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    Should the number of B.Tech. colleges or number of seats be curtailed- active GD

    Here's some exciting news! This topic has been taken up for an active GD, a reward program that we had last in June '23. I'm sure you will be eager to participate in this one, as it has great potential for discussion. As you know, an active GD is one where you bring out your views for or against, or feel free to even discuss both sides of the coin. Do not just give a list of points; substantiate them with clarity with quality text.

    The Topic (as mentioned at the end of this post) is: Should the number of B.Tech/Engineering seats or B.Tech. colleges be reduced and use them for other need-based courses and training?

    The reward: Rs.150/- for the two best participants. Suitable points and cc will also be awarded to other good viewpoints.

    Closing date for participation: 9th March 2024.

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    The wheel has turned back to its near-original position. There was a glut in employment of Engineering graduates during my student days. That was why I did not go for Engineering after plus two then. Even the general situation then was of large-scale unemployment. But the general scene has changed and now unemployment per se is not such an issue. The present issue is underemployment. Youth get or take up jobs in sectors that are not related to the field of their graduation or post-graduation. Mostly it is a sort of under-employment. That is a large waste and misuse of our resources.

    If we look into obvious data, then we can see that the number of B Tech colleges and the number of students passing B Tech every year is so large that most of them end up in jobs in the IT sector or some general jobs. All IT jobs and general jobs do not need B Tech courses, thereby wasting large resources that could have been used for other important matters. This is the result of sanctioning B.Tech. courses and B.Tech. colleges in the private, self-financing sector. Now we see there are thousands of Engineering seats remaining vacant and students are admitted even if they do not have a minimum threshold mark or grades.

    The situation now is that not many manufacturing units or units in the industrial sector are coming up. The actual need for Engineers in all sectors included is less and there is an overproduction of Engineers which results in their underemployment. Even the quality and employability of a large percentage of Engineering graduates is not suitable for the industry.

    Why not think of decreasing the B.Tech/Engineering seats or B.Tech. colleges and use them for other need-based courses and training?
  • #777295

    Points:5
    The author has highlighted the present situation where the number of students from the engineering institutions are large enough to be accommodateed in the different job sectors since there is no more demand of the aspirants of such qualifications. We are witnessing a stage of oversaturation in terms jobs.
    What is needed at the present juncture is to review the position of the jobs of the different sectors by the expert committee and the formulations devised by him is to accepted by all the institutions. We are producing enough experts in the field of the computers but the employers cannot absorb all due to the limited demands. So is the case with the other streams. Hence the present situation calls for a serious review of the present trend so that the passed outs get employments due to the modification of the planning.

  • #777298

    Points:5
    That is true. More engineering graduates are being produced every year than required and they are not getting a job suitable to their qualifications. Some MSMEs never show interest in appointing an engineering graduate in their company. They feel that it is over-qualification. They prefer diploma holders who will sit before the machine and work with their hands. An engineering graduate always thinks of high-profile jobs.
    Even some IT industries started recruiting B.Scs by paying less salary. Earlier only BE /B Tech graduates were being considered for even data entry posts in the IT sector. But there is a change now. So the number of jobs that are available for Engineering graduates is reducing. But the number of Engineering and technology colleges has increased and the number of seats available and many seats are left vacant as there are no students to join. So as the demand is coming down, the government should not encourage new colleges for BE/B Tech.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777300

      

    Points:2
    This may be a really good topic for an active GD as there are lots of points that can be discussed for and against it. Hence, we will temporarily close this thread and if we get approval from the Webmasters, we will convert it to a reward program.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #777327

      

    Points:3
    Friends,

    This thread is now open as an active GD reward program. Please read the announcement at the top and the points raised by Venkiteswaran, then come up with your views.

    Venkiteswaran- thank you for bringing up this topic. As is the norm when a forum topic by a member gets taken up for an official reward program, we have rewarded you with 30 points and 30 cc. Of course, you are welcome to be a participant as well and are eligible for the prizes.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #777331

    Points:5
    My opinion is that there is no necessity to close the colleges or reduce the seats in B Tech. If there are no candidates to join the management itself will close down the college. But it is good to open new sections in these colleges to offer special courses which are very useful to the students to obtain jobs. What to study and what to do is the choice of the individual. Even today there are many students to pay additional money to get a seat in a reputed engineering college.
    AICTE, the agency that permits engineering colleges has decided to permit college for 3 years at once. Earlier they were to apply every year. They removed the cap on the maximum number of seats. The management can apply for permission to AICTE for as many number of seats as they want. Earlier the cap is 240 seats in any one branch. The AICTE will inspect and ensure that proper infrastructure and faculty availability and then permit increasing the seats.
    Colleges which do not have proper infrastructure and faculty are getting closed automatically as no students are opting for such colleges. In and around Hyderabad around 23 colleges were closed down due to lack of students. There are some colleges which are increasing their seats as there is a demand.
    Seeing the above information I feel it is important to maintain quality education and see that students will get trained properly. Once they are qualified if they have the competence they can go anywhere in the world to get a job.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777332

