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    Traditional blackboards vs Modern Teaching Aids - which is better & why - active GD

    More & more classrooms are now equipped with white boards and audio-visual teaching aids such as projectors to depict lessons in power point slides. Do you think the traditional blackboard has been sidelined? Are there certain subjects which are better taught on a blackboard rather than, say, through a power point presentation?

    Give your views on the merits & demerits of using modern teaching aids as opposed to the traditional blackboard.

    As suggested by members, we will not keep the GD open for a lengthy amount of time as was done earlier.
    Closing date for this GD: October 23rd 2011

    We do hope some new participants come into active GDs!
  • #245312
    Though there is no doubt that modern teaching aids such as powerpoint presentations, audio visual techniques are better than traditional
    blackboards but modern teaching aids are limited to schools only .
    Whereas there is subsitute for blackboard popularly known as Slate
    which can be used at home as well. Further what is taught on blackboard in classroom can be explained or repeated at home using slate.However modern teaching aids has limitation that it is not possible for every student to avail modern teaching aids at home . So my conclusion is that modern teaching aids should supplement old teaching methods like
    traditional blackboard and not sideline it.

  • #245316
    The blackboard is the most used teaching aid in India. India lives in villages. There are thousands and thousands of schools in villages and also in small towns in India which use the traditional blackboards. It is only some corporate schools and international schools in the metropolitans and the surrounding areas which have started using new techniques of teaching which we call white boards or electronic boards combined with the software prepared for use on these white boards. All government schools and many mediocre private schools in the cities too use only the blackboard as the most important teaching aid in these schools. There is no denying the fact that the modern teaching aids have advantage over the traditional teaching aid. But when we look into the cost of the teaching involved by white boards, the method cannot be used in the schools which depend on a very less fees collected from the parents. The government if it wants introduce the methodology will have to spend crores of rupees to introduce the white boards in the government schools. Each white board along with a computer and the projector which is must for using it will require more than Rs.1.50 lakh to be spend. I don't think our government can afford to spend this much money on these white boards. Just installing a white board will not work, one needs to have the educational lessons tailor made to the needs of a particular institution. Presently several companies supplying white boards provide the educational software which can be generally used in schools but still the schools need a specialised software. The white boards supplying do not supply the software for languages development where the schools need to depend on the traditional black boards. Here comes the disadvantage. You have to install a fixed white board in a class room. If the teacher wants to use the ordinary blackboard along with the white board, there will not be any space left for the blackboard to be used say for languages. Another disadvantage of the white board that its operating costs also will be very high. You have to continuously use the overhead projector which consumes a lot of electric power. You have to replace the lamp of the projector at regular times which is a very costly affair, each lamp costing above Rs.15,000 or so. There are many more things coming to mind which I will discuss later as the group discussion progresses.
    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245318
    I welcome the GD and start with saying that modern technological aids for teaching are better. It does not mean that I discard old methods are totally useless. In every walks of life we apply newer and newer technological aids and adaptations to aid, supplement and enhance quantity, quality and convenience. Same applies to education also.

    Let us see how the system of teaching and learning evolved over times. Before the facilities for writing and storing were invented teaching and learning was from mouth to ear.

    Initially writing was done by inscriptions on stones, then on palm leaves by inscribing on them with sharp objects. Subsequently paper and marking aids like ink and lead pencil were invented. Then came printing. It was followed by projections, and now we stand with the use of computer and computer aided facilities. Somewhere during the evolution chalk and boards were put to use.
    But still, we have not totally abandoned some the old systems like chalk and blackboard also. That is because, learning starts from early age, and new and complicated technology cannot be handles and understood by small children. So for starting at lower level some of the old techniques , tried and tested for years, are still useful and practical and proper, though at higher levels technologically supported aids can and have to be used.

  • #245322
    A nice topic to discuss with the members of ISC. I prefer old sytem of black boards are the better system. Since, new systems like using projectors causes some eye infection to kids as there is various in intensity and also now-a-days many of the kids already wearing power glasses, adding this will worse the worse the eye sight of those kids to further extent.
    Thanks & Regards,
    LOGULASELVAN.

  • #245324
    In traditional black board method, teacher has to spend time during the class to draw the visual material. When I was studying in Engineering College, mechanical engineering professor was taking half an hour to draw the cross section view of mechanical elements in one hour period. Now with modern power point, such things can be explained easily without the labor.
    In the power point presentation, we can change the sequence of presentation very easily by providing link.
    With net connected presentation, we can bring illustration of pictures and videos very easily and impress the audience.
    For teaching engineering subjects, medical subjects and science subjects, power point presentation with net will reduce the load of the teacher.
    However for teaching art and mathematics the old black board is still a good choice.
    For encouraging students to do step by step any problem, black board method will be useful.

  • #245326
    @ Venkiteswaran

    Sir, we have not just abandoned the treaditional system like chalks and the blackboard. As I stated that the new system is being used at present only a few corporate and international schools at present. If we calculate the percentage of the shcools using the new method it is only a negligible percentage. Here I am not talking about the use of computers alone. But what we are concerned here is the use of electronic white board where a teacher can use the board inter-actively and the ordinary cheap blackboard. Of course, the white board can be made use of in any classes from the kindergarten to the highest class in the school or college. It has definitely great advantage over the blackboard. But the crux of the matter is the cost of education involved when we use a white board. The companies who supply these white boards demand an additional Rs.75 to Rs.100 per student for using a white board in the class. They keep the management in dark not telling the managements the fact of the operating costs of these machines which the shcools have to bear. Only the managements which have some knowledge about the machines will take into account these costs. The others are just lured by the companies to have a look at the working of the whiteboards, demonstrate it and write an agreement with the management for their use. The managements, at least those have limited funds come to know of this after the agreement is already entered into.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245329
    We have to take a balance approach and application of both in teaching.
    We know a student learn fast whay he see rather what he is told .

  • #245330
    @ S Ramakrishnan

    The display of the pictures, images and movies and power points can be done even without a white board which is costing around a lakh of rupees and along with projector needed to run it, the cost will be quite exorbitant and also take into consideration the cost daily operating the board, the projector and the computer. The electric bill per month will be quite high. So the only advantage of the white board is that a teacher can inter-act with it using the various options available in it instead of writing on the black board. Here also some white boards have the software where you can write with your fingers, otherwise a special pen has to be used.

    So my suggestion is that if you want to use it only for text, images, movies and power point slides you need not to use the white board and instead you can buy an LCD TV of about 32" or 42" size (good enough for display) in a big room and attach to your computer and run the educational lessons. You can also use the ordinary blackboard along with it whenever needed by the teacher. The cost of teaching aids in this ways will be reduced to more than one-third and the operating costs will be negligible since your PC and LCD TV will not consume much electricity and no need to change lamps of your projector in case you use white board.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245340
    I would like members to discuss not just the merits & demerits of one type of teaching aid over the other, but also teaching aids for specific subjects too. For example, don't you think it would be easier to explain complex mathematical & chemical formulas on a blackboard rather than via a power point slide show? Students can come up to the board and try out various ways to get to the correct solution - something they cannot do with a power point presentation. I also feel traditional blackboards provide for greater interaction between the teacher and the students.
    When you make a commitment, you create hope. When you keep a commitment you create trust! ~ John C. Maxwell

  • #245352
    If power point takes the place of blackboard then first of all the problem will create for teachers.Suppose student asks any problem and teacher have no blackboard to solve it.How can they solve it on the projector?But on various hard and complex topics power point can be a better choice like If there is a hard topics like mechanical subject then it will more interesting to teach with power point.Because it looks like any movie and its dialogue we can remember the most important topics.
    So I think there should a blackboard in a class and a different projection room.Like in most institute present.The change should on the time that we should use more time the projector.Blackboard is the root of our education system and .Good to take mixture of both for better education.

  • #245354
    Traditional blackboards can be used for geometry, botany subjects where the lecturer has to explain with a drawing. Besides this i feel the new method is good for the students to understand which includes picture and made attractive using various colors except the black and white which is the same in traditional blackboards everyday.

    A new interest will be generated amongst the students, scope for preparation for the subjects on their own lines and projecting it in the class will give room to vast knowledge which can be shared thus developing public speaking, increasing the confidence level of the students.

    Hence the new method is better than the traditional blackboards.

  • #245362
    In case you are teaching a very young students, say a student of a pre-primary class and you want to teach them the sounds of animals and birds. It is obvious that you cannot bring these animals or birds to a class room. Even if you are able to bring one to the classroom, they may not produce the sound at the time you want to teach the students. First of all the situation looks very impracticable. But this can be easily done with the help of a power point slide, where the three aspects of teaching will be synchronised. Let us take an example that your want to teach the sound of a dog. Type the words : 'A dog says – wow, wow' in the PowerPoint slide. Insert the picture of a dog. Give the sound effect while inserting a sound clip of the dog sound. When the slide is played the student will see the image of the dog and look at the words displaying how we name the sound of the dog and at the same time, listen to the sound of the dog.

    A costly white board or smart board and an over head projector is not needed for the purpose. If you feel that the screen of your monitor is too small for the students to look at, use a 32" LCD TV as computer monitor. It will take a less space and the teacher can also use the black board with it when required.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245363
    I think the traditional methods of black boards still holds good for making a good teaching be it on any subject. India is a poor country and we cannot afford to study on modern methods in the way of power point presentation. Moreover our rural schools are habituated to classes under the tree and they cannot understand the modern methods , nor there will be any suitable facilities to enhance their knowledge through power point.

    I feel the teacher with a stick on one hand and the chalk on the other hand can well explain the intricacies of Indian education through black board, which is very cheap, affordable, understandable and can be presented to the liking of local language. More over a school without black board cannot boast of a school.

    I strongly recommend black board method is best way of teaching.

    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245365
    Manish Gupta you have yourself agreed to the fact that modern teaching techniques are limited to some schools only so traditional methods holds good.

    Venkiteshwaran please note that our students are not that technology ready to listen, see and understand the modern way of imparting. They may instead enjoy a movie over the screen.

    Ramakrishanan please note that if the power fails , at that time we must ask the class to keep quiet as no activity can be done.

    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245373
    Every method has its own importance. Traditional blackboards and Modern teaching aids both better but on different aspects of teaching. In modern teaching aids projector are the main source of teaching as well as laptops. We can better understand on projector rather then blackboards. There is research conduct by a company in which they finds students are understand better if they can see the pictures about a particular topic. In presentations we see both text as well as pictures and we are able to understand better then if a teacher taught us same topic on blackboards. There are only important points present in the presentations, so we can easily understand rather then if we study whole topic in book. Teacher will also find less difficulty on presentations. The other advantage of presentations is that they are very helpful during exam time because we need important points and all important points are shows in presentation with pictures. But this can be helpful for some theory subject but in numerical subject like maths and physics there is no need of projector presentations. Then we need traditional blackboards because a teacher will not able to solve numerical problems on presentations. In maths there is no need to learn, instead of learning we need to understand. Like in reactions in chemistry they are never taught on projector, a teacher must need blackboards where students practice their problems and all do cross questioning with teacher during a problem solving. But as the time goes away we able to develop such technology by which we can write in the projector presentations and this will replace blackboards forever.

    But I personally recommend both traditional blackboards and modern teaching aids. Because the mixture of old and modern ways leads to a better way of teaching which can very helpful for students in learning easily and best.

    Regards,
    Deepak Yadav
    Dell Alienware M17x - 3D gaming laptop

  • #245374
    In my opinion there is a great way to travel to make whole India well verse with the modern technology.
    The parents of the yester years are not able to help their children with the changing technology and thus the students have to suffer a lot. It is only possible when one whole generation is getting educated through the new technological advanced system so that they can help their kids in the future.
    It can be possible that the schools should have both the system running simultaneously more of the work should be done on the blackboard and little of the work on the new system.
    Here the positive and the negative aspects will be taken care duly and the coming generation will easily understand the new system of education easily.
    Mr. Sukhdev you have your points which are valid but just consider that all of a sudden if the change comes in then there will be lot of problem and the poor students will suffer at large.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


    World without God is Zero without One!

  • #245380
    I agree that the kids in the primary classes should be taught with all the possible audio visual system. This will be a nice beginning for them!
    The most important thing in life is writing and if the students will be following the new technological system of education then they will ruin their writing.
    I just want to make a submission that both the systems should run hand in hand otherwise there will be lot of problem which no one can rectify at the end.
    The generation next is taking birth with the technological advancements and they can find ways to cope up with the same but the other fact is that we still don't have teachers who are themselves well versed with the neo system of education.
    Experiments with the future should not be conducted which can make us cut a sorry figure in the end. Both the systems have to move in competence with each other or else the loss will be irreparable.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


    World without God is Zero without One!

  • #245383
    I do feel since India lagging behind with power and infrastructure issues in the schools and mostly as Mr. Sukhdev has pointed out Indian educational infrastructure still being under qualified (in most of the schools classes are conducted outside under the trees in rural areas) it is better to have traditional blackboard methodology supplemented with modern teaching assistive methods to some extent. In view of making the students to get more interacted with the teaching staff using blackboard and chalk is ideal letting them to draw diagrams and to solve mathematical problems on a trial basis. To elaborate or to highlight some points or diagrams or some theorems, chalkboard system can be used in a more effective fashion since the fundamentals can be able to be followed more understandably and then to go through the tougher aspect of the lessons by the students. This can be only achieved only through blackboard method and definitely not modern methods like power point presentation, PPT and TOHP enhanced methodology. Students may also be encouraged to take active participation in the class. Though these have their unique advantages yet the chalk and talk way of teaching is still the influencing form of lecturing.

  • #245385
    Traditional method of teaching which includes a chalk piece. The teachers are tend to dust allergy from this chalk powder. I agree that rural school cannot use such high technology, but when they start implementing one by one-they would be able to start teaching with new methods.

