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    Points:5

    We are as guilty of compromises as politicians are

    At the time of elections, among the poorer classes, perhaps across India, there is a tendency to ask every candidate or his or her representative," what will you give me?". It is no secret that a rally organized for the Prime Minister at Coimbatore, by a very corrupt State leader of a national party, who threatens every rich man to give him donations, every single person who attended the rally was paid RS.500/. It was a pathetic sight to see the same crowd being taken to different spots in the route of the PM.

    Now comes the interesting part. The same supporters had also demanded Rs1000 for voting in favour of the corrupt leader. And even more interesting is the fact that a huge amount of the one thousand crore rupees has been swindled by the corrupt leader and his cronies.

    The same situation is there in the other parties as well. So, it is quite true thar a single individual who would ultimately vote for someone, would collect at least eight thousand rupees from different parties.

    Where are we coming to? How can a former civil servant behave in the most irrational way with the press, indulge openly in all corrupt practices and get aaway with it? And why is that the average man has also become corrupt, demanding money for his or her vote? Is this not bribery and a total compromise on values?

    We need a total moral revolution in our country. Otherwise, we have reached a point of no return. Or so it seems.

    What can we do now?
  • #779019

    Points:5
    During elections parties resort to all tactics to woo the voters. Money and material everything is used by these people and voters accept it happily.
    The author has exposed the rampant corruption that is there in the system and is asking for a solution. I am not sure whether the amount of money mentioned in the post is correct or not but whatever be the level of corruption, it is not easy to eradicate it.
    We can blame the politicians for offering goodies to voters and also blame the public accepting it but at the first place why the politicians are allowed to make such offers. They should be caught by the enforcement agencies and should be punished for their malafide actions so that they do not dare to do it again.
    If our governance is good such things can be controlled. I have my own doubts that even revolution is not going to change these things because the only change would be that some other people will be in power and we do not know their conduct after getting power.
    Knowledge is power.

  • #779020

    Points:4
    The author has presented a dreadful situation of corruption especially during the election time in our country. We all know that some politicians are corrupt and creating big problems in the system. Actually, leaders are supposed to lead and give an honest example and then create a progressive environment. If that does not happen then we all suffer and eventually country would suffer. What we require today is some honest leaders who can clean the system and bring the guilty to books. Until severe punishments are given and examples are set the evil people will not change their corrupt ways.
    We need not only one but many honest leaders today who can guide the system in a progressive path.
    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #779022

    Points:5
    What the author has indicated is a pathetic situation which we all are witnessing. Whatever is happening between the public and the politicians seems like the cat and mouse race and such a race will prevail till democracy in our country lasts
    Freebies are a kind of bribe and once the public is accustomed to such donations, they would like to have more of such type of charities. There is no end to their demands.
    What we are noticing is that such a donation is doing harm to the nation and is allowing our people to resort to an unfair system. The author has stated how the politicians are making money by way of asking for donations from rich people taking them into confidence that the funds collected would be utilised for the welfare of the common people. In this process, they make huge sums for their benefit.
    If we recall our past, we would observe that our politicians were honest and sincere and have done their best to improve the standard of the people.

  • #779025

    Points:-1
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  • #779026

    Points:5
    The author has raised an issue that is a common phenomenon in his state, i.e. Tamil Nadu. The political parties which indulge in politics bring people to their meetings by hiring people. The people who are below the poverty line are brought to the meeting with a small amount of money and with a packet of country liquor. I have noticed this phenomenon way back in 2008 during the regime of Karunanidhi, when I went there for some other work. We have also witnessed tragedies in Tamil Nadu when people consumed this hooch supplied by those political parties.

    I am amused that the present author did not mention these facts and blames a political party that he hates.

    He talks about 'moral revolution'. Who will usher in a moral revolution? People like him who blame a political party for everything and forget the misery caused by other parties in his state?

  • #779028

    Points:4
    We all know that some political parties indulge in such practices and some even have nexus with underworld or dishonest businessmen. But we cannot indicate only a particular one party or person because that reflects the biasing or hate for a specific person in our mind.
    Another thing is that we have to see the relative merit of the political leaders and political parties. The choice is ours and we have to find the better of the lot. Voter is the most important person in any election and if they vote to a better person the result would always be better and conducive for growth and prosperity.
    Thoughts exchanged is knowledge gained.

  • #779033

    Points:5
    As far as my knowledge goes, Tamil Nadu is the first state which start giving gifts to voters to ask them to vote for their parties. In Hyderabad, there was a meeting of a very important leader from the present opposition party in the centre. For that meeting, the party has to bring candidates from various corners of the state. So this party has provided DCMs to all villages and the village leader has given Rs.1000/- rupees to each candidate and made them sit in the DCM and brought them to Hyderabad. They have to give each person one mutton Biryani Packet and a beer bottle and they have to leave them back after the meeting is over. All this exercise was to be carried out by the candidates who are contesting from Telangana for the MP slot.
    Many will be given mainly for Assembly elections. In Andhra Pradesh during the 2019 election voters were given Rs,5000/' per vote. That is why the change should come in the mindset of the voter. Then only we can see a good leader in the ruling.
    drrao
    always confident

  • #779069

    Points:5
    Mr Patrakar possibly does not know that a whooping sum of one thousand crores was spent by the so-called national party that he talks about. If the two powerful parties in Tamil Nadu bring voters by bribing them, the same was done by this so-called national party.