    Points:5
    It is not mandatory to have an engineering degree for many jobs. That is true. But Engineers are preferred by many MNCs and other big companies for recruitment. There are many manufacturing industries are there where the requirement of engineers is good. However many Engineers are not showing interest in field work and shopfloor jobs and they prefer IT jobs where physical strain is less.
    I remember we had a discussion earlier on this platform where we all felt that education is not alone for getting a job and earning. What an individual has to study should be decided by the individual based on his interest or as per the advice of their parents and elders.
    All these private colleges and self-financing seats came into existence as there was a demand for those subjects. If the colleges are reduced or seats are reduced, the demand for seats will increase and the management will charge more and more money in the form of building funds or some other fund. So it is better to have more colleges with improved facilities.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777335

    Points:7 (₹ 7)
    There are a large number of engineering colleges in our country and a good number of students are coming out from them with an engineering degree. Only the meritorious ones can get a job in big or multinational companies and all others are joining whatever job they can get in today's competitive world. Engineering is supposed to be a technical degree but these people are engaged in various types of ancillary jobs. It is definitely a case of underemployment.

    Now the interesting thing is that we have good capacity for many certificate, trade, and diploma courses and there are so many agencies providing various types of online courses today that we can also not say that a particular course is not available and some of the engineers courses can be replaced by them.

    It is a paradoxical situation today that we have enough capacity but appropriate employment opportunity is not there.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #777339

      

    Points:3
    My answer is 'yes'. Why create so many engineers when their career opportunities are so less? We have BTech holders joining call centers. Why? Going for an engineering degree or just an MBBS without a postgraduation does not help. I don't think the craze (I mean craze) behind these degrees are fruitful. So much money is involved unless one gets a merit seat. There are so many other options available.
    'Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all'.
    -Aristotle

  • #777340

    Points:4
    My view in this matter is that we should not run a course which is not meeting its very purpose. There was a time in our country after independence when there was a need of engineers in many industries and PSUs. So that time engineering courses were very much required. Later when capacity of engineering colleges increased the demand and supply balance was shattered and engineers became unemployed. Thanks to the digital era and technological developments that engineers got absorbed in so many unrelated but jobs where engineers were preferred.
    Today the capacity is so large that this much number of engineering graduates cannot be absorbed by the industry and hence it make sense to close down some of them and creating some new courses which are useful in the present era.
    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #777341

    Points:5
    I am of the opinion that the candidates should not run after the engineering courses unnecessarily even though they have not the inclination for the same but are pressurised by the guardians to go in for the same. I would not say that that they are not realistic about the situation. They have their plan of their own such as opting for Physics in IIT so that they contribute significantly in the Nuclear Physics. This branch deals with Nuclear Fusion slowing the atoms to dissociate infinite periods helping us for smooth power generation.
    It is not that they have not exhibited their potential in the area of Physics and even their school teachers were in agreement with the dream plans of the aspirants but their guardians are blocking them to go ahead for it.
    This is very much unfortunate phase for the aspirants of the Indian Families not allowing their kids to go ahead with their plans.
    Putting excess pressure on the aspirants has resulted in total disappointment ultimately at the later stage due to the unemployment situation for which they should not be held accountable.

  • #777342

    Points:5
    Qualification obtained may be useful in many ways. Not just alone in obtaining a job. In the olden days, people asked why a girl's graduation was required. Anyhow she has to manage the kitchen after marriage. But now many ladies are doing Engineering and after engineering, they may be going or not going for a job. Can we ask them not to do a degree as that is useless? So is it correct to link education and profession?
    If a student has an interest in studies and if their parents can afford the money, there is nothing wrong with doing the course. Instead of closing down the colleges or reducing the seats, the curriculum can be reoriented in such a way that the students will have a better chance of obtaining a job.
    How to improve the chances of earning is a positive approach and stopping students from studying may be a negative approach.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777344

    Points:5
    Many members are having the view that engineering courses should be cut down and some new courses should be created or capacity enhancement to be done for some of the existing courses. But the crucial point here is that is there sufficient scope for those new courses or already existing courses where we are thinking of capacity enhancement? So, cutting down the big size of engineering capacity is alright but what are those other courses where we are going to increase the capacity to give the employment as well as satisfy the career aspiration of the young people today.
    If we analyse the issue then we will find out that there is already a good number of seats for various types of courses even those for which a job situation is easily available in the industry.
    Hence cutting down of engineering seats and creating more seats in some lucrative courses are two issues not much related to each other.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #777345