  • #245394
    Only on saying that comes to my mind is: Slow and steady wins the race.
    We have to plan the neo educational system at a very slow pace. Ms. Bhavani, rightly mentioned that the rural India is still far away from the modern educational system.
    Most of the teachers are not coming to schools; there are fake registrations of the students only to avail the benefits from the government. The latest scam which is brought to light in Maharashtra where 2 lakh students are enrolled in different educational institutions and none is really available.
    At most of the places the teachers are not educated enough to teach the basic subjects to the students, what to say about the neo educational system.
    The slow change can help in the longer run rather than a sudden change which will be a problem.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


    World without God is Zero without One!

  • #245395
    Hello sir, I like blackboard classroom. So i suggest it is best education way to all pupils. Many student do not need new way teaching. Student want to know the technology above 10 years old. After that technology will teach him wright way. So do not push the new technology and new way training to the children. They are soft and childish. They are need freedom to all the way. We have to avoid using new technology in teaching.
    Regards
    Nagaraj
    (All Powers are within U)

  • #245401
    Hello Friends,
    I will go with the Modern methods of teachings, Though the traditional method had been effective till 2000, The times have changed and we have moved into the computer period in which everything is done with the help of computers. It is the easy method to spread the information to a large crowd. A simple set of pictures or a mini movie will clearly say the idea behind a story, which would be earlier taken for three or more classes.
    Now a days the management studies are found effective only after the use of advanced technology like Power point presentation, Seminars etc., It is a fact that those subjects that are taken for 5 classes are covered in two classes using newer technology like the implementation of tools like projectors. Now a days Students are using computers and Internet's to get an idea on the subject along with that which is taught in the class which is definitely the newer technology.
    We are still in the slowest path and we need to get fast to meet our challenges, therefore it is not wrong to use the newest technology which is effective than that of the ancient model of education that is black board teaching.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

    "The greatest achievement comes from the biggest challenges"

  • #245418
    Sudhan you have agreed to the fact that till 2000 we were taught on black board, and shifting loyalties to new method is not that easy and productive too. Though we have moved to computer age. not every one is familiar with. Still many consider it a box confined to some office works. Too many illustrations shown through new method confuses our rural student the most. So nothing can match the black board method.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245423
    The traditional method of Board and chalk piece teaching has an exceptional advantage over other modern methods of teaching. Traditional method will provide a live interaction between the teacher and students than that of modern technology methods which are are purely mechanical. A talented teacher with the ability of his perception can easily estimate his students drawbacks and difficulties in understanding the topic. A talented teacher with all his resources and abilities can guide the students in proper direction to make them understand which any other mechanical modern device can not do it. A talented teacher is a live wire in the class room, according to the situation of the students explain the concepts with live examples and make the students to get inspired with his bodily movements in teaching. A talented teacher through questioning or even seeing their faces can know to which extent the students are able to grasp what he had taught and thereby he can proceed in a different way to make them understand better in which modern technology fails. Various activities involved in student and teacher learning process will help the students understand the concepts better. This traditional method follows the concept of little success leads to better learning but with modern technology methods that possibility is not there. Due to live interaction between students and teacher a kind of bond will be formed between students and teacher which improve their better learning which we cannot expect from modern technology. Modern technology has certain limitation in itself i.e. the lessons prepared in this way may not cater the actual needs of the students, can not explain the concepts in all possible ways, if the content of the topic is not properly prepared make it boring for the students. Moreover for such preparation of lessons lot of money investment, new technology and highly talented individuals with lot of skills are needed. Simply we can not rule out using modern technology has no value in education but it has lot of limitations compared over traditional methods of teaching. We can use this modern technology in a balanced way to enhance the benefits of traditional methods to reach the students.

  • #245429
    In my opinion both of the things that are discussing here, traditional boards and white boards have their de-merits and merits over the times in use as both are equally important. Primarily before discussion about the importance, i would like to tell about the situation that is prevailing in India. India is a developing country and the same can be implied to the schools of India as here in India the level of education system is also slowly increasing and have been competing with the world higher education systems. With this many of the schools in cities, not entirely but 1/3rd among them are seeking the high level class education and are implementing these type of boards. The parents who can afford and bear, they are making their children to join as they knew the benefits that are got by this education. But there are many schools which are lacking proper facilities. For these type of schools it is harder to get these type of facilities. The thing that can be done by the Government is that for providing this facility some of the software developers must be appointed and the same is to be implemented all over the state.
    For doing this there would be less cost to the Government also as by seeing the present times, especially Andhra Pradesh which is suffering from severe strike, is benefited a lot by using this type of software's as without a teacher also the syllabus can be made understood.
    Though my discussion is deviated from the topic, but my main point of view is that as everything is developing, there must be a change in the teaching system also as by this the interest develops among the students to also learn more rather then the teacher teaching by writing on the board. For example take the Social lesson of learning of India in which for small kids it is harder to say through black board for naming different states. But by using these multimedia boards the map can be drawn within seconds and the state that has to be mentioned is highlighted with the next slide and marking the regions among them is easy. The other example can be taken from the Physical Science of the body, where it is required to show the body with different systems like, digestive system, nervous system, skeletal system etc., and a teacher cannot draw them every time instead they draw one upon one and this would create a confusion among the students. It would be more harder if the teacher says to look into the books which is mostly printed in black and white; but by using these PowerPoint slides the actual matter can be made to viewable to the students in color with different pictures also.
    Hence, my vote is to the white boards and I do not say that the black boards are kept aside instead they must also be given a place in the room and they must be used at the time of need as always the power may not come due to power cuts. In these times these black boards must be used without interrupting the syllabus.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #245434
    @ Komal

    The point raised by you is understandable. The same thing can be done on the interactive white board. The interactive white board acts in the same way with many added features as the blackboard. The only difference is that you have to use your finger or a special pen for writing on the white board. You need not draw a picture but can have a ready made picture drwan on the white board. Otherwise a teacher can write on the white board in the same way as the teacher used the blackboard. The difference is in the cost of using a white board in place of black board. This difference is enormous and the cost cannot be met by schools charging very less fees from the students. Even the best of the blackboards you can get withing the range of Rs.5000 but the white board including the cost of the projector and computer will cost more than rupees one and a half lakh. If the cost of the white board can be brought down to a reasonable level, then it will be the best teaching aid in the market.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245440
    The neo technology requires electricity and this is the main ingredient. What will happen if there is no current? Just take example of UP where the power cut is for 20 hours a day. The children who will be taught on this neo system will have to do their homework also on the new pattern and when there will be no current then how the work will progress. We all are talking about the implementation of the modern techniques and technology but we are just not discussing the requirements which are essential to coop up with the new technology.
    Mr. Sudhan, I cannot understand about which India are you taking about? Still in Delhi the capital of India the schools are using the old and the traditional method of teaching through chalk and blackboard. Here we are not discussing the management or the higher education segment but we are talking about schooling level. Even in colleges the same old system is being used. The private and management colleges are attracting students through the advertisement of free laptops and believe me I myself have seen students who don't know how to operate a laptop.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


    World without God is Zero without One!

  • #245448
    Sukhdev sb, I am surprised that you being related to the education industry are advocating a technology of white board rather than the black board. Respected Sir, I cannot imagine as to how many of the teachers are perfect in using the white board. We still have to wait for few years when a good lot of teachers are coming out who are well versed with the usage of the modern technological advanced gadgets.
    Another problem which might fall in is the teacher first going to school and learning to use the advance gadgets and then coming back to the class and teaching the students. I have visit a remote area of Haryana–Sirsa–where schools are huge but quality education is nowhere to be seen. This town has lot of money but the students are not having the basics clear.
    The use of neo technological techniques should be introduced in the schools and the government should made it mandatory for setting up one or two class rooms when the children should be taken once a week and taught on the modern technological system. This will broom the next generation and then the problem in understand or teaching will be minimised.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


    World without God is Zero without One!

  • #245455
    @Ramakrishna Kambhampati

    You have rightly said that Traditional method will provide a live interaction between the teacher and students than the modern technology which is purely mechanical. We are talking here of the teacher being replaced by the modern methods of teaching. Instead the talented teacher you are talking about has to be more active and has to use his or her talent by using the features of the interactive white board. The teacher can use the white board in the same way as he or she uses the blackboard. In addition there are many interactions involved in the use of whiteboard which are not possible with the black board. It has a lot of advantages. My point is only whether those interactions which a teacher enjoys with the whiteboard are worth the cost of it. The second important thing is that we must be able to make use of the board after spending a fortune on it. One has to go into very deep into the matter and one must not be lured by just the qualities of the white board.

    When we come to the use of the whiteboard, just think of its daily use. Can you keep the overhead projector always on which is a pre-requisite to run the blackboard. Just think of the electrical bill and the life of the projector lamp getting reduced every time you use it. Keep in mind the power cuts in our country. When you think of the power cuts, it looks to be very unwise decision to go for a white board. After all we are not going to buy it to be kept as wasteful equipment.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245461
    thanks for bringing such a nice topic for discussion. As we know that every coin have two faces in the same way traditional blackboard and modern era equipments of teaching have certain merit and demerit. According to my opinion if somebody are looking for the conclusion of which one is the best equipment for teacher and for also student that would be modern era equipments. An modern era equipment having number of advantages over the traditional blackboard.let us take the example of an electronic equipment projector it not only gives the visual display of the subject but also save lots of time. we can increase the font of projector when number of of student is more which is not possible in case of black board. if we look on to the demerits that's only the amount of investment. As we know we are going through the electronic era so the day is not so far when we will start using projectors just like tv and radio in every village or in remote area. If somebody have modern era equipment then for him or anybody TRADITIONAL BLACKBOARD never been an option. At last but not least we must respect our tradition but we should not leave any opportunity to live in the modern era.

    Regards
    Ashish

  • #245463
    @ Prithvi Kocharla
    I understand your concern our students should be taught using modern technology which mean using white boards for the purpose of our discussion. Another suggestion made by you is that the government should provide facilities to the software developers. Here our concern is the white board which is hardware where the teacher interacts with the board to explain several things to the students which cannot be done on the ordinary blackboard. The software is loaded in the computer to be displayed on the white board through an overhead projector. The whiteboard is nothing but a projector screen with additional features. You cannot use the projector screen as a writing board but the same can be done on the whiteboard. It is a screen cum writing board. The other difference is the projector screen can be rolled up and this is an advantage over the white board which is a fixed equipment.

    No one when deny the merits of the white board over the black board. But we must see the ground realities. In a country like us facing shortage of electricity, is it possible to use the white board all the time? What is the teacher going to do in the class when there is power cut from 2-3 hours a day? The teacher cannot use the black board also because the place for the black board in the classroom is utilised by the white board. Just think of the use of electric power when you continuously use the overhead projector (No projector consumes less than 300 watts of electricity per hour of use). The lamps used by the projectors do not cost less than Rs.15000. Just think of the cost when you have to replace the lamps quite often because they run only for a limited number of hours. Will it not be wasteful expenditure, if you become very enthusiastic and buy a white board worth lakhs of rupees without looking into these ground realities?

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245464
    @Sukhdev Singh,
    Sir The cost factor is the thing which has to be met by the Management and the government for both public and private sectors. The Private sector can afford these facilities as they are getting thousands and thousands of fees from the public and the Government has to do the changes as to develop the standards of education and hence it is essential that Traditional method should be replaced by the modern method of education.

    There were lot of Forum Questions raised which were based on this like the one raised by Sukhdev Sir on the top 200 universities of the world in which no university for India got into it for which the main reason was nothing other than the modern technology and the one made by Mohan Sir on the topic that the Private sector schools in Telegana region that said that the student's are to be taught by on-line method of education even when the whole Andhra is affected by strikes and break downs. Both these threads said the importance of Modern equipment in modern days.

    @ Nadeem Naqmi
    We have always waited for the change and now we have got the change and we are waiting for the talent to use them. I don't think it will take a lot of time for the teachers and staffs to get an idea about them and hence they will easily adopt to the new situation.

    @Mohan Sir,
    It is not that the older benefits still give the same benefits when there are modern equipment to provide good education standards to students why cant we afford them rather to stick on to the ancient culture prevailing in India.

    I have also seen in the thread formation that most of them are studying the case only on the educational standards of India but there is nothing that is stated that it is confined to India and so the education should be taken at the global level and not Indian level and while all the other nations have developed, still our rural section and most of the Urban section has not adopted the modern changes and the wealth of the nation is said to be its barrier which is third amongst the nations of the globe.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

    "The greatest achievement comes from the biggest challenges"

  • #245466
    I agree with the point hold by Nadeem that the teacher themselves need to be trained on the modern teaching methodology such as PPT and TOHP (transparencies with an overhead projector). Most of govt. based teachers lack skills to use the above-mentioned technical aids. These can be a driving force only at the college level where colleges may be equipped with latest technology.

    @Sudan. Do you know the fact that in most of the Indian schools teacher-student ratio is not in proportion and in such case how can you expect the computers and internet to access modern teaching aids? Prior to introducing modern means of educational aids, it is prudent to have the required number of teachers and let them trained in this. Once this has been reached both of them need to be carried over side by side and to have better interaction with students whatever the subject may be taught traditional blackboard should never be sidelined.

  • #245469
    Mr. Sudhan and Mr. Prithvi in your opinions as you mentioned it is better to move towards modern technology in teaching. In addition to my explanation in my above thread, that I am adding a little more from my experience here. As I belong to teaching community a little experience of what we had with the white boards in my school I am providing here. Last year, my school management provided Smart Classes (in many corporate schools through out India following) for as many as 15 sections with this facility with lakhs of investment. But Maths teachers when they have gone through the content of our ICSE syllabus they didn't find any suitable materials to show them. Even the content what it is there they found only a few simple problems were explained. Similarly History and Geography more than 70% of the syllabus is not there. Science subjects have comparatively much useful content with good animations. But some of the topics with less content what we need and the other topics have more content than what we require. But going through all these anomalies teachers we decided, we can use this for our revision purpose in assistance to our traditional method of teaching. From this what I want to say is, to satisfy the needs of the students this method can be used in assistance to traditional method of teaching. Traditional teaching aids like models, charts with diagrams and specimens can be used in traditional teaching to manage time as well as for effective teaching.