    She just visited the flood-affected areas. This rich party did nothing. The State Chief, who talks as if he is the saviour who has come to save Tamil Nadu, did nothing, except distributing some milk in a few areas. On the contrary, several thousands of volunteers of the DMK and the public offered all help to the affected people.

    Yes, the common man is not so happy with certain things. But he knows that the "national party" will simply ruin his life. There is a fabulous scheme where every girl child in the sixth and above standard gets Rs1000 per month till she completes her graduation. Local bus travel is free for women.

    There is absolutely no such scheme wherever the "national"party is in power. Mr Patrakar talks as if the so-called party or it's leader is very honest. The recent utterances of its leaders are totally unconstitutional and yet the Election Commission does not take action. Does Mr Patrakar mean to say that the so-called national party has done wonderful work in the past decade? What about Rafale Deal and electoral bonds? What about misuse of the ED and CBI and other agencies? Does he know that the State leader in Tamil Nadu has made more than 3000 crores by just threatening the rich people with ED raids?

  • #779070

    Points:-1
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  • #779071

      

    Points:1
    I am temporarily locking this thread. To avoid controversy on the subject thread, it would be brought to the notice of Admin for a review.

    Update- This thread is being reopened for discussion with strict instruction that only responses relevant to the thread and are also well within the posting guidelines are posted. All participating members including the author may please note.
    Regards,
    Jagdish

  • #779083

    Points:4
    After careful reading of the main post and subsequent responses of Mr. Shiv Kumar (some of which are now even deleted), I fail to understand the exact topics for discussion in this post.

    Does the author want to discuss moral decadence of voters, bringing people into the rally by paying money and supplying country liquor by a political party or by all parties in Tamil Nadu, Rafale deal, electoral bond, ED raids or free bus ride for ladies, or what?

    I hope Mr. Shiv Kumar clarifies exactly what he wants to discuss in this post.

  • #779085

    Points:5
    Am sorry that my post has been deleted. I just wanted to react to Mr. Patrakar. However, I would like to just stop the discussion with just two or three points. The first point is that the political narrative being built around a major religion in favour of a party is very dangerous, with moral overtones. So, the moral revolution has to start right here and one does hope that public discourse in the years to come promotes a more balanced view of the federal and secular features of a mature democracy. The second point is that bribing voters has not stopped with Tamil Nadu but the malice has spread to all corners of India. The third point is more important than the first two points. We need a bottom-up approach to economic development, more like the one we have in Tamil Nadu or Karnataka or Kerala. Otherwise, vast masses of people will become very poor, thereby increasing the gap between the rich and the poor.

    The moral revolution will take a long time to come. We need ethical leadership for this at all levels. In the short term, this may not be possible.

  • #779090

    Points:5
    The author has come with a ground reality. I agree in total with the title statement.

    While earlier it was 'Yathaa raajaa, thathaa praja'. now, it is just the opposite" Yathaa prajaa,thathaa raaja'. We get rulers as we deserve only.

    If we have to get good rulers and leaders, we have to become good and better citizen and demand better moral and Dharmic human values. That is to start from homes, continue with and in schools and teachers and from society in general.

    This can happen only when the laws are stringent deterrents and applied without bias. The rulers and law enforcers should be knowledgeable and beyond temptation level. Those who stand for clean behaviour and core values and corruption free governance should be encouraged. Anti-socials should be isolated and brought before law.

    The thought of getting something free-when one can easily and sincerely work and get it- should be discouraged. While on one side we abhor begging, in reality every one indulged in organised begging-that is clamouring for more and more freebies. Simply ironic.

    But elections and voting are one such opportunity for us. we should not compromise there.
    If compromised then we have only the last straw ; to wish for Bhagavat Geetha sloka starting with ' Yadaa yadaa hi dharmasya ....". to happen. But when will that we cannot predict now.

  • #779091

    Points:7
    It is only after posting my above response that I read follow-up responses by the author which again made me read all the responses till now in detail.
    While I have to frankly point out that it is the thread author who has brought some clear political biased view in this thread, I am to record my appreciation to the responses by other seasoned members of ISC forum. They have responded in a well balanced way consciously avoiding political overtones. Even then just in the guise of responding one response the author has again injected political bias.
    When in #779083 the author was clearly asked "Does the author want to discuss moral decadence of voters.." instead of agreeing the author again prolongs with avoidable specifics. Let ISC forum members not fall into political bias but take the discussion on the basic general unbiased lines.


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