776754

    Points:1
    I have now returned to Delhi.

    Let me first try to answer the question raised by Saji Ganesh Sir.

    Saji Ganesh Sir asked me: ",,,,,do you have access to the Court of Inquiry? I doubt. "------- I would like to state clearly that no unauthorized person has access to any Court of Inquiry.

    However, in respect of the Court of Inquiry constituted against Major-General Maneckshaw, I can share some links:

    (a) https://static.mygov.in/indiancc/2021/07/mygov-9999999991012011169.pdf: It inter-alia states: "A stint at the Defence Services Staff College followed where he served as the commandant. It was here that his outspoken frankness got him into trouble with the then Defence Minister, V. K. Krishna Menon. A court of inquiry was ordered against him. The court, presided over by the then-Western Army Commander, Lieutenant General Daulet Singh, exonerated Manekshaw"

    (b) https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-history/5-things-sam-bahadur-first-field-marshal-9048437/ : It inter-alia states: "A Court of Inquiry was launched against Sam Manekshaw in 1962 to investigate several trumped-up charges against him. At the time Sam was serving as Commandant of Defence Services Staff College in Wellington in the rank of Major General. Many believed at the time that these charges were instigated at the instance of the then Defence Minister VK Krishna Menon, and certain Generals who were close to the political establishment of the time. The then GOC-in-C Western Command Lt Gen Daulet Singh presided over the inquiry. Many serving Army officers deposed in that inquiry and most spoke in Sam's favour while some testified against him. Lt Gen Daulet Singh cleared Sam of all charges."

    (c) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Manekshaw : It inter-alia states: "In 1957, he was sent to the Imperial Defence College, London, to attend a higher command course for one year. On his return, he was appointed the general officer commanding (GOC) 26th Infantry Division on 20 December 1957, with the acting rank of major general. When he commanded the division, Gen. K. S. Thimayya was the chief of the army staff (COAS), and Krishna Menon the defence minister. During a visit to Manekshaw's division, Menon asked him what he thought of Thimayya. Manekshaw replied that it was improper to evaluate his superior, and told Menon not to ask anybody again. This annoyed Menon, and he told Manekshaw that if he wanted to, he could sack Thimayya, to which Manekshaw replied, "You can get rid of him. But then I will get another."
    Manekshaw was promoted to substantive major general on 1 March 1959. On 1 October, he was appointed the Commandant of the Defence Services Staff College, Wellington, where he was caught up in a controversy that almost ended his career. In May 1961, Thimayya resigned as the COAS, and was succeeded by General Pran Nath Thapar. Earlier in the year, Major General Brij Mohan Kaul had been promoted to lieutenant general and appointed the Quarter Master General by Menon. The appointment was made against the recommendation of Thimayya, who resigned as a result. Kaul was made the chief of general staff (CGS), the second highest appointment at Army Headquarters after the COAS. Kaul cultivated a close relationship with Nehru and Menon and became even more powerful than the COAS. This was met with disapproval by senior army officials, including Manekshaw, who argued against the interference of the political leadership in the administration of the army. This led him to be marked as an anti-national.
    Kaul sent informers to spy on Manekshaw who, as a result of the information gathered, was charged with sedition, and subjected to a court of inquiry. The charges against him were that he was more loyal to the Queen and the Crown than to India, because he had not removed portraits of the Queen and British military and civilian officers from the College and his office. The court, presided over by the general officer commanding-in-chief (GOC-in-C) of Western Command, Lt. Gen. Daulet Singh, exonerated Manekshaw as no evidence against him was found."

    Saji Ganesh Sir: There are many documentary evidences available which have discussed the conspiracy of Krishna Memon and BM Kaul against General Thimayya and Major-General Maneckshaw.

    Thank you!!!
    (a) Those who have forgotten Noakhali, how can they protest Sandeshkhali?
    (b) Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. ---------- Salvador Dali

  • #776764

    Points:1
    Now let me try to address the issues raised by Vandana Madam.

    At the outset, I must admit that the film-watchers who watch films keeping all their senses awake, may not fully like the film 'Sam Bahadur'.

    But I recommend this film for the majority of film-watchers of India who are non-martial in their attitude, always enjoy imaginary 'dhisoom-dhisoom' type of films, go ga-ga over the heroes who perform unrealistic, ridiculous stunts. The film 'Sam Bahadur' would help people to respect India's military heroes and even if a miniscule percentage of the people who would watch the film, give proper respect to Indian Armed Forces, the film would serve its purpose. If some young men and women get inspired by this film to join the Armed Forces, that would be icing on the cake.
    (a) Those who have forgotten Noakhali, how can they protest Sandeshkhali?
    (b) Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it. ---------- Salvador Dali


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