  • #245471
    Sudhan i think affording for digital class in this age is costly affair. It will be viewed as entertainment mode rather than education tool. Children will be of high expectations that they can view their cartoon channels too and that wont happen. So to avoid this confusion black board writing and teaching is method and traditional too.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245495
    @sukhdev singh
    Sir i am agree with your views but as we know every problem have some solution. If we are installing modern equipment in any school or college then we should care about regular power supply. Now a days apart from transformer power supply we can get the power supply through generator, inverter and solar energy. I do know that its just like giving somebody huge amount of money who can do the same thing on very few amount. But look onto the term RETURN ON INVESTMENT we will get our country future (students) to move fast in this era where every country are running and we are still walking toward development. One more thing its not practically possible that we can start using modern era equipment in every where of our developing country but we can start it with the hope that one day we will with modern era equipment in every school and colleges.

  • #245496
    @Sukhdev Singh Sir,
    I really don't intend to match my overall discussion onto the white board concept but I am saying to implement the things where it is required over the black board for the examples what I have mentioned. Not only those things but the things what the other members have discussed. I have also discussed about the power cut problem and have said that the teachers must not put the entire syllabus on this but they should by the side. I know the problems of several schools where the fees taken by them is relatively high compared to Government schools by saying techno schools, concept schools etc., where the money taken is far high. If they have introduced this system they would definitely charge the feed touching up to 1 lakh. So, black board teaching served by white board slides would be better and I go with this idea here on.
    @K Mohan Sir,
    The thing you mentioned that about by teaching with white board instead of traditional board would be in a manner of entertainment but truly it is not the case, the present children are ready to grasp the knowledge by visualizing and they get a grip on them. The matter that can be shown through drawing on the black board in a period that would range from 40 – 60 minutes is not enough. So, in those cases the slides on white board would serve the purpose. And see that I am not supporting the white board method of teaching but I say that to use both in the times of requirement. It is better to maintain the white board along with the black board and when time demands the teachers may use the respective one as required.
    @Ramakrishna Sir,
    Thank you for adding some more details to this discussion as you are a teacher and with your knowledge you have given out a fabulous idea that to use for revision purpose have mentioned that to use this concept for revision, I think this is the major use by this. As at the end though studying entire topic, these visuals would make the brain to store the memory and hence the matter can be created according to it in the exams of written type. But for competitive exam purpose I think it can be used as there would be no matter to be written and everything goes on the formula based concept.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #245499
    Prithvi please come with one support. Either black board method or through modern teaching aids.
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245501
    @Mr. Sukhdev Singh sir, In my opinion we can not sideline traditional blackboard method to white board. You are talking about white board also can be used like blackboard by the teacher. But the content what the best of the companies providing with lot of anomalies or insufficiency it makes the use of white board is a disadvantage for the teacher over traditional method. The students get confused with some additions and deletion of the content what it is provided. That is the reason in my previous thread I mentioned there is a lot of limitations in using white board. We can not expect subjects like Maths we can entirely depend on this method. I accept the various limitations you mentioned in your thread like electricity bill, affordability of many schools to implement this facility and power cut etc. Even those schools who are able to afford to use this facility like my school, a lot of limitations are there as I mentioned in the above threads. So in my opinion it is not easy to sideline traditional method at the cost of modern technology but we can use it as an assistance to traditional method.

  • #245514
    I strongly think that Modern Teaching Aids are better than Traditional blackboards.Technology plays an important role in learning as with modern teaching aids we can save the teaching aids while data in Traditional blackboards can not be saved for future use.We can easily visualize and heard sounds in Modern Teaching Aids while not in Traditional blackboards.

  • #245515
    @To everyone in the debate

    One point I want to make it clear when there are suggestions like that the managements should provide the infrastructure and meet the cost of the innovations. I fully agree with the view. But at the same time it must be realised that how many school management in India leaving a few corporate and international schools earn this much income as to spend on providing the smart board technology. There are cheap alternatives which I suggested in one of my resource articles on the same subject. This is I am telling the members not because of the theoretical study of the subject but I have practically made use of the white board and then found a cheap alternative which I am using in two of my schools. The advantage of the white board is only for its interactivity and the cost differential was very high for using this technology.

    So I found the via media as suggested by some of you especially my friend Nadeem Naqvi that we should use both the new technology as well as the traditional blackboard. Here goes my personal experience. I ordered a white board and agreed to buy it at a cost of Rs.76,000 when it came to supplying the same the supplier told that the board with the specifications was costing over Rs. One lakh. Perhaps God was on my side. I immediately cancelled the order thinking if the power goes off then how I am going to use the black board because the place on the wall will be occupied by the white board. My 5 KVA UPS also will not be able to support the running of the projector. If I ran the projector then the UPS will not support the 25 computers I use with it.

    So the alternative thought out was to buy 3 to 4 LCD TVs at the same cost and run my PowerPoint lessons through this. This system worked very well and presently I am using LCD TVs in classrooms which are attached to the computers along with the use of the traditional blackboards. Because of low consumption of electricity, these can be put on to inverters in case of power cuts. So the system is functioning very smoothly. I am attaching a snapshot of the one slide for stressing my point. This is to teach a biology lesson in the class X in my school which has a 42" Panasonic Plasma TV attached to the computer.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

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  • #245522
    @ Sri Sukhdev Singh's emphasis on the cost factor. I agree that cost and affordability is one deciding factor on adopting new technology.I have come through a government school. There was no mike system in our school. If the school had a sound system of its own, it was to help in many ways and also was cost effective from hiring the same for many school functions. When the Headmaster discussed about this matter, the Parent Teacher Association and the local trade association combined and donated a mike system to our school. The same was very helpful as it was used everyday in school assembly and prayer and for important announcements. To address a huge student group of about 1500 was thus made convenient. The school could save on sound system hiring and that money was used for some other purpose. Conducting a meting or programme became easy. Not only that, many senior students learned how to operate the system too.

    Cost factor cannot hide the merits of better aids. Just because there are many student who don't get primary education, others are not to be prevented from getting admission to Engineering or medicine. That will kill the whole development.

    Society, the school itself or government has to come with creative ideas to make it happen. It is not wrong if one buys only what is affordable to him. But that will not obviate the merits of technology.

    In my primary class the blackboard was a wooden plank supported by a tripod like support of three legs. But after a few years the school could make a wide board plastered and painted fixed permanently on the wall. It would have cost a little more, but it was more durable and easy to write on them and was visible from all corners of the class.

    Earlier we were wiping out the blackboard by a wet cloth. But afterwards, dusters made of cloth and then wooden dusters fixed with sponge. It was easy to have a grip and wiping off chalk was easier. A small technological advance, but more convenience, and hence adopted.

    So even without our knowledge we go on accepting adopting new and advanced technologies unmindful of cost wherever possible and useful.

    I shall come with more points in support and other perspectives in my next slot.

  • #245538
    In my opinion there is no need for the fancy technological equipments that are being used nowadays as against the traditional blackboards.

    Nowadays there is a trend of becoming more technological advanced and various means are used by the schools and colleges for the same. They want to show that they are serious about education of their students and want to help them to learn in a better and more efficient way.

    However the main motive turns out to be different. Some of the reasons could be-
    1. To lure the parents to admit their children in the school/college.
    2. To ask for more fees &/ donation as they are providing World class facilities

    If we check out the videos/ advertisements of any private MBA institute or school it is guaranteed that such advertisement will show these world class facilities.Higher education(or lets say education) is already costly in India and many bright students are unable to afford it. These facilities will turn out to be more liabilities than assets as the parents have to shell out hefty fees for it.

    In my opinion there is no need for fancy projectors in a classroom and the blackboard is very efficient for the teacher to put across his/her point. Learning must be a slow and interactive session and students benefit the most when the teacher explains the lesson in a step by step manner rather than putting forth the whole content in a power point.

    As pointed out by some of the members that certain diagrams/figure take long time for the teacher to draw in the class and this consumes a large portion of the class;however there are charts for the same purpose which teachers use sometimes when they feel that there may be time constraint. Also some diagrams need to be taught step by step and blackboards are just perfect for such a task.

    Also one more factor that I would like to put forward is that use of electronic screen, projectors etc. can cause eye problems as the fonts are usually very small and the students especially sitting at the last benches will have a great deal of trouble reading it. Also the rays emitted from such devices is not good for eyes at all. If these new technologies are used extensively then we can safely assume that the next generation will be fully bespectacled. (The same point can be safely used in case of white boards too as chalks produce a bigger font than a white board marker and it is hard to read the white board as it produces glare as reflection from light sources.)

    The implementation of these gadgets will impart an additional burden to the teachers as they will need to prepare power point slides for teaching in the class the following day. Now creating slides as easy as it seems consumes a great deal of time and teachers will suffer a lot due to it. Also the teachers who have little or no technical knowledge will find it harder to get used to it and it will be a real headache for them or in the worst scenario they may even loose their jobs.

    The black board has survived many centuries and this is a big proof of the credibility of this system.

    Renin

  • #245542
    @Venkiteswaran

    You have put across the evolution of present day blackboard and duster. Initially chalks used to produce lots of dust, then non dust chalks came into existence, then came colored chalks for better teaching, black boards became wider with facilities for graph plotting, geometrical instruments for black boards came,etc.
    But it was still the traditional blackboard; however nowadays technology has entered the classrooms and they are not an enhancement to the already existing method but a whole new different method.

    Whether the blackboard was mounted on the tripod or plastered, the duster was made of sponge or cloth, the way of using it was the same. There was no extra skill required on the part of the teacher for using the same which is not the case with the new teaching methods.

    Renin

  • #245563
    To all those members who are supporting the new method of teaching to pay the attention for just this one aspect.

    At any given time the village school can take a class under the tree, if not possible in a class room, with a black board hanged to it and the session can be started from instantly.

    Can this be possible with the modern techniques which requires lots of items and equipping which will be show put up.

    More over please watch the logo of this site which is based on the old gorukul style and the same applies even today.

    So i strongly recommend the old method of black board which is suited to vast country like India.

    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245572
    Hello Friends,
    I have came across both the methods of education and I would say that Modern method is definitely superior than the Traditional method i.e., Blackboards and Chalk Pieces. In the Tenth standard, We went through the full fledged projector maths classes for all the sections, and they used to teach lessons to all the classes of tenth, namely 3 sections. It would not be really possible to teach the same in the traditional method with more than 150 students. Hence I would say that to address or teach a huge assembly of students the projector and Power point presentation would be effective than that of the traditional method where a staff can handle only some 20 students at a time.

    Almost all in the discussion are placing the cost factor which is the only disadvantage but it is not going to be the same although in the years to come.

    @Renin
    We have come across the development in the educational sector from table top boards to blackboards on the wall the schools and colleges may use the blackboards with modern technologies like Graph, Geometric devices but the accuracy is always with the modern method where you just give the data to the spreadsheet only once and you get all the types of charts and graphs to support your answer. When There is a better option to do the same thing why not switch over from present o advanced.
    Already more schools are developed in the current scenario and lot of courses like Business English have entered India which is fully based on modern technology and the technology is developing in a rapid rate and other countries are bit farther than us and are using on-line classes where the students can learn from where ever they are and can directly interact with the staff and ask question by stopping him anywhere.

    Now a days lot of them are complaining that the migration level has gradually increased resulting in many of them seeking education abroad due to the latest technology and if we ourself tend to have the advancement the students would not go out and India would be a powerhouse full of intelligent students arising within.