    Points:5
    There should not be any option of further expansion of such private engineering colleges running in all cities in India for raking up maximum profits through the management quota. The management of such colleges is aware of the future of engineering courses providing not a secured future because of no offtakes of students from the employers of the different industries.
    It is not the fault of the gullible students who are taking admissions to these colleges recklessly without having a second thought. Some of engineering colleges located in Karnataka such as Bhalki, Bengaluru, Mysore, Davangere and many more employed a bad culture of sending touts in the prime cities of Jharkhand to attract the eligible students for their admissions in the colleges which the touts were facilitating due to the receipt of the heavy commission of the founder of the colleges. However, such a pressure tactics has dropped significantly but still they are lured by the false advertisements speaking from the different sources.
    This is the high time that real picture of the prospects of the engineering colleges should be highlighted by the governmental mechanisms to make them aware of the real position of the roles of such colleges.
    At the same time, they should display the prospects of other courses apart from engineering which can provide them rewarding careers such as taking up diploma in AI and Machine Learning, Applied Mathematics, Statistics etc which could provide them more attractive careers than the existing private engineering colleges.

  • #777346

    Points:4 (₹ 2)
    Already people are losing interest in engineering degrees, which is the reason so many private engineering colleges are getting shutdown because of no admission. There is no point of reducing seats in an engineering college because a bad college will never attract students and a good college will attract many good students. Instead of reducing seats the government should leave it to the students to decide whether the college should remain or not.

    The authority like AICTE should make sure that the quality of engineering degrees is at par with international standards so that students don't remain unemployed. India is a vast country with largest youth population and there are enormous opportunities for engineering graduates if government takes right step towards developing this country.
    Humble yourself or life will do it for you!

  • #777347

    Points:5
    What is needed at this juncture is to review the needs of the employers of the different industries and the existing engineering colleges should gear up to introduce such courses which have practical relevance in the current situation.
    In that way, realignment of the courses can save both the private and government engineering colleges from getting the closed permanently due to no off - takers of non- popular courses such as Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering, Production Engineering, Chemical Engineering etc and in lieu of that the courses like MBA in Artificial Intelligence and ML, Short term courses in Python, Java, R, C++ should be included for the benefit of the students with the approval of AICTE. The aspirants are sure to benefit from such modifications. The founders of the institutions need not have the fear of closing down their academies due to their innovative steps.

  • #777350

    Points:4
    During the discussion we have observed that many engineering colleges are operating with less number of students as against their available capacities and slowly they will be closing down if they don't get sufficient students to run the courses.
    At the most what I can suggest is that these colleges can change their courses from engineering to diploma, trade, certificate, computer, or other technical courses which many mediocre students like to pursue for self employment or getting a small job.
    For doing so they will have to restructure or reorganise themselves as there will be a good number of qualified people already on the payroll and dividing the new schedule among them would be a challenging task. This will be basically an exercise in diversification.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #777351

    Points:5
    There are many engineering colleges that are closing down as the number of students is reducing for studying engineering courses. At the same time these colleges are also not able to replace the engineering courses with other courses which could attract students.
    It clearly means that there are many other institutions already available for the said 'other courses'.
    In the education sector today, we are going through a high supply and low demand scenario in spite of India being a highly populated country.
    It simply means that the national employment policy and national education policy are not matching with each other and some more changes are to be brought in the governance of these critical sectors.
    One of the most important thing for any country is to generate more employment and that only can help to fully absorb the qualified people who are coming out of the educational institutes every year in such a big number.
    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #777352

    Points:5
    To run an engineering college successfully private or otherwise, it needs co- operation from the other employment - generating sources. The employers need to apprise of the institutions regarding their requirements of the technical experts of the different areas and other supporting hands. There should not be any superiority complex of the different partiri. A smmoth co- operation in the mutual discussion can evolve valuable solutions for both the engineering colleges and the employers.
    I am not in favour of closing down the existing engineering colleges but the syllabus of the courses must be tailored to meet the requirements of the present industries. This would create an atmosphere of survival of both the engineering colleges and the employers of the different sectors.
    Closing down the engineering colleges in many areas such as Tamilnadu, Karnataka, Telangana, ortisa and many more states is the reflection of the adamant attitude of the different parties and this adamancy needs to curbed. The earlier we do the better.

  • #777356

    Points:4
    Concerned over the vacant seats in the engineering colleges, the governing body - AICTE in the year 2018 constituted a commission headed by Sri BVR Mohan Reddy, the then chairman of IIT Hyderabad to recommend a short - term and medium - term corrective plan to remedy the vacant- position observed in the different engineering academies.
    In the year, 2020, it was observed that the total vacant seats numbering 12, 53, 333, the odd number of 4, 21, 203 seats remained vacant. This was itself a disappointing figure.
    Hence the committee took a final step not to add any more seats till 2020.
    In the year 2022, a further restriction was levied up to two years to see the ultimate consequence of such a step.

  • #777357

    Points:5
    Education is a fundamental right of Citizens. So the government should see that youth in the country will get educated so that their value will increase. There are no jobs for Engineers. There are no jobs for Science PG/UG students. There are no jobs for Ug/PG students in arts and commerce also. In such conditions if we close down or reduce the seats in all these colleges where all these students will study. This closing down will add to the unemployment problem. Population is increasing and educational facilities should also increase in proportion to the increasing population.
    The best thing is to see what are the needs of the industry by involving industry professionals in academic curriculum design. Changing academic content keeping the industry requirement is the need of the hour. By designing the subjects in such a way that students can get the skills required by the industry.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777358

    Points:5
    The situation is not stationary. It will change from time to time. When I completed my intermediate, there was no demand for engineering courses. But later on, we have seen huge demand for engineering degrees. After 3 or 4 years what will be the situation we don't know? Now all engineers can go for all administrative jobs also. They even go as teachers. A student who completes his BE can become an entrepreneur and become an employer and give jobs to other people.
    Many students are going abroad for their higher studies and settling there. If our country can provide quality education there will not be any necessity for students to go abroad for quality education. So the focus should be on improving the quality but not reducing the quantity.
    We are all aware that engineering students trying to get some certificates and diplomas while doing the degree. If the content that they are learning in certificate courses and diploma courses can be added in the engineering stream itself
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777362

    Points:1
    As a number of response posts have come till now, I would rather consolidate and summarize each participant's core views and put forth my responses or counters to them.

    First let me take the participants on the side(pro) of the thread proposal.

    Sheo Shankar Jha opines that the present situation "calls for a serious review of the present trend" and proposes an expert study of the jobs available. He substantiates this by referring to an earlier study and date from it. (post# 777356) Jha also sees the parent's pressure on their children for choosing B Tech against their wishes. He adds a point about touts canvassing students for B Tech colleges in the interest of their commission and agrees that even by that also admissions have dropped. As such there is nothing for me to contradict.

    Saji Ganesh sees it as a craze to go for Engineering and even MBBS as he s of the view that without post-graduation in these fields there is no career scope, and hence a waste of money. So he is almost on the pro side of the thread and has his own explanations for that. We may wait to see more points coming from him.

    Neeru Bhatt also concurs with the thread idea of curtailing B Tech seats and colleges.

    In my next post I shall take up the opposing views of participants.

  • #777363

    Points:5
    What is required at this moment is to change the pattern of studies being covered in the Engineering Colleges irrespective of the same being a private or a government ones.. These colleges should identify the needs of the present juncture and readily acknowledge the challenges ahead regarding technical education.
    Our focus should be to update our technical education as the need of the current situation. Our educationists and academicians should come forward to formulate the course - structure of the different relevant trades to be introduced in the engineering colleges for the benefit of the students. These courses must have the acceptance of the different bodies including AICTE and the Directorate of the Technical Education so that the students are assured of the quality education to be employed in the current phase.
    Such a system would certainly have beneficial consequences for the student community with the current updates of the syllabus. The name of the engineering colleges need to be changed something like a Technical Schools or other name decided by the academicians.

  • #777364

    Points:1
    Now let me take up the opposing view points presented by the participants n this GD:

    DR.N.V. Srinivasa Rao: says "there is no necessity to close the colleges or reduce the seats in B Tech." He feels that" management itself will close down the college. " when there no more students seeking admission. At the same time, agrees and adds that MSME prefer diploma holders over engineers and IT sector now absorbs science and other graduates than BE or B Tech graduates. ( Is it not a self contradiction by him?). Afraid of a situation when Managements will charge high when demand is more, he suggests "to have more colleges with improved facilities." Without any reduction of existing seats and colleges.
    My view on this: I see this as throwing good money over bad money, like government pumping precious funds to keep some lossmaking entities a float. Definitely profit aimed private managements will not do so, but further try to compromise on quality and merit to induct more students to prevent loss.
    He also argues that education and profession should not be linked and citing freedom and extending examples of home maker women having B.Tech qualification. Why not if parents can afford money. He also suggests reorienting curriculum instead of closing. I think this is just a point just to argue and does not have merit in it.

    However I am astonished when he deviates from his till now logical and analytical arguments and even forgets present context and goes on that even other courses also have low employment and if so curtailing the seats will only cause more unemployment. Totally untenable in this context is his argument that education is a fundamental right. He also asks what will happen if the present situation changes after some years. Changes have been there all through this years and adaptation and amends were the way we faced them till now. In the present context the adaptation r amendment is what is proposed- to shut colleges and/or reduce seats.

    Ajay Gupta also has similar views of Rao when he says "Instead of reducing seats the government should leave it to the students to decide whether the college should remain or not." That is allowing a natural death instead of surgical cure. He also seeks ensuring quality of international standards. Sometimes the maladies are such immediate and drastic remedies are needed to prevent the whole system being affected and negativity occurs. Earlier and timely remedies will prevent further deterioration and damages.

    Umesh though starts pro about the subject by agreeing to the core point of the thread," Engineering is supposed to be a a technical degree but these people are engaged in various types of ancillary jobs. It is definitely a case of underemployment.". He gradually becomes against the idea the thread proposes when he states" cutting down of engineering seats and creating more seats in some lucrative courses are two issues not much related to each other." But he again springs back and stays on the side of the GD proposal by agreeing" that these colleges can change their courses from engineering to diploma, trade, certificate, computer, or other technical courses which many mediocre students like to pursue for self employment or getting a small job." That is exactly what is hinted in the thread.

  • #777365

    Points:5
    I don't understand why education can't be considered a fundamental right.
    "Right to freedom of speech and expression, assembly, association or union, movement, residence, and right to practice any PROFESSION or OCCUPATION (some of these rights are subject to security of the State, friendly relations with foreign countries, public order, decency or morality)."
    With proper qualifications, only one can practice the desired profession or occupation. So one can get the required occupation only when he has the required qualification.
    Coming is government funds, these days many governments are wasting money on so many unwanted issues. Instead of that if they spend on education it will be good.
    I am not in agreement with the statement made by Venkiteswaran, " I think this is just a point just to argue and does not have merit in it." Why many standard colleges are bringing in changes in the curriculum?
    Unemployment or underemployment is there for all graduates and undergraduates. It is not only with engineering graduates. That is why I mentioned other subjects also. As far as I am concerned the mentioned issue is a fact only.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777366

    Points:4
    MSMEs prefer diploma holders over graduates. That is a fact only. But there are many MNCs, government organisations and many more Indian companies are there where they appoint graduates and post graduates also. So always chances will be there for both Engineering graduates and diploma holders.
    Initially, when Tamilnadu and Karnataka started permitting many engineering colleges, many students of the United AP were going there and paying huge money as donations. Only after TDP came to power in AP, private engineering colleges started in AP. If there are no seats in India, people will start going to other countries.
    That is why I feel there is no necessity to curtail seats and close down colleges. Many start ups are coming mainly due to the engineers from good institutes like BITS etc.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777369

    Points:4
    There is always a rise in India's population every year. In this scenario, all the basic requirements will see an increase. Among all the needs, education is one of utmost importance. It's natural for a section of education seekers to move a grade above. So, every year, there will be a whole lot of youths who would cram to join the technology sector. Thus, B. Tech colleges are a must for the youths who want to pursue their career in that field. If the number of colleges does not increase, many willing students will be left out because the number of opportunities must increase with the increase in India's population.
    shampasaid

  • #777370

    Points:5
    Cutting down the seats of the engineering colleges or closing down some of the colleges is, in my opinion, a practice to ruin the future of the upcoming generation. No education goes in vain, but the national and state-level governments have a role to play. The governments must try to create opportunities in job sectors so that the upcoming engineering graduates get jobs and live a respectable life.

    Let's take the example of 'Tata Singur Nano Controversy'. It would have been a good opportunity for job seekers, especially for engineering and tech graduates. The authorities must consider such projects as an opportunity for the future of the youths. Political mileage must not be of primary interest. An increase in college seats cannot be a negative call if the authorities sincerely take care of job opportunities. Thus, the people in power must make some call to open the gates for the youths. Education never goes in vain if the governments and the business tycoons think progressively.
    shampasaid

  • #777374

    Points:5
    It is the tendency of the students to go for the courses where job opportunities are better. It was happening in the past like that and it is happening the same way today also.
    Wherever in education sector the capacity is more but the job opportunities decrease, the course seats start going vacant. It is a phenomena happening worldwide.
    The question is that are our institutions geared up to change their courses quickly and dynamically to sustain their institutions in this scenario? I don't see it happening. So slowly they don't have any alternative except to close down.
    The other institutions which are already providing courses to the students in other areas which are better for getting a job will flourish in such a condition.
    Cutting down seats will only be a temporary measure and will affect the revenue of the educational institutions significantly and they will not be able to run the show.
    Providing job oriented courses to the students is the only way to survive in the education sector today and institutions which are able to do it will see increase in the student enrollment in their institutions.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #777375

    Points:5
    So far we have discussed a lot of things about how Engineering Colleges in our country can benefit substantially apart from points suggested in my earlier postings. A few points are also listed for the mutual benefits of the employers of the industries and the same is listed below -
    1) The syllabus of all the streams say Metallurgy, Chemical, Electronics, Civil, Computer Engineering etc should be upgraded periodically so that the industries where the candidates get their assignments are immensely benefited.
    2) There should be the invitation of the leading industrialists in the college - premises to know how best curriculum of the different streams can be made more effective to raise the productivity of the industries.
    3) The employers of different organisations should be made board - members along with the educationists for the periodical review of courses.
    4) A visit to industrial site is be stretched from the present duration being fortnightly to a month for the better understanding of work culture and the functioning of the industries.

  • #777376

    Points:4
    I reiterate my earlier view that there is no point in continuing with the course capacity which is not able to provide a job to the students. Let it be any course including engineering stream.
    The purpose of education is to acquire knowledge as well as make a career and get a position in the industry or any organisation for a livelihood and
    in lieu providing services to that organisation. Specialised courses like engineering which cannot provide a good number of students a related job are a waste of time because for getting an ordinary job the student need not to spend so high a fee and get the objective done by acquiring a convenient UG/PG qualification.
    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #777377

    Points:5
    I always say that instead of cutting the seats or closing the colleges, one should think about how to make the system useful is more important. That is why one should think about the needs of the industry. Involve concerned experts and design the courses in such a way that students will get the required expertise and get enhanced chances. If we feel there is no value in this argument, I have no answer for that.
    Instead of allowing our resources to migrate, we all should try to retain them by making the environment cohesive for the people. I also agree with the argument that as there is an increase in the population, all needs and facilities should also be increased and improved in proportion.
    I have already mentioned that governments should try and create new job opportunities so that people will benefit.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777379

    Points:5
    The entire industry be it a manufacturing unit or a construction company or an IT sector, would make a sincere attempt to maximise their revenue at the cost of reducing its manpower. It is definitely a healthy trend on the part of the organisation.
    Let us think of other ways of absorption of the B. Tech of the engineering colleges in the supervisory cadres in the initial phase displaying the advertisements for the cadres. During the phase of crisis, it would not appear to be a bad idea for the unemployed youths having a B.Tech
    Qualification. They would be promoted to the post of the executive levels in the next promotion. This scheme was available in the past during the period of 1972 to 1980 in SAIL.
    The management was benefited with such an arrangement. The management observed that they ultimately became experts in the different units of steel making. There was the scope of the redeploment of such candidates in the different units in the hours of crisis.
    Such a farsightedness helped the organisation to save a lot of revenue and even the candidates having the B.Tech degree were benefited.

  • #777386

    Points:5
    I think this is not a time of ego for both the organisation and the B.Tech candidates not accepting the post below executive levels if offered from the side of the management. The different organisations need to take a linient strategy in matters of recruitments. Keeping in view of heavy underemployment of the engineering graduates, the organisations should entertain the applications of the B.Tech Candidates for the lower cadres to fill up their non - executive posts.
    A separate interview process will reveal overall personalities of the candidates such as his readiness to meet the challenges set by the management, curiosity to learn new tools, getting along with the workforce and other positive qualities. Recruiting such candidates in their organisations would definitely have mutual favourable effects.
    A little compromise from both the management and the aspirants would work wonders towards the ease of the recruitment - procedure.
    Let us see how far such a stand would be acceptable to the different organisations.

  • #777390

    Points:10 (₹ 10)
    Curtailing the seats or closing down some of the B.Tech colleges is, in my opinion, an injustice to the upcoming generation of students. The moment the higher authorities make such a decision, there will be stagnation in many fields. Let's consider the medical field. Can we imagine prosperity in the medical arena if there is no scientific development in the medical apparatus and diagnostic sections? Do we want not to bring new ways of treatment which can save time and reduce pain? Maybe such treatments would cost more, but isn't life more precious than the expense of medical treatment? Most citizens may not be able to benefit from them because of the high price, but at least a section will benefit from them. They will get a new lease of life. With each passing time, costs will automatically drop, and many patients can benefit from it. Life would become beautiful once again.
    shampasaid

  • #777391

    Points:4
    Before I delve into other benefits of not curtailing seats in tech courses, I wish to draw the attention of the members who support reducing the number of seats in technology departments and shutting down Engineering colleges.

    Life is a precious gift. It would be a hard blow to the patients, their family members and even the medical fraternity who have dedicated themselves to human society when treatment will remain limited despite youths interested in garnering knowledge. It's the responsibility of the governments to find means to make it possible for the required treatment to reach the patients at a low cost. It will cure patients through which budding doctors, medical assistants and family members will reap the fruit.
    shampasaid

  • #777393

    Points:5
    In continuation to my earlier responses to this thread I will now conclude my views by mentioning that our country, because of the large population, whenever a scope is generated in one particular education stream then there is a big rush for admission in that category. In past we have seen many such situations when students were choosing the streams based on the job potential.
    Increasing job scope is instrumental in mushrooming of institutes providing those courses and when there is a glut in the market for the requirement of such qualified people then the question of seat reduction arises.
    So there is a mismatch between our educational capacities in various segments versus the job potential in the industries and companies around.
    These issues are to be taken up by the government at higher level to decide to allow number of institutions in a particular segment and monitor them from time to time so that the mismatch can be reduced to bare minimum. It will also require for the institutes to have an alternative plan to diversify in case the first one is not considered by the students due to lack of job opportunities.
    It is not going to be an easy task to monitor like that but it would definitely help in mitigating the crisis situation of closing down the institutes.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #777394

    Points:5
    I think the situation can be brought to a controllable stage with the regular monitoring of administrative agencies of the colleges providing the students a chance to select new patterns of courses formulated recently for the benefit of the aspirants, motivating students to identify the market situation and should show eagerness to join such courses.
    The engineering colleges set up decade back needs to modify the courses with the introduction of new tools such as MBA in Artificial Intelligence, Advanced Computation skills, Diplomas or degrees in Statistics, Post graduate degrees in Applied Mathematics or Applied Physics are the job promising areas in the current time.
    The management should introduce such courses with the interaction of various agencies such as AICTE, UGC and other connected agencies to include such courses for the better job prospects of the students.
    Maintaining some sort of flexibility can reverse the unemployment situation to a considerable extent.

  • #777395

      

    Points:8 (₹ 8)
    I feel we should be discussing two important points in this connection. The overall standard of private engineering colleges and the number of students who join through management vacancies.

    Why allow so many colleges to mushroom without checking their standards and the quality of education and campus life they provide? I am personally aware of yearly inspections that take place in some colleges that becomes more or less nothing than a drama. So, as said by some members, we need to ensure that the officials concerned do their duty properly and the recognition of colleges that are not up to the mark is taken away. The point is that we need to have colleges, but it should not become a business like opening shops or malls.

    I personally feel that it is fine when more students get admission after clearing the entrance tests with good scores after putting in much effort because that is generally an indication to their interest in and passion for the profession. Let students who approach such professional courses just like any other degree go for other courses. Why allow so many management seats and allow the owners to make money. The pressure on the authorities by the management associations to increase the number of management seats every year clearly shows that their aim is not to produce good engineers but to mint money.
    'Educating the mind without educating the heart is no education at all'.
    -Aristotle

  • #777396

    Points:5
    I agree with Saji on one point. That is the standard of the colleges should be improved if any college is not maintaining the required standards. the UGC or AICTE should decide on even cancelling recognition to those colleges. At the same time, colleges that are maintaining good quality should be allowed to increase the number of seats so that more students can join. There are some colleges where 100% employment is assured. In such colleges, management can be permitted to increase their seats.
    UGC should study the syllabus of Engineering students in other countries and change the syllabus of Indian BE/ BTech so that all standard companies across the globe will consider our Engineers.
    The important point is not to close down the colleges that are already existing. The government is insisting that private management give seats to merit students by taking the fees as decided by the government. Even today many are going for management seats means all free seats are getting filled in good colleges. So the need is to increase free seats in good colleges and maintain quality of education. This will reduce demand for management quota seats.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777398

    Points:5
    Yes, we must put a curb on the management- quota seats in the private engineering colleges. With the connivance of the concerned officials, the management of the engineering colleges emerges successful in raising seats every year according to their plan. This has become a way of revenue generation fulfilling their financial objectives but at the same time, the management is least bothered to improve upon the performance of the aspirants.
    The management should have given a special thrust to make them proficient enough so that the number of aspirants appearing for the GATE examination achieves an impressive percentile in their final scores. In that way, the path of the M.Tech course is archived with ease.
    I ES examination is equally tough if the aspirants are not clear with the basics of their streams. The management of the engineering colleges should look into the issues with which they are facing. Resolving the issues of the candidates would enhance the prestige of the college apart from fulfilling the learner's dream.

  • #777400

    Points:12 (₹ 12)
    My opinion regarding this thread posted by the author later opened as a GD is that both the colleges and the number of seats should be curtailed since the quality of engineering education has been down with so many engineering colleges of poor standards and infrastructure mushroomed as such. I strongly reiterate my point that recently, Anna University in Chennai, Tamil Nadu decided not to grant affiliation or penalize some engineering colleges (around 25 colleges) with poor admission (5% admission), infrastructure, etc., and more than 60 colleges with 25% admission have been granted conditional approval for the current academic year. At the same time, this renowned University has recommended transferring the students studying in these engineering colleges to other colleges as they are concerned with the education and career of these students. I feel this is a bold move taken by Anna University to cancel the affiliation of the colleges even though the revenue of the University would go down.

    The engineering colleges with state-of-the-art infrastructure, faculty, good enrolment of students, etc., should be given affiliation not compromising the standard of engineering education. The AICTE has the prerogative in this regard to limit the engineering colleges and the number of seats in each discipline in the colleges.

    I would like to add one more point that the management quota seats should be limited through which the colleges just mint money, not bothered about career scope of their wards. The AICTE/central/state governments are entirely responsible for this, and the students also choose the engineering degree just for the sake of pride. The attitude of the current younger generation needs a transformation too, I feel. Most of the B. Tech courses, the students opt for are IT, mechanical, EC, computer science and engineering, and other disciplines such as civil, structural, and architecture are overlooked despite they have abundant career opportunities.

  • #777401

    Points:4
    Another important point is that in addition to concentrating on quality, accountability of the faculty is also very important in government institutions. If these two issues are addressed we can expect our engineers to compete with students from international institutions and the demand for them will increase.
    These days many state government universities do not have sufficient staff. Due to lack of funds those vacancies are not filled. This is another reason for the deterioration in the quality of education. Private institutes are outperforming government institutions as they have no such problems. That is why many students prefer private institutions even though they have to pay a little more money. The governments must see that these issues are addressed properly.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777402

    Points:5
    Throughout my discussion, I have never advocated the closure of the existing Engineering Colleges but a little modification to the course - structure would make the same more relevant to the present situation. This might include the different updated tools in the different engineering streams to improve the knowledge of the aspirants. Such update inclusions would make the aspirants more knowledgeable in the areas of their course - structures.
    One additional point in the context of the present debate is to take care of the oral skills of the aspirants through the arrangement of a separate class session where they would learn the ways of presenting their points . This session might include other relevant tips to impress the board of interviews.
    The management of the engineering colleges hardly pays any importance to this issue though the same plays a pivotal role in the recruitment process of a candidate.

  • #777404

    Points:4
    I close my discussion finally saying that
    Reducing the seats ot closing down the college's will curtail the chances for youth to prove their abilities The following are some of the actions required by the concerned authorities to make our engineers more competent

    Improving the standards of education.
    Changing the curriculum in such a way that the students will get a better education and improve their chances of getting recruited
    UGC and AICTE should have a strict control and see that all colleges will have quality education.
    Involving industry professionals in academics so that industries needs will also be kept in mind while deciding the syllabus.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #777405

    Points:8 (₹ 8)
    Let us consider the entertainment industry. Long ago, we were in the era of silent movies, and now the industry has reached the AI era. Which field is responsible for such a massive leap in the entertainment business? Shouldn't we applaud the engineering and technological sector? Let's applaud them and wish for many more tech inventions which lead to successful careers and progressive approaches. Unless India moves towards progress, there will be a massive blow to the Indian citizens and its neighbours.

    Progress is always interdependent. As human beings, we depend upon family, friends, society and nationwide for success and progress. Even the educational disciplines are interrelated. Thus, one branch can march ahead only with the help of other branches. Simultaneously, both will see some progress in their fields.

    Railways has recently witnessed the emergence of the Vande Bharat train. It has not only reached a height in the Railways sector but directly taken the travel and tourism sector a notch higher. Those who have boarded Vande Bharat have got a good travelling experience. Can we expect such new achievements by teaching a limited number of Engineering students in a limited no. of colleges? Every engineering student will not choose the automobile, electrical or any other sector. Thus, keeping several colleges and giving a fair chance to many students would produce a chunk of successful careerists.

    Creating job opportunities is the responsibility of the administrative authorities, not only in the public sector, but the governments must take the required steps to enhance job opportunities in the private sector. Now and then, the Corporate Houses and various other private firms lay off their staves, on which the government must have strict restrictions. Sacking employees because of policy changes and whatnot should not be encouraged. The employees' future should not be at stake. Thus, the private owners should remain answerable to the central and state governments. Then, injustice towards the employees will stop, and misfortune will end.

    I believe strongly that the authorities must not axe the seats and colleges of BE/ B.Tech. The youths have the right to choose their career, and if they want a technological field, they must get that opportunity to make their career in the respective field. It will brighten the future of India. Thus, various other sectors will immensely develop and lead to a progressive India. Here I conclude my viewpoint.
    shampasaid


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