    @Mohan Sir,
    There is nothing wrong for the students to take the education as the entertainment, This will engage and attract the students more towards the subjects and most of the schools especially the primary schools are already making these types of education and are stating them to be effective and to say you have forgotten the modern day children's as you yourself said in the thread formed by you that a 6 or 7 year child had the ability to protect the train from a major accident that protected many lives together and the students of now a days are not specialist in cartoon alone and are also good in updating themselves.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

    "The greatest achievement comes from the biggest challenges"

  • #245597
    @ Renin
    I don't agree with your view that the fonts used are very small and they are not visible to the students sitting at the last benches. When we make PowerPoint slides, we can make the fonts looks as larger as we want and we are practically using these techniques in our class rooms with projectors and LCD TVs attached to the computers. One has to turn the lessons into PowerPoint slides, then the text displayed either on the projector screen or even on a 32" LCD TV screen attached to a CPU will be quite large and it can be clearly seen by a student sitting even at the last bench. The display on the TV panel is much brighter and colourful than seen on the projector screen. Secondly, the LCD TV and the computer CPU will cost less and daily running expenses will also be quite less than an overhead projector. A computer CPU and an LCD TV can be run by using low capacity inverters or UPS when there is a power cut but it is not possible with the overhead projector since the projector consumes no less than 300 watts of electric power.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

  • #245601
    Sudhan born in intelligent quality and imparting education through modern methods are different. You cannot compare. May be the boy who stopped the train with his vigil also had his education through the classical old method because he hails from the village ?
    K Mohan
    'Idhuvum Kadandhu Pogum "
    Even this challenging situation would ease

  • #245618
    @Renin Sir,
    I do not go with your thought that that, in the developing stage of India, even this can also be considered as development in educational system. Primarily, the change may be look like this of having problems but after when the educational teaching staff become experienced it would be the only easiest way of teaching unlike the present method. Moreover you mentioned that it would be a eye strain to the students in this world where the life i running on multimedia, every of the student makes his eye to strain for entertainment purpose, without this there would be no wrong in engaging the eyes for education that develops the knowledge. At present the white board is made available with a hard transparent sheet with glare coating on it, it doesn't cost too much while compared to the equipment, and this could serve the problem when implemented.
    @Sudhan,
    I agree with your idea that the power point slides can serve the students well, this is because as though it may be partially useful for lower age classes but is is very important at the time of 10th standard and higher levels where there would be huge potion to be covered, explained, notes must be given, revision must take place, in these times there projectors are the things that are helpful.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #245619
    @K Mohan Sir,
    The present topic as discussed is the useful ways with the latest techniques and the problems of-course prevail in it as it is related with cost matter. So, the idea of this white board would be useful for those schools which already have a well developed furniture, traditional board etc., for them it is easy to implement this new idea. But for the village schools which are suffering from a proper room will try to acquire the minimum facilities to students and they don't think of these new facilities at that time. So, by saying this problem we cannot eradicate this idea in the places where it can be made possible.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #245631
    @ Mr. Sudhan as you are arguing modern technology allows to deal with more number of students at a time than traditional method. If that is the case, many schools and colleges through out India who can afford such facility can easily turn to that method to reduce the expenditure of paying salaries to the teachers. In the past we have seen with the introduction of computers in companies like Banks there was a drastic reduction of work force in offices. But we never find such a trend in educational field. But we are seeing as the the strength of an institution increasing the recruitment of teaching staff also increasing to satisfy the needs of the students even though the institutions are well equipped with modern technology. This is one of the proof for modern technology cannot sideline traditional methods. In one of the previous threads @Renin rightly said Blackboard survived many centuries and this we can attribute to the credibility of this system. So, in my opinion modern technology cannot sideline or replace traditional methods completely perhaps it may assist or enhance its credibility.

    Some other members in the previous threads have expressed it is difficult for teachers to use modern technology. Teachers are well educated persons and if they were given few days training in using modern equipment there may not be any problem with it. In my opinion the real problem is there are so many limitations in using this technology over traditional methods as I discussed above in my previous threads.

  • #245648
    @Mohan,
    Sir, It was the reply for your thread which stated that students will take education as entertainment and will expect cartoon channels in modern methods o teaching for which I stated the boy, who protected more people from accidents to explain now a days children's are different.

    @Ramakrishna Kambhampati,
    There is a vast development in all the other field other than education and why cant we go for better educational system that that of the previous one. Even If there is newer technology there should be a staff to handle the technology and hence I don't think there would be a reduction in the recruitment process. In all the foreign nations like USA modern technology is used and does that mean there is no staff in the colleges and their universities are ranked top among the universities of the world.

    If in the top 200 universities ranking, USA has managed to get more than 110 universities in the list and India have not managed to get even one, then where is the lack or difference and I think technology plays a vital role and it is essential for us to get an improvement in technology and have our universities placed one amongst the top universities in the world.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

    "The greatest achievement comes from the biggest challenges"

  • #245656
    Dear All,
    In my opinion the modern method of (using digital board, projectors, laptops, Net school soft ware) is very effective in classroom teaching. I say this because the students show more interest towards this more than that of traditional method of using black board system. In my experience the students were able to visualize what is being taught. In this system we can stringently use the resource. three dimensional effect helps them to understand better. The wonderful interactive system keep the students active for the whole class time. On the top it makes them self depended. The only thing the teacher has to do is he has to prepared for the uncertainties. If a teacher has good understanding of his students and he prepared for uncertainties this he can make his class more easy and effective. You can save all the material prepared in electronically for the further use.

    Vidyanand C C


    Knowledge grows on sharing.

  • #245657
    Being brought up through the traditional blackboard system, I still consider it better than the modern methods like overhead projectors or slides. There's a lack of connectivity between teacher and student in this new system. There's no time to jot down what's being displayed on the screen and the teachers want to get through with the work as soon as possible. Also it makes the class a bit more monotonic. You don't get a chance to really see the theatrics which a good teacher can provide that's not only innovative but also fun to watch. Not to mention the boredom that seeps in once you find out that there's nothing new being taught other than reading out what's being displayed. What will I do with a projector when I have to teach the students a lesson in history? Show them a movie of bhagat singh ? No right. It should come from a passionate teacher who could elevate the student from a classroom environment to the imaginative realms of the beyond. I can still remember the passion,the energy with which "the jallianwala bagh massacre" was taught by our madam. Can we get that same feeling when its being presented onto a screen with some neatly edited photo shots?

    Our imagination runs rot once we are stuck to watching the world with our eyes and not our minds. Its even more disturbing when it is implemented at a nursery level. It plays havoc with the kid's imaginative skills. What am I going to do with a slide show for teaching the class about "the road not taken" by robert frost? It has got everything to do with the imagination skills. Its the beauty which is to be recognized.

    Sadly,people don't seem to understand that. When a student is watching something flashy, the mind runs at an accelerated pace leaving little room for imaginative skills. And once the pace slows down,they start suffering from boredom and inactivity. There's no doubt a video or a slide-slow can be more effective to transfer a message from a teacher to a student, but keeping that to a minimum is what is essentially good for the students. Like if there's a class on geography about various land-forms,it may be tough to get a grasp of how it's really like being there. So a class a week can be put aside for some field trip or may be for a video show which gives a better perspective into the subject.

  • #245671
    Modern teaching aids are good for the students as they help in knowledge building, they are time-saving, being more receptive and colourful they help in concentration and learning. It decreases the monotony of the student and teacher.

  • #245701
    Sudhan
    No doubt the new technologies are providing a plethora of options for the teachers to use and teach in the classes, but I don't think there is any need for any such features as the syllabus is not so much complicated that we need to restore to the modern technologies. A simple blackboard is enough for the teachers to explain what they want to. Also the facilities provided by the new technologies will create more confusion for both the teachers and the students. Also as I have explained earlier the teachers will need to adjust to it.

    @Sukhdev
    No doubt that we can increase the fonts in the power point slides, however the letters formed are not as distinct as the conventional blackboard and also the glare factor makes it harder for the eye muscles to adjust to. Watching TV or Computer screen for too long is not advisable and so is the case with these projectors or LCD, TFT, LED, OLED or whatever screens.

    @Prithvi
    (No need for the sir.) It depends on a person if he wants to watch computer or TV for entertainment purpose as it is his/her choice and there is no compulsion for it. However in the case of teaching the same cannot be said, as learning in the classrooms is an essential part in the development of a person. Just imagine what will be the scenario if such techniques are implemented in large scale. The whole day we will be staring at these screens which emit rays that are harmful for the eyes. NO doubt there are various technologies that claim that the glare or other such rays are reduced, but they get reduced to only a small extent and they are more or less a way to sell their products.

    Renin

  • #245717
    In my point of view audio visual teachings and presentations are good for technology subjects, but to implement the complex subjects like Maths we have to use traditional black boards. By writing on black boards will be able to understand the most complex subjects and at the same time it is also a time consuming process. When presenting through projectors it will save your time and effort. We will be able to point out the things in simple and most convenient way. For seminars and group discussions presentations are really a good thing to implement. Many colleges and corporate companies are implementing most modern methods like presentations and it will save their time and effort. The complex subjects like Electronics circuit diagram can be drawn on a black board to understand how it works. Maths is another subject which we can't put in presentations. Iam concluding that all teachings need preparation and at the same time implement it in a good way, so that students can understand what they are teaching whether it be traditional blackboard or presentations.
    "Earning knowledge is by sharing it with ISC and we will rectify our mistakes."

  • #245727
    Hello all,
    The vital role of modern teaching aids and audio visual technique is not overstated in view of today's world. However, it have profoundly influenced the course of students civilization in the past few years. It has provided us remarkable insights into the world we live in.The scientific revolutions of the 20th century have led to many technologies, which promise to herald wholly new eras in many fields such as Education etc. As we stand today at the beginning of a new century, we have to ensure fullest use of these developments for the well being of students and ultimately for our country. Moreover children learn more by actually seeing the concepts on projectors. In this way they increase their conversational practice too.

    Vikas Srivastava
    "Rise and Shine"-Each day and night.

  • #245747
    @Vikas
    It is true that the technology has brought about a change in the world, but overuse of technology is also not advisable. As there are already quite efficient methods used for teaching, there is no need for the new technologies to enter the classrooms. Traditionally too teachers used methods to impart a better understanding to the students by taking them for educational tours, charts were used to explain things/concepts etc.
    Also please elaborate more on the conversational practice as you have mentioned.

    @All

    Teachers nowadays are just loading a diagram on the powerpoint and just pointing on the lines and show how to make the diagrams. However it is more beneficial when they step by step make the same on the blackboard where students are able to better grasp the concepts as the teacher explains every step for it and also student have an idea on how to start with making the diagram and what techniques to use.

    Although the new technology saves time, but we need the time for better understanding. There is no use in completing the whole syllabus in one day if the students are unable to understand the concept. It is better to teach one topic a day and it gives the students ample time to learn it in the class as well as revise at home.

    Renin

  • #245754
    In my view the modern writing boards are good. In todays time when there is a competition among the counteries about developing technology, it becomes neccessary to teach our students with latest technology , so that they are never lag behind with students of modern counteries. I am saying this because when we use traditional blackboards the teacher teaches what written in the book. As we know that book are always not updated and hence we get the knowledge which is very old. Even if the book is updated , there is a need to give additional information to the students.

    By using these modern techinques of teching like projectors and other things we are making the the teaching more user friendly and also we are making the education more interesting. There are many situations when a teacher feels helplesness while explaining a topic. For instance if a teacher has to expalin how bycycle moves , so he wan't be able to draw that bycyle on the board. If he uses the video or any animation of bycycle then surely he will be able to make that thing understand.

    For teaching small children which require lot of hard work because everything is new for them. Now if we use the modern methods then we can give them exact thing what we want to give and also they will enjoy it. As we know that if base is strong then only then building is strong. So making concept clear at the begining will help them life time.

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  • #245760
    Hi Guys,

    One can say that "Smart Classes" are the new face of classroom education. Actually it is much better compared to the "Old and boring" black boards(beleave me, i was a student).

    In those "not so old" days of my schooling, my teachers also used to dictate and write the boring derivations on the board and explane them to us.(I bow to the great pain they took to educate us which has taken us into our current educational standards)

    But today with the introduction on "Digital Boards" (Smart classes), the work has very much decreased and has become very easy. The topics are explained to the students by visual means which is indeed helps them remember better.

    So, my point is that our government should provide as many schools as possible with "smart classes" which will in turn increase the educational standards of the up coming generation.

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #245761
    @Renin (Editor)

    What you are stating is true, but only to some extend.

    Let me ask you one thing, i assume that you must have watched the movie "Harry Potter". Now have you read any book corresponding to the same film you watched ?

    If yes, then which incidents do you think you remember the most. That is, the ones from the book or those form the film..??
    I am absolutely sure your answer will be the "film". Its because visual learning is much more "exciting" and "interesting" than any other methods.

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #245763
    Yes it is true that earlier teacher were doing lot of hard work to make people understand that topic. But we know that developments are done to save time and give better output. Now take example of my only, I am mechanical engineering student and I have internal combustion engine as a subject. Now understanding the I.C engine is little bit complex. Now even if the professors want to explain that with chart he won't be able to do that because there are so many live process involved in the engine. The same thing if explained with help of animation will make subject easier and interesting too. I have seen that people are attending the classes more when animation or any aid is used to explain the topic. I am not saying the traditional should completely die out but in order to make most of it, we have to merge it with modern techniques. What is the use of so much sophisticated technologies if we are not able to provide best education and clear concepts to our stuents?
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  • #245765
    @ all

    Most of us who are here have studied from the traditional boards and we love to see them go on and on. But I understand the importance of these modern technologies when I came in my graduation. Being mechanical engineering student, some of the topic were not taught that good because professors were having problem in drawing the 3D drawing of the topic and there were so many 3D drawings. But when college professors switched to the projectors, then everything was as clear as water. Yes the traditional blackboards had their essence but we have to accept this fact that the best knowledge can only be given with the help modern methods.

    A modern method in turn reduces the stress on the professors and teachers and hence they explain everything more well the any other means. The extra time they get, they use it to provide extra knowledge on that topic which is not available in the books. It is quit known fact that we should study but study in a smarter way. Hard work is also important but if hard work is mixed with smart work then rate of success increases.

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  • #245767
    In my point of view both traditional black boards and modern teaching aids (ppt) have their importance. Different subjects have need to understand with different ways. Some subjects are good to understand on ppt, because it shows the different point at on slides. Subjects are like Botony, Zoology, Chemistry, Physics are better ways to understand and explaination on ppt. Example diagram of any body part of human ( in Botony subject ) is very easy to explain and show on ppt. Where on traditional blackboards it takes maximum time to draw and to explain. So these types of subjects student can understand easily on ppt. Same thing is applicable on language subjects like English, Hindi etc these are easy to explain on ppt. But student will loss the writing skill, they will not understand way of writing. So tradition blackboards are acceptable and preferable at this time where student will know the way of writing. Only technical subjects are good to explain on ppt other than traditional blackboards are best.

    In other hand ppt and etc are costly equipments rather than blackboards. India is not developed country, it is developing and maximum peoples are living in villages and maximum schools have traditional blackboards. They can not afford projectors etc due to its high cost, and where in villages electricity is one of the main big problem nowadays. B-schools, Technical colleges and some school of urban area are adopted this technology already.

    Ppt and projectors are harmful for children because it emits harmful rays. It is one of the demerits of of modern teaching aids.

    Regards,
    Nazim.

    "If life is the Game, then I will Play for it"

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    Life is single, live it full.

  • #245769

    "If life is the Game, then I will Play for it"

  • #245771
    I think traditional blackboards are still better than the modern methods.
    Being a chemistry student I feel it easy to understand the chemical reactions when a teacher writes it over the blackboard as it gives me clear idea how to use proper bonds and arrows.
    Also, teaching through traditional system looks interactive as whatever teacher teaches he writes it simultaneously on the blackboard whereas in modern system teacher has to just explain what is already prepared, it looks like taking a reading from the book which can develop boredom in the student.
    Teaching through traditional blackboards also enhances the alertness and involvement in the students as teachers have a habit to ask any student to stand up in the class and solve particular problem on the blackboard.
    Last point in the favour of traditional blackboard is the cost factor as traditional blackboard are far cheaper than modern ones.

    Few words from heart

  • #245773
    I think both are equally useful to the students. Modern technology can bring change in class rooms. These can bring unlimited knowledge to a small class room. Powerpoint slides can help students to understand easily but they will limited their thinking and imagination power. These instruments can support to learn but not a totally replacement of traditional black boards. Teachers can use these technologies to give a perfect and brief explanations to students and students can use these as a reference but not like their textbook. One small thing in foreign countries where every students are using laptops and modern instruments are not able to perform written examinations. Because lack of practice. They use modern technology to understand and feel everything over. But lack of practice and they are unable to perform. Similarly we can show, what is the diagram of a nuclear reactor more perfectly to the students by powerpoint slides. But how can they learn how to draw it if we would not draw it on the blackboard. They can remember the diagram but lack of practice they may not able deliver the same in the examination.
    Thanks and regards,
    Vicky

  • #245776
    @Linu
    You are right in pointing out that one will remember the visual mode better but the topic is going a bit offtrack.
    No doubt people will be more interested in the movies rather than reading the books. But the content in the movie is only a small portion of the book as it is difficult to cover the entire book word by word and may take years for the same. In other words the medium(movie here) is just capable enough to bring out the main points of the books rather than explaining the book/ bringing out the literary beauty.
    The person who watched the movie will remember some scenes of the movie and may get the plot/story; however reading books will develop imagination skills, patience, better and indepth understanding of the subject etc. This is also one of the places where media and technology has interfered with and is causing problems as people are no more interested in reading books and is a cause of worry.

    The new technologies are no doubt eye catching and evoke interest in them, but the interest will eventually die down. Also it is not as efficient as the traditional way of teaching(viz. Blackboards).

    Also the hassles associated are many fold as electricity is a major requirement and power cuts will mean a class off. Also electronic equipment are not known for their reliability and may get broken down every now and then and the maintenance of these equipment will create another headache to the teachers.

    Renin

  • #245777
    Hello Everybody,
    We can see it from two different angle. One from Students point of view i.e. learner and other is from Teacher point of view i.e. contributor. Thus i just see that modern technology gives very much relaxation and convenience to the teacher to let them explain their words. Same time blackboard system is of course very much useful and good tactics for students to grab the knowledge or concepts.

    So i think i am right to say that blackboard gives us very explained and easy learning. But modern technology gives very much comfort and ease to the presenter. There is a chance that many people may not be clear about the content when they attend class or seminar with modern technology. I think blackboard is something where we can irritate as many time as we want to see the concept and explanation. Though modern technology is preferred everywhere but we can no ignore the fact that blackboard has very nice impact on the human mind. It seems real and very handy or practical to learn on blackboard. But i think after using modern technology the class remains theoretical only.

    Regards,
    G1

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  • #245780
    @Vicky

    Dear friend,

    The students are suppose to do the same thing they were doing before("copying down the diagrams from the black board in to their notebooks").

    So there is no question regarding learning how to draw. After all we are taking about mature "students", and i don't think that one need to teach a student how to "copy" a diagram (no offense)...!!

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #245781
    @ aman

    What you said was right but if those reactions are explained with help of the animations and real time videos about the reactions, then you will never forgets that concept in your life. Human brain keeps the pictures and motion pictures for many years as compared other things. I have experienced that these modern ways of teachings last long in mind as compared to black board. This also helps us to tech somebody who is junior to us. Hence the knowledge is spreaded all around with help of technology.

    Take the example of tablet launched by government. Students can upload there book in it and they can open it and start studying at where when there is time. So in practical approach this is quite beneficial because you not need to carry that bully book all around.

    But one thing which is to be noted that when we are giving these gadgets to our students then we should make sure that the students are not misusing it and are totally wasting their whole time in unnecessary things.

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  • #245784
    @Renin

    Leave the movie, i was just trying to co-relate it. But i will tell you something from my experience.

    When i was studying in 2nd or 3rd i guess, my science teacher was taking class about our solar system. Honestly, i had a million doubts about the topic an i was wondering "What the hell" when he kept on repeatedly saying "JUST IMAGINE THAT"....

    But now my old school has introduced "smart class" and i was taken away when i saw how the "same concepts" were being explained to the students currently, when i had visited for the last time.

    So what i am trying to tell is that the old statement
    "JUST IMAGINE THAT" is now slowly being replaced by
    "SEE FOR YOURSELVES"...!!!

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #245787
    @Mr. Linu Chackos in his previous thread compared movie to visual teaching. A very dull student after watching a movie will explain the entire story without leaving a small bit nicely to his friends. But a visual topic shown in the same way to the same student can not answer properly to the questions put to him? Then how can you analyse this difference.

  • #245791
    @ashkush
    I do favour what you said but what was my point was that by teaching through videos and animation you can remember the concept but through traditional boards you feel more interactive as teacher draws it in front of you every single bond and gives you a clear idea of how actualy the reaction proceeds?
    Suppose while teaching a new idea comes in the mind of teacher then he cant modìfy it in presentation while in blackboard he can do it as many times he wants.
    And for learning a chemical structure its not the animation or video which helps him to learn but its the structure drawn by himself after watching the teacher live how he is drawing?
    A student can watch a video or animation by his own then what will be the need of a classroom or teacher?

    Few words from heart

  • #245806
    As a matter of fact, the traditional blackboard and chalk crayons cannot hold a candle against the hi-tech teaching aid projectors or even white-board and erasable marker pens for that matter. Modern teaching aids like the ones mentioned does have their own flaws as well as plus points.

    Projectors and powerpoint presentations are superior in a sense that, they make demonstrations and giving notes much easier - as easy as clicking the mouse, literally. With their introduction in the classrooms, the strenuous task of scribbling on the blackboard has been done away. To cite an example, during my schooldays, I've observed some of my teachers resorting to give us notes through oral dictation instead of straining their eyes and arms on the blackboard. Modern classroom equipment renovation has done away with this. This saves a lot of time as well as conserves the energy of the teacher. Use of blackboard and chalk crayons, in addition also pose a threat to the respiratory complications. Although chalks are regarded as non-toxic, the runaway particles while wiping them off the blackboard can accumulate in our respiratory tracts and prove harmful or even to the point of being lethal in some cases. The upgraded apparatuses has made our classrooms safer and cleaner. Even the teachers need not bother about leaving the school with chalk dust on their clothes.

    The de-merits of modern classroom equipments, foremost of all, is that, they are expensive. Not every school can have the budget to procure these. This case is prevalent in the rural areas. Although, both urban and rural schools study the same syllabus, the rural counterpart cannot be expected to keep pace with the urban institutions. This results in disparity.
    They get inconvenient and cumbersome considering the fact that, in order to give a hassle free lecture the next day, the teacher needs to do a 'hard' homework at home. In addition to preparing the teaching materials, he/she is required digitize it. A prior powerpoint or flash presentation needs to be prepared. This means more than a working knowledge of computers is demanded from the teacher. Another, wet-blanket area of modern equipments is the fact that, they are as good as the classroom's dust-bin contents in the absence of proper power supply. They are resource consuming and demands frequent tweakings and maintenance jobs to keep them in working conditions. In the case of white boards, the only drawback is that the strenuous exercise of painstakingly scribbling on the board and wiping them off afterwards is still present (and very much required).

    But at the end of the day, as stated above, the most preferred mode of imparting knowledge as far as equipments and props are concerned, are those modern amenities. To sum up, modern projectors and white boards are to the traditional blackboard in the way modern SUVs are to the General Purpose Vehicle (JEEP).

    "Give the world the best you have, and the best will come back to you"

  • #245819
    @ Ramkrishna and Aman

    First of ramkrishan sir, what is you said may be right but i have seen kids explaining the topic when they see it in cartoon or any animation shown to you. They can be taught better by cartoon hero which is always good. If he says that if you don't brush your teeth before going to the bed then monster will attack your teeth. This is just example for elementary knowledge.

    Now take the example of graduation level, although at this stage our mind is developed fully but still imagination power is limited. Now take very small example like, the propulsion of rocket, the students will remember the formula and other derivations involved in it but he won't know the true concept behind. I have seen that many students are very good at understanding the formula but when it comes to the application of that then they are nowhere. So my prime concern is to merge the traditional board with modern technologies. If teacher feels that particular topic should told on the board then he may use and if need use of modern then he can use them also.

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  • #245822
    @ Linu

    All the world is in front of us as a matter of fact. As you have pointed out, when the teacher asked you to imagine you did put pressure on your mind and tried to fathom how the solar system was, you had many ideas and thoughts about the solar system, you might have asked various doubts from the teacher and concentrated on each and every word to grasp the meaning of solar system.
    Whereas when the new techniques are used, the whole solar system may be shown to you via a video but you might not be so curious as everything is in front of you. You will only try to remember what you are seeing rather than brainstorming about the various questions and doubts. Education is a thinking process and not a visual process.

    Renin

  • #245826
    Bru
    I disagree to the statement(fact as you insist) that blackboards cannot hold a candle against the modern techniques. Rather it is the blackboards which are holding the candle as when the electricity is gone, the modern techniques will render useless while the one learning with the blackboard can still continue with the help of a candle.

    Also it's harder to use the new techniques than blackboards opposite to what you have pointed out. It takes a great deal of work to use the power point to make a slide. Drawing diagrams is a headache and it takes a great deal of time for the same. Also installation, connection, operation of projectors etc. take time and only then you can enjoy the luxury of clicking the mouse.

    Jeep may seem old fashioned but they can drive in every terrain possible whereas the modern SUVs are just show offs. Army uses Jeep for a reason.

    Renin

  • #245834
    Its not a problem that India is poor or developing country. Every country will approach to new techniques and use new technological aspects to improve education system.

    Here we need to discuss some merits and demerits of new technology and traditional system.

    Merits of modern teaching aids:
    1. It is helpful to teach easily through PowerPoint presentation etc;
    2. It is helpful to grasp and understand the things to students. Virtual media should lead to a new aspect of learning.
    3. Graphical representation or other moving slides should help to penetrate to mind and get attention from students than traditional media.
    4. Animation can influence than other communication in classroom. There should need more clarification on physics and chemistry – there should more experiments to do. The experimental procedure can explicit through animation and it will grasp by students more easily.
    5. in short, it is more informative and explanatory and clearer than traditional class room.

    Our classrooms are changing, at present virtual classrooms are running. It is more acceptable than normal PowerPoint presentation or other.
    It is acceptable through:
    - Provide "anywhere learning". I.e. no geographical barriers, can learn lesson from anywhere through online.
    - Session can record and replay later.
    - Internet connectivity provide to a wide access of knowledge and doubt clearance
    - There is also possible to interact with online teachers by one to one communication like in traditional classrooms.

    De merits of modern teaching aids and importance of traditional classroom

    1. Modern techniques can't apply in lower level classes. There need blackboards and student need to learn how the writing process works?
    2. Can't solve big mathematical problems, there need to write and explain, it is helpful than presentation and easy to grasp for students.
    3. The mutual interaction between teacher and student decreases. Teacher influences in a student to make and develop his personality and behavior. Traditional classrooms build up on affection; there take place one to one communication more and more.

    In general, we need our traditional blackboard and the new techniques.

    Here is new thread, teachers are more important to a student to form and build their behavior. Contribute your valuable thoughts there.

  • #245835
    The discussion has gone very far with a lot of participation that Vandana Madam will be feeling of lot of pleasure that the topic given by her has attracted a large and spontaneous responses from the members.

    Now it has become difficult to address individual members of the discussion group. Still I want to bring the following points into the discussion:

    (a) To those who say that the new technology will effect the eyes of the children, I would like to say that even without the use of the modern technology in the schools, the children watch the TV almost every day at home.

    (b) The text and graphics as seen on computer and TV used is much better displayed than on the blackboard and think of the time saved in presenting them.

    (c) I am not against the white board per se, but only suggest that we should not go blindly for the technology if we cannot afford it and instead look for some cheap alternatives.

    (d) We have to come out of the traditional methods of teaching and introduce innovations wherever possible.

    (e) I give here the picture of a class room where the modern technology has been used along with the traditional blackboard but without the interactive white board. The PowerPoint slides for teaching have been developed in the school itself. The average fees charged by this school is not more than Rs.500 per child.

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  • #245845
    @ Sukhdevji

    1. Children watch TV at home, play games at computer and these are a major concern as they cause eye problems and it is the parents responsibility for checking the same. Now if these techniques are used in the school,then who will be responsible for it?
    For health reasons it is advisable to take constant breaks from watching TV and computer screen, if children are taught the whole day using these techniques then their eyes will not get time to recover from the strain and hence the vision problems.

    2. I disagree that the fonts are better in screens. Even when you look in the computer screen and read the fonts, they are not as distinct as a mark on the blackboard with the good old chalk.

    The picture you attached of course is appealing and many parents will blindly try to get their wards admission to such schools. But it is so because the school is attracting parents by trying to prove themselves as world class schools. Also the schools fees depends and one cannot generalize that they will charge only 500 extra from a student.

    Renin

  • #245854
    @Ramakrishna Kambhampati

    Sir,

    When i told "movie", i was trying to co-relate it with visual education. But what you are saying may not be true in all cases. There may be some students who are by the way you explained because they lack the "interest in studies" but please do understand that all students are not the same.

    Regards,
    x'jen

    Regards

  • #245855
    @ Askush

    It is true that in the technical line it is sometimes difficult to explain things just on the black board. For a mechanical engineering teacher it is hard to demonstrate 3 D diagrams and such technologies become indispensable. It is even more required for the computer engineering students as, well blackboards cannot execute program. However they are some of the exceptional cases and colleges have computers in the laboratories, have presentation rooms where these topics can be dealt in detail. However in the classroom, it is better to use the blackboards as one can understand the methods used for drawing the diagrams correctly and with explanation.

    Renin

  • #245867
    @Renin

    When you conciser a class, its a "mix" of all kind of students. What i mean to say is it may contain "extraordinary" students, brilliant ones, the ones who "think out of the box" etc...

    But there is a category about whom we always forget, the ones "who lack thinking capacity" or in simple words, the "not so brilliant students". Often teachers struggle a lot to make them understand the concepts what they are teaching to the class.

    So, what i suggest is by providing them an extra help through these new and improved facilities, you "may be" able to bring them along with the other students.


    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #245871
    @Askush


    Yes friend, the idea you are putting forward is totally acceptable..!!
    I agree completely.

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #245880
    @Renin,
    This is response to the one that you mentioned about the idea on the eye effect; Just think over that if the change in the telephonic communication when initially known that the signals will have effect on the human brains, it is implemented over the land line phones and this made the world to run on hands. This is the major example in the destruction process and the present topic about the effect on the eyes would not be so great over this when we consider about the useful results that is got by implementing it. I have just mentioned this as the example to just explain you and have not deviated from the topic.
    The other thing is that how can the whole day run on only teaching, for sometime in a period (especially in schools) the teacher teaches the lesson and then she dictates the notes. It is wrong that the white board is used for the whole day, there would be studying hours also. I am mentioning all this to say that the entire school living would not be filled up with watching the slides but in the time of explanation only it would serve.
    Instead of saying that the eyes are effected, the powerpoint slides can be made in the manner of representing the black board like on the black screen every of the picture can be made view-able through white lines in writing purpose and in showing the pictures light colors can be used behind, with which there would be less harm to eyes also.

    @Suhad,
    How can you say that the lower level children cannot make use of this slides as for the lower class children for writing alphabets by giving examples of birds, animals, fruits etc., cannot be drawn and shown for every letter. Though some of them are given as examples in textbook but by allowing the small kids to make view other examples would make them to see the common thing among them and try to remember. It is not that only higher education students can be benefited but for every one of them this is useful. The last de-merit was that the decrease in teacher student interaction, this cannot be true as by just these slides, the students cannot understand completely but a teacher must be present to give guidance by the coming visuals and I say that in this case only the interaction becomes more as the teacher can walk all round the class and help the students by pausing the slides for sometime unlike the teacher standing in the front and the last bench seated children not in the view of teacher. In this case the teacher can go and watch what the last child is doing also but if it is done in the traditional teaching the class would be disturbed and the concentration of the other children may be distracted.
    So, there are de-merits by using this modern techniques but not those which you mentioned.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #245883
    @ Renin I do agree with you on the 'candle matter', as I'm not totally against the blackboard. Yes sure, in terms of the effort one needs to put in for a decent presentation via technology, it sure is strenuous and demanding. But blackboards though handy to use cannot carry out complex functions like topic transitions and display in a flash. In cannot hope to be as effective and as those projectors with a blackboard and a chalk crayon.
    Coming to the statement, "Jeep may seem old fashioned but they can drive in every terrain possible whereas the modern SUVs are just show offs. Army uses Jeep for a reason", did you take into account the amount of fuel they consume, or the mileage it gives per litre to be precise. The same applies to a blackboard. Consider the physical exertion one gives to give a decent learning presentation. Modern apparatuses may look fragile but when it comes to efficiency and precision they go unsurpassed. Okay, let's equate our blackboard to an Abacus, and modern learning systems to a computer, or a calculator atleast. Now , I hope you know what I was driving at in the first place.

    "Give the world the best you have, and the best will come back to you"

  • #245893
    @Linu sir,
    I understand your point but I am not agree to that we should totally depend on this technology other than teacher. If the teacher himself draw the diagram and show the easy tricks and how to label it then it is more benefit for students. In fact I am not opposing the use of modern technology. In my view these should be used as for reference but not replacement of blackboard in a class room. Once the teachers get habituated with such instruments then they may not able explain without these.
    When we are talking about this then I think we are talking about all the students. Those who are in rural areas does it possible to get this. Who will spent money for these? When they are unable to get continues electricity then how does it possible to them.

    Thanks and regards,
    Vicky

  • #245901
    Please have a look at the screen shot of the PowerPoint I made for the KG children. The shot is taken from a 22" computer monitor. I took the help of the Kaun Banega Crorepati format to make it interesting for the students to learn. This is on a 22" screen. You can imagine the clarity and size of the fonts when seen on a big screen, for example a 32" TV screen. If we use the projector screen of 6x4', then these will look very large but the quality of the colours and brightness will not be the same as seen in computer monitor or a TV display panel. This is to remove the doubts about the clarity and the size of the fonts.

    I have made thousands of teaching and game PowerPoint slides for teaching students from LKG to X class and have a first hand experience of using the same in the class rooms.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
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  • #245926
    @Linu
    Very much everyone in a class can think, it is just that they are unable to apply the thinking in the right direction. The new techniques may initially attract the attention of the students who have no or little interest in the classes, but soon the hype will go down. It is actually the responsibility of teacher to make the interaction session interesting and informative for the students. Some students struggle with certain subjects(the 'lack thinking capacity' as you have put) but they do pretty good in other subjects where the teacher knows how to command attention from the students. In this case blackboards will prove to be more efficient as teaching through blackboards is slow and will be perfect for the slow learners as compared to power point presentation where the teacher will rush through the topics.

    @Bru
    I don't feel that writing on the blackboards with a chalk demands that much of physical effort. It may be for lazy type of teachers who have no interest in teaching the students, but do they really deserve to be teachers then?

    Also if you give a student of class1(lets say) a calculator, he will never try to by heart the multiplication tables. I have seen people who held calculator from childhood who in college need calculator for 100/10=?.

    Renin

  • #245928
    @ Prithvi
    Some concepts bring about a revolution whereas some create havoc. It totally depends and as such it is hard to know in the initial stages. All we can do is to count the pros and cons and based on it plan on implementing it.

    In the advent thought the new techniques may be used for a period or so, lets say, but once implied the teachers will start to use these techniques in every possible opportunity and each and every period whether it is required or not.
    Our eye muscles need relaxation after concentrating on the screen and children will be devoid of any such compensation time.
    If the slides are made to resemble a blackboard, with the background black and letters white, then my question is what is the need for the power point presentation instead of the blackboard any ways.

    A teacher can call up a student on the black board and ask him to solve certain problems or ask him to draw a diagram. This is an essential step for proper understanding. However in the case of Power point one doesn't have this facility.

    @Sukhdevji
    I agree that we can increase the font and lets say it is as distinct as the ones in the blackboard. However the glare and radiation factor are still there. Students especially the young ones will suffer from eye fatigue and may have to resort to use spectacles at a very young age.

    Renin

  • #245934
    @ Renin,
    I would say that the blackboards too had the same defects of eye problem, when the strength of the class is more The students of the last bench finds it hard to capture the words in the Blackboard and hence copies the content from his neighbour's book and it is usually happening.
    I have used the projectors and know that the projectors can be fixed in such a manner that they are clear even to the large crowd of people. For example, There are various inter college management meets and competitions where presentation has to be taken by the staffs and students and here the LCD projectors are used and not the Blackboards, If Blackboards are superior to Projectors why cant they use the Blackboards for Competitions?

    I have seen everyone in this GD relating the studies as based on the Indian standards and there is no such limitations given by Vandana Mam. So try to take the whole world rather to swim within the circle of India. All the other countries have changed their equipments to cope up with global challenges, but we are still competing with the world with the older technologies and equipments.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

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  • #245955
    @Reninji
    I agree with you whatever your concerns are about the children suffering from eye defects. In that we also should not use computers. We have to move along the world, otherwise we will be left behind. I am using computer for the last fifteen years and sit on the computer for 5 to 6 hours a day and has created thousand of files to teach my students. We have to move along with the times, otherwise we will miss the train to progress. Everything has got its merits and demerits. We have to weigh the pros and cons of a system and arrive at a correct decision. This is why we are discussing the subject to learn from each other. Your views are vary valuable and will be kept in mind by the people who want to use one system or the other. But I am against the use of costly white boards in the schools which have to be always run with the overhead projectors. Being fixed to the walls, they become useless when there is a power cut. They occupy the place of the blackboard on the wall, and make the teachers go without a board whether white or black when there is power cut and power cuts are always there in many states.

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  • #245971
    @Vicky

    Dear Friend,

    Yes, you have a very good point there that "these advanced technologies cannot be supplied " to those in rural areas. But does it mean that if they cannot have it, then none should ?

    Apply them to whichever sector possible so that atleast the students there can be better in taking "India to the world" !

    Regards and thanks,
    Linu Chackos

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  • #245984
    @Sudhan

    Yes friend, we'll do that and thanks.

    @Renin


    Friend, you are just limiting the topic to "kids education". Let's go a bit further up and talk about "higher education" for youngsters.
    For kids, blackboards might be the best because they tend to "imitate" or "follow" whatever the teacher does in the class or in whatever manner "they are thought" (how to draw diagrams or how to write the alphabets correctly).

    But, in colleges, the "portions" to be covered are vast. There if the teacher stick to the blackboard, he might fail to finish the portions in time.

    And about the students, honestly think that the students in colleges etc are well aware about the basics of "education" (drawing etc.)

    Regards
    Linu Chackos

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  • #246008
    The discussion about the new technology to be used in the education system is being discussed here and many are supporting the usage of the latest of the latest technology in the education system. Friends we have see that the new gadgets which are available in India are not functioning properly.
    Few days back the government has given tabs to the students to make them well versed with the technological advancement in regard to introduction of the latest technology in the education system. Aakash the world cheapest tablet was given to the students at the cost of Rs. 2,276 for the reason that the neo technology should be given to the students and the future of India should have the introduction to the neo system of education. The device is useless as it gets heated up in just 10 minutes. The user is not allowed to play all the video formats on this device. User cannot install other software as the tablet has no connectors. The battery life is only for 2 hours.
    This is the state of the affair where the discussion is being taking place for the introduction of the latest technology in the classrooms. I have in my previous responses have mentioned that it is only possible if both the technologies the old and the new should go hand in hand. If the new technological devices are not working efficiently then the students should not suffer rather the teacher can utilize the time explaining the subject with the help of the old blackboard and chalk.

    @ Mr. Sudhan, I agree with you that change is must but what you have to say to my above mentioned reason. We have to provide the best of the gadgets to the students and then only we should talk about changing the system.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


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  • #246013
    Tradition method is always welcome.
    But for better education Modern method is definitely better.
    It does matter \teacher teaching through a black board or through a computer.
    Students does not see where Teacher is writing , because student want the communication from Teacher, what Teacher is saying and how he is explaining the things or problem?

    Teacher can explain the things whether it is written on a black board or it is presentable on a PPT mode in a computer.

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  • #246015
    @Renin and vickey

    Well i already said that the traditional blackboards should not be wiped pout completely. The need of the hour is that to merge these technologies with existing teaching methods. In country like India where education play a important role and the scarcity funds force us to stick to the basic system of study. hence we lag in studies and modern knowledge as compared to the modern country students. In India we can't suddenly wipe the whole teaching system and put a new system because of lack of resources.
    But we should start making effort in the direction of adapting the modern teaching methods.

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  • #246020
    @ Mr. Nadeem Naqvi
    Is there only one tab introduced in India, I don't think so there is many Tabs But the lowest being Aakash, If a Tab is provided at the lowest cost it would have the defects with them and I never told AAKASH is something special but it is always better to have something in place of nothing and hence the AAKASH would be definitely for the poor people and not for those who can afford to Buy High class product of the same category.
    It is not that modern technology has not been introduced till now, It has been introduced in many colleges and schools and has been found effective than the traditional method. There are lots of schools, colleges and Business schools that are focusing on Modern equipment and technology for the education and are also successful in them too. I hope you got the answer for your query.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

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  • #246034
    @ Mr.Nadeem Navi

    Sir, let me ask you one thing. The i-pad launched by "Apple" costs around $829 and the tablet from "Reliance" around Rs. 13000.
    How in the world can you expect the features in these tablets to be available in "AAKASH" which costs just Rs.2700 and around Rs.1500 for students (i guess) !

    I know i am deviating from the G.D topic but just give me a chance to explane.

    Aakash supports image formats like .png, .jpg, .gif, .bmp, video formats include MPEG2, MPEG4, AVI and FLV. The Tablet also supports audio formats such as MP3, AAC, AC3, WAV and WMA.
    In addition to that, it has Mini and Full USB, has got two SD card slots (memory expandable up-to 32GB), a SIM card slot, Video Out, a 3.5 mm headphone jack support and HDMI port.

    Honestly, i think these facilities are more than enough for a student because if you supply them with more, lets not forget the chance for them to misuse the tablet in the same and exact way as a "mobile phone"

    Regards
    Linu Chackos

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  • #246037
    Hello members,
    The traditional method of teaching and the use of blackboards and chalks cannot be kept aside totally. There are many villages where the government is successfully running schools. Previously the government schools had fake names in the admission/attendance registers. Today the scenario is changed, the government has upgraded most of these schools not only in infrastructure but in many ways. There are newly appointed teachers on permanent/contract basis. Mid-day meals are given to children and provision for immunization has also been strengthened. The anganwadi workers, nurses and doctors reach these children in the schools to provide health aids. It will be wrong to say that, government schools have fake registrations. In my opinion the Modern teaching aids should reach these schools. There are many IAS officers, bureaucrats, scientists, doctors, engineers and many 'A'grade service holders who have studied from these schools and many future stars and talents are studying in these schools now. It will be very good if modern teaching aids will be introduced into these schools. I agree the cost may be very high but the government can initially launch LCD's, TV's, projectors to help pupil learn texts/ graphics/power-point slides,etc.

    The Modern teaching aids will also create vacancies and new jobs,where teachers with skills of MTA will be required. There are many who are educated, have such skills yet unemployed. These people will get an opportunity to show and share their talents for a good cause.

    If required the black boards should be replaced with the white board.
    However, the blackboard is best to learn on subjects like arithmetic, physics, chemistry where each student may get an equal opportunity to solve puzzles, numericals, formulas and balancing of equations in chemistry in front of the teacher.

    We should welcome the change and let the children learn through the Modern teaching aids in the schools and colleges. Since the cost of these, enhanced modern teaching aid methodologies is very high, the blackboard will remain evergreen in the future days also.

  • #246039
    @ Mr. Sudhan, I am saying that the modern technology is to be introduced to the children at the early stage so that they can use it effectively in the later stages of life and this is the reason why they thread has been created, if I am not mistaken.

    @ Mr. Linu Chackos, the point here is that the cost for everything is much high and the poor parents have to take the extra burden. Remember all are not rich and thus coping with the new technology might be difficult for many if the buying cost is not taken care off. I have given an example of Aakash to make the fellow members who are advocating on the use of the new technology to understand the state of affair in India.

    Regards,
    Nadeem Naqvi


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  • #246052
    The words that are mentioned by the Sukhdev sir and Sudhan is very correct as we must be backwards in the world that is developing every day, in the time if we prefer to stay in the same environment, we would be back logged definitely.

    @ Nadeem Naqvi,
    I did not find any of the relation between the Aakash tablet and the white board there in nor relation indeed. Sorry to ask that can you explain in brief as it is given to those students who cannot afford the costly things and that is to individual students but when considered to this white board it is bought on the idea that it helps all the students and better one could be bought without the cheap things that are available and it is not at all a problem.

    @Swastika,
    There would be definitely the teaching made by the teacher with their words as you mentioned that the students lag the communication from teacher, this is wrong, by using the white board the teachers just get slide and those slides must be explained by the teacher. Hence, their would be no such problem and the details can be explained more accurately by the figures use as with by black board the teacher cannot draw another example within seconds but it is possible with these power slides.

    Regards,
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  • #246057
    @ Nadeem

    Sir,

    Its the educational institutions that are spending the money with an additional help from the government to introduce this new and improved teaching methods to the classroom (i guess so). Why should the parents be involved in it ?

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

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  • #246067
    @ prithvi

    The modern teaching aids can apply in any class to show pictures, images to students. but, it can't apply to teach the writing method. We can teach it also on screen, but there is a big difference when a teacher writes the 'alphabet' with child's palm. It is more helpful than showing it on screen.
    The second thing about interaction and the mutual relation between a teacher and student will decrease, because the verbal communication has the ability to influence student's mind. When a teacher draws a bird's picture and explains it in a black board, this helps to learn "how draw that picture and what was it". When show it in a screen, child can't grasp it quickly because a child have a curiosity to know how the picture formed? So, he/she always note the body language and hand movement of teacher. It's the fact. Therefore, I said that traditional system is important to lower level classes.

  • #246082
    Dear friend,
    I am not talking in that view. If we are unable to take all students altogether than it is unfare to them.
    Today, many students are utilizing this technologies in urban areas.

    Thanks and regards,
    Vicky

  • #246086
    @ Linu & Sudhan
    Ok, let us now give the board exams and come to colleges. Here too I don't feel there is the need for the new technologies to come as pretty much all the subjects can be and have been taught in the blackboard in the classroom.

    Blackboards do have certain shortcomings and yes, they are not used for paper presentation and to cover certain design topics, but there are separate presentation rooms in colleges and there is no need for these equipments to enter the classrooms as the topic of our discussion is.

    I agree that it is hard to cover the entire syllabus in the engineering field, but it is so because the teachers need time for explaining the various basics to the students as basics is the main for an engineering student. By using these technologies I don't feel there will be any difference in the speed of explaining as it will be the same in any case.

    Sukhdevji
    As the group discussion needs points from both the sides of the topic me too I am putting my thoughts and concerns over this side of the topic. The summation of all the points together will determine whether a new idea is feasible enough or not to be implemented. Also I too agree with the fact that putting up of the white boards will leave no space for the blackboard teaching and sometimes the teacher feels like putting a point by using the blackboard and hence it is not good to completely sideline it.

    Renin

  • #246092
    @ Renin, I beg you pardon if I haven't been specific about what I was driving at in the Abacus and Calculator comparison. Let's simply put it this way, comparing a traditional blackboard to a hi-tech equipments is like equating an Abacus to a Calculator, whereas you have mentioned, "
    if you give a student of class1(lets say) a calculator, he will never try to by heart the multiplication tables. I have seen people who held calculator from childhood who in college need calculator for 100/10=?.". What I want to conclude through it is, a blackboard should be under the disposal of the teachers and not the students. In the same way, the Abacus as equated with the blackboard is a teaching aid and not something to be handled by the students. The same goes for the calculator (or the projector, pp presentation, whatever)

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  • #246096
    Bru
    Blackboard is under the disposal of both the teachers and the students. Many times the teacher calls upon the student to the blackboard and ask him/her to solve a question or draw a diagram. This is an interactive way of teaching where both the teacher and the student provide their views. Whereas in the case of the power point presentation the teacher will click on the slides and go on explaining whatever is shown on the slide. There is no option to call the student and make him draw a diagram anymore.
    I totally got the idea of your comparison and hence the example of calculator. These modern techniques are more or less a form of short cut where the students have limited chance to exercise their imagination and reasoning skills as the whole matter will be shown on the screen. This will make the student dependent on the technologies rather than their own brains and this is what I meant from the calculator incident.

    Renin

  • #246101
    The slides and digital work can be save and so it is easy to repeat every time.But when the teacher teaches with blackboard every time when he will teach there will a change,it can be extra then before or can less also. My point is that students worry about their class when they that teacher will teach on blackboard.If it comes about the slides then student knows that if his teacher teaches one more time then he will have no loss.Even when the slides teaching is done teachers gives the slides to students as notes,so the absent one can take it from his friend.Now someone can say that then the modern teaching is better.But it can harm the student. Because the overall developement depends that how many time student takes the class,and he can also be care less about his studies

  • #246102
    Hi
    everybody,
    Let us go with the time. In modern world only time is valued. So to pace with the time the modern teaching techniques are being introduced in everyday and in grass-root level.
    The advantages are
    It is easy to make the student understand the whole thing in a audiovisual three dimensional play. Suppose the bonding of nucleous or flow charts etc.
    In lower classes it is very much interesting for the children to learn with play and joy, like watching movie, reciting with dance with a player etc.
    In blackboard method the content of display is limited and time consuming, but in a projector it is very fast and ready available content.
    Presentations are previously made and checked twice, so margin of error is limited.
    In more advance teaching the latest update from the world is readily available. It helps the pupil to prepare for the open competition.
    Advanced teaching aids itself needed skill to operate. To learn through modern teaching technique needed knowledge about that device like computer, power point, flash media etc, which in turn help to learn.
    Let us not forget that the topic is about teaching aids, not the method. The traditional blackboard teaching method is very laborious, monotonous,tough to handle, tough to maintain and also not very attractive.
    Though the village India is lagging behind to cope up with the modern teaching aids still not far behind. Establishment of private schools paves the way for the students to learn with modern aids.
    In conclusion I can say the modern teaching aids are not only better for teaching but also the needs of todays institutions to cope up with the competitive world.It helps to learn large amount in a small time with accuracy and clear concept.

    Thanks
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  • #246103
    Mr. Prithvi Kocherla, Please read the whole response. I just want to reason that both the traditional and the neo educational systems should be provided in the class if really we want to bring in a change in the educational system.
    I have read in the responses above in this discussion that what will happen in case of village school where classes are being conducted under the tree.
    The uses of white board against that of the traditional black board will in the longer run create a vast gap between the students of the future. It is the college where both the students come at par; villager and the urban. The use of the white board in the classes of the college will have a problem as the students from the village will not be able to compete with the ones coming from the urban area.
    Here the members are just discussing the use of the traditional and modern educational techniques but what and how it will be introduced equally for all?
    The conditions at the government schools is pathetic as the teachers are not attending classes and still all the children are passing in the exams.
    First and the foremost this which the government has to do is to introduce a uniform educational system all over India and then we should discuss the usage of the neo techniques of education.

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  • #246104
    Dear Komal
    Here it is not the fault of teaching Aids but the teaching method. If someone do not want to learn then use any teaching aids he will not. But if he had the notes with him at least he can find it during exam or when needed by using internet teaching sites. More over in repeated presentation the next teacher added his won idea with the previous best so the ideas are gatherd and not lost.

    Thanks
    Sousil
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  • #246106
    Dear Nnadeem,
    Please see the topic.Implementation is a problem that does not means modern teaching aids are not better.As you said it is better that is why you are advocating for its implementation at village level.

    Thanks
    Sousil
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  • #246121
    @Sousil sir, You are right if one wants to study then he will do it by any method.And one who don't want to study will not study with any method. Then why to take the more costly systems which are not eco friendly and then no need to waste the power.The student who want to study he even has no need of teacher,like Eklavya. My point of view was slides are easier to take so the students who are some lazy it can be an excuse for them.

  • #246128
    Dear Nadeem
    The discussion in our study material is very defficult . in the modern era our education system is totally change because the technology involve in the education
    Traditional blackboards vs Modern Teaching Aids
    1 . Traditional blackboards explain the knowladge of teacher vs Modern Teaching Aids depends on the presentation
    2. With the help of Traditional blackboards teacher have to power
    of discussion among the student whereas modern teaching Aids are just like a machenical teacher.
    3.Most of Indian rural sector school this time going on blackboard teaching Vs a few schools have Wi-fi teaching Method .
    4. the method. The traditional blackboard teaching method is very laborious, monotonous,tough to handle, tough to maintain and also not very attractive
    conclusion
    teaching Adis are mainly depends on the area of school and living enviroment.sometimes education aids covered with our society

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  • #246130
    Sousil
    The following are my arguments for the points put up by you.
    1. The audio visual will no doubt be easier for the students to learn as everything will be shown in front of their eyes, but human beings don't have photographic memories to remember everything that they see. They remember things by applying logic and try to make up the image in their minds. If the teachers simply show them the slides and explain it, they will just know what the teachers are telling, however what is required is to make the students understand through making them visualize step by step. In this process the students can express their doubts and ultimately the final image will form in the students mind without the need for the audio visuals.

    2. No doubt children will enjoy watching movies, that doesn't mean teachers will start showing movies in every possible class. Instead they must once in a while take the students to a hall and using a projector show these movies(or any educational video).

    3. Imparting knowledge needs time. Showing the entire syllabus in a day through the slides is not going to help. Points must be properly explained step by step and this can be best done through a blackboard.

    4. There are less mistakes in the presentations, however I would like to say that these mistakes sometimes are a good thing as the students tend to notice these mistakes while the teacher is writing in the blackboard. If we use power point slides then no doubt there will be no mistakes and the students will be blindly copying the notes.

    5. The latest updates from the world is not such a complex topic that needs power point. It can be discussed by the teacher any time during the lecture.

    As this is a group discussion, let us not conclude things until the end of the session.

    Renin

  • #246132
    @ All
    I feel that the schools and colleges are implementing these new technologies like white boards, projectors etc. just for show off and lure the students. They just want to put across that they have the most modern facilities and one can easily find this statement in the prospectus of any college or school especially the MBA institutes. Also they charge extra for it in their already exorbitant fees. What is you take on the same?

    Also the extra fees that they charge now is going to increase many folds if all the classrooms are fitted with these new technology gadgets and higher education which is hard for the common people to reach will become almost impossible.

    Renin

  • #246166
    @ Renin,
    Your example is as similar as "why the Modern tools in agricultures like Tractors, High Yielding varieties are implemented when there are more number of employees working in the field to improve production and these creates more employment opportunities, Your statement is similar to state that the tools like tractors are waste and it is simply the utilization of more money by the farmers."

    There is an improvement which is essential in all the sectors including the educational institutions and one has to develop the modern technology to improve the standard of learning of a country.
    We need not worry about the Finance for the educational Institutions it is up to the Management and government to provide higher standard of education and arrange all the equipments for the same.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

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  • #246184
    Well I want to highlights some of the merits of Modern teaching methods and its demerits too.
    First of in India we will not be completely changing over to the modern system because of capital problem and yes our population too. Modern methods are good in the manner that they save a lot of time and make studies interesting. The students are provided with updated knowledge so they are trained equally as same as other country students. Modern teaching will create more "employment because we will be requiring more workforce to manufacture and handle these instruments".

    There are so many cases reported from different part of the country that due to chalk powder many teachers have developed chronic diseases. So in my opinion this is very bad. It not only affects the teachers but students too. There consumption and regular use not only degrades the respiratory system but also the black boards which use them too. Due to lack of visibility of chalk from back side of the classroom, students find it difficult to read and some time they end with having eye problem. At least this problem is not with modern technologies.

    Now some disadvantages to this system.
    Large capital investment is required. We have to train the teachers how to use them and how to make best use of it. Like if the teacher is telling the working of rocket propulsion, he or she should be able to add sounds and pictures in the ppt in addition to written data. Security of these system is also a need of concern.

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  • #246205
    @ Sudhan

    Your support for Modern equipments in classroom is like supporting Nuclear bombs as it is more efficient against swords and knifes.( Please don't take this statement in an aggressive tone.)

    I just want to convey that anyone can come up with any analogy and this is not the proper way for producing arguments. Let me show how.

    Students or more precisely the human brain is different from the land that we till. If the land is tilled with bare hands it will take x time. If one uses bullocks then it will take less than x, lets say y time. If tractors are used it will take less than y time and so on.
    However human brain does not respond in that way, actually it may go the reverse way, the faster that teacher teaches, the low chances of the students to grasp it. Moreover it is not guaranteed that the student will even then grasp the concept.
    It requires patience, proper and interactive explanation etc. which can be better imparted through the blackboard system rather than the new age equipments which may catch the eye and save time, but in my opinion will not create students who can think.

    I would like to add that 'Education is not filling a bucket, it is lighting the candle'

    All the new techniques can do is fill our brains with information, rather the need of the hour is a brain which understands properly and reasons with the fact provided to it.

    Renin

  • #246230
    I am really sorry to be so late to get into this GD of interesting topic.

    At the outset I would say that technology has transformed our lives to a great extent. Every tool that we use made the life better and teaching is not an exception. However there are certain limitations to it because of improper and unwanted application of the tools

    Yes definitely there are subjects that can be better taught without audio visual tools. Languages are better taught on a black board. Mathematics sometimes better taught on black board. Drawing techniques are better taught with chalk and board.

    Merits and demerits of Multimedia/powerpoint tools
    *Better impression on the senses.
    *you need not waste time in writing up or drawing informative diagrams and flow charts in the class.
    *You can show 3D images and flash videos.
    *You need not erase and over write.
    *You can revise the whole presentation by by brushing through the slides.
    *Easy transfer of data and sharing of data

    *Teacher loses eye to eye contact and the teaching process would not be lively and becomes mechanical.
    *Not all teachers especially the older teachers are not better equipped to use these tools and their proper applications and are just forced to use because of the trend. Hence they use powerpoint just to show up the text rather than flow charts, diagrams, shhemes e.t.c which is of no use
    *Most of them teachers escape their home work and keep reading the text present in the slides which makes lecture boring and the lecturers dependent.

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  • #246236
    @Renin,
    From The Nuclear example stated by you, There was only one destruction faced by the world on these Nuclear development but the same has been the major source of electricity for our country as well as the world for many years. It has been used in a wrong manner once but since then it has been used for the useful purpose of the nation. If the development has been used in the correct manner, the nation can become a power house and It related to all the developments in various fields.

    Do you say that the students ability to think can be developed only through Blackboard system, In the modern times staffs are not doing the thing of writing in the board the Boards are meant just to explain and have you seen any classes where teachers are writing in the boards for the better understanding of the topic. I think Absolutely not, The staffs of now a days especially the senior secondary and college staffs are engaged in order to finish the vast syllabus in the college and I would say no staff is taking the effort to make the students understand, There is only one motive of teachers that is completion of syllabus and the teachers are struggling to do that.
    But when the modern Technology comes into picture, the syllabus is completed well in advance and there is ample time for the students to prepare for the exams, Now a days more importance is given to term tests and revisions which have proved better than the older method of education where the teacher is not able to complete one or two units at the end of the academic year due to which students fail.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

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  • #246237
    The GD is just getting better and better.

    @ all

    Ok, the mordern teaching equipments may have some defects, but its 'merits' manage to cover them up. Let me remind one thing to all those who are against the topic that introduction of new technologies are a waste that, resisting a new upgrade to the society is not going to impart any good to anyone.

    India is a developing country. But for it to actualy develope, the people should develope a positive attitude towards new upgrades like the one mentioned above.

    So, what i would to say again is that we should go for a 'Hybrid' class room.

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

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  • #246240
    @ Sudhan
    If the teacher is in no mood to teach then it is their flaws and not of the system or method. As for finishing the syllabus, yes the modern techniques can finish the syllabus in time. How? The teachers will show as many as possible slides to the students and expect them to remember everything they saw. Also they may give these slides to the students and just say the syllabus is finished. So what is the role of teacher? to play the projector? Any sweeper can be taught to operate a projector and any class 5 pass person can read what is written in the slide.
    Teachers are there to explain the basics so that the students may understand it.

    Also I said nuclear bomb and not nuclear energy. By the way I was not inferring anything out of it, just stating that anyone can make any analogy but one must give proper arguments in favor of it.

    Also your concept on exams is also not helping as the students will face extra burden as they don't have the basic idea but still need to pass the exams so they will try to by heart these slides and this wil create more and more students who know the definition but can't apply them in the real world.

    @ Linu
    Development doesn't mean to follow whatever other countries are doing or to follow the latest technology. Certain ideas can may be beneficial to someone whereas to others it may be the opposite. New doesn't always mean good and the pros and cons of every new technology must be thoroughly taken into consideration before it is implemented.

    The classrooms must be better left with the blackboards and if there is any need for additional help, it is to better use the common presentation hall.

    Renin

  • #246259
    Pretty decent topic for GD.
    It is difficult to answer as both of them have good and bad like anything in the world. off course modern techniques are very useful in teaching. In chemistry we have 3D figures which cannot be shown using chalk and duster. For such matters the modern techniques are very useful. The teaching standard may increase. But that class would turn into audio visual room and in my view a student will never get a feel of school. Modern techniques are useful enough but the interaction of teacher reduces and a relationship with teacher and student gets reduced. The techniques can be used as additional resource and not for complete class.
    When does a class occur? when the teacher and student gets interacted well and the situation comes when the student is courageous enough to clear the doubt with the teacher. When we give more importance to matters on modern techniques we cannot concentrate on whole class and that would be awkward. Although this is IT era there are still people who don't know English or don't even basics of computer.Old teachers who may be best in teaching would loss their grip when the new system of teaching enters.
    In my opinion ,I prefer Blackboard method well as the teaching is ultimate style and student should learn from model teacher not from machines. We can add modern techniques only for teaching special topics which may need more effort than a chalk. Thumbs up for Traditional system were the teacher gets respect and we cannot give that respect to a machine. We can't learn from machine but we can learn from a good teacher.
    Hoping for more active topics from ISC and I think my words will never hurt anyone.
    By,
    Freddy.
    Teachers are role models of a student.

    By,
    Freddy.

    There is not substitute for hard work and no shortcut to success.

  • #246273
    I am happy to note that there are many divergent views on the subject and it is the essence of the discussion.

    As far as I am concerned I recommend that both the traditional blackboard as well as the modern technology should be used side by side as also recommended by some of the members here. The blackboard should not be replaced entirely by the white electronic board or so called smart board as has been done in some of the corporate and international schools.

    The blackboard is the fundamental and the most useful tool for a teacher to teach. Along with the black board the modern technology can be made use of as I have done in my school where both the modern technology and the blackboard is used. I have done it a very nominal cost for the students. The reason being that thousands of PowerPoint slides and games have been created personally by me and my students and we need not buy them from the third source.

    As pointed out by Mr Naqvi, there are limitations in use of cheap tablets like Askash. But we can make alternative uses of devices available in the market. I am using thin clients in my Computer lab where I make the children to learn even our vernacular languages starting from Class III onwards. You can see here the snapshot of students learning Hindi. There are no CPUs used except in a server. The monitors are being run by cheap thin clients.

    "Teaching is my passion and sharing knowledge is my motto"
    Regards,
    Sukhdev Singh
    Lead Editor Forums Section

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  • #246382
    Dear all,
    The high tech teaching aids are advanced, mechanical and more professional in comparison to blackboard and chalk teaching system, which is simpler. Here the teacher holds the hand of the little children and corrects him, the teacher may pat a child as a gesture of appreciation. This gives encouragement to the child and fills his heart with joy. The traditional teaching methods help in the development of a students overall personality. While Modern teaching aids are formal, accurate, cover a lot of syllabus in a short time but there is no touch of affection. High tech teaching aids lack touch therapy of appreciation and it is likely that the students may get mechanical, stereo-typed or like intelligent robots. We all want well balanced students.

    It is better to have a combination study of blackboard-chalk as well as Modern teaching aid facilities in the schools/colleges so that the students may get the best education.
    @Renin-I agree with Renin that students should not get technology dependent. The mind can solve difficult problems so the innovative power should be taken care of so that the students in the near future become inventors of even better technologies.
    @Phagu Mahato-Traditional Blackboards are not laborious or monotonous. There is a saying,'Vidyarthi jivan tapasya ka jivan', There is no short cuts to success. The students have to labour hard.

    The private schools/colleges should not just introduce MTA for purpose of business but should impart good practical knowledge to the students, so that the Indian students get competent and well trained as the students of the other countries. Then the outcome of the MTA will bring good results and returns.

  • #246432
    hi
    almost everybody says it is difficult to implement the modern teaching aids in lower level. But my argument is that it is very much needed to teach the kids. If you told a small kid to to draw a apple on slate he will not draw again again even if you draw it first. But if you give him a colourful drawing book and ask him to imitate with different colour, he will do it.In any modern kindergarten school the modern teaching techniques and aids are used that is why the nursery students are far better than a primary child of a government school.
    Another point is there is limited interaction between teacher and student. for the sake of argument if I accept this, then why you need this. it needs because the teacher have to make the student understand. Now if the student automatically understand the things from the study matterial then only he can go deep into the matter and ask an advanced question.So communication is not hampered but the communication is there with a high level of knowledge is being discussed rather than the normal one.
    Sukhdev Sir,
    Interaction and two way communication is almost equal. So I think this is not a problem as I said above.
    Mohan Sir,
    As you said about the logo of gurukul, I think the topic is only about the comparision between modern and traditional teaching aids not the moral or traditional history or something. We must respect the old but built new things to cope up with the age wind. I am not disrespecting the traditional method, because these are the base of everything. But only C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C will not make a song. It needs difficult and modern composition with these seven words to make a beautiful song. Keep respect for these but follow the better one.

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246436
    @Renin
    The argument of Yours is good but I have a point to say.
    First of all here the diccussion is not the method but simply on the Teaching aids. Using the Slide or power point is a using the aids but how the teacher deliver the things with the help of presentation is the method. Did I say just put up the slide and let the teacher go home?
    Secondly the movie was just an example. It does not mean that always use the movie. Let me say using of clay, models, visits etc.
    Imparting knowledge needs time that does not support your view because todays generation is far more advance in genetically and they can take more faster than what we did. If you keep the routine of a 1st standard student you can see he or she does not have the spare time even in sunday.
    Learn from mistake that does not mean learn only from the mistake. Here I did say that if you do not know the right thing how do you correct it?
    I am no one to conclude the discussion. That was conclusion of my say. Please do not take it personal.

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246443
    Sousil
    Models, charts, maps etc are used in classes from a long time and these are different than the new teaching aids like whiteboard and power point presentation. A teacher normally draws the diagram on the blackboard to show the basic and generally show these models or charts to show what they look in real. Let's say the geometry of a molecule which is 3 dimensional. Teacher first draws them in the blackboard and labels the various parts, then for better understanding shows the 3D model.
    As you can see the blackboard here is the main teaching method and these models are sometimes used when the teacher feels that the students may not understand the same.

    Yes, the discussion is on teaching aids but we will have to consider the method or way of teaching too. Otherwise the only difference between a blackboard and a whiteboard is that the blackboard is black and the whiteboard is white.
    No one has permitted the teachers to leave the class. What I mean to say here is that the teacher will merely go through the slides and may even give great details on the topic, but are the students listening? How can we be sure about that? One way is to ask the student to come up to the blackboard and solve the question.

    The mistakes teachers generally make are silly ones, which one of the student points out by either logic or they might check the textbook.
    As you have pointed out, there was a mistake on part of me to read your concluding sentence as a conclusion to the GD and you corrected it. I will make sure about it in the future, this way through the interactive posts I have learned something new.

    Renin

  • #246444
    Dear Komal,
    Your point was slide is not effective. As I said slide is a aids and putting the slide and explain it in a detail way is method.
    Can you draw everything in a blackboard and explain?
    Itis much better to prepare a slide with the help of advanced tool and then display it and explain.

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246446
    @ Renin,
    I think you are not aware of the thing happening now a days, if you can tell that if the teacher is not teaching properly it is the flaw of the teacher and not the system the same is applicable to the newer technology too. If the teacher gives the slide simply to the students and does nothing to help the student it is flaw with the teacher right, you are imposing a different view to support your statement on the staff.
    You have stated the example of sweepers and the fifth class student to facilitate your answer and I will say when you state that even the sweeper can handle the class, why not the staff handle the class and adopt the newer technology which many members said as the disadvantage for modern method and when the fifth class student can understand the slides, I would say the development had paved way for the betterment of the students and made it easy even for a lower cadre student to understand the topic better using these slides.

    Now a days the technology has developed so mush that most of the business schools adopt the newer technology, So does that mean the Business schools are not efficient and staff are not teaching properly and then how the students are getting the subject matter more when compared to other MBA institutions in India.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

    "The greatest achievement comes from the biggest challenges"

  • #246447
    @ Sudhan
    Maybe I am not aware of things that are going on nowadays, but what has changed? Everything is the same, there were bad and good teachers in olden times and so is the case now.

    Let me support my former statement with an example, Let us say a teacher is teaching a diagram using the whiteboard and the powerpoint projector. He/she has described everything in detail, given all the points. Now did a student sitting in the last bench, or first bench for that matter understand it? or did he even listened to it?
    There is one way to know that, by asking them to write the same in the notebooks or on a blackboard.
    Also if you see an already completed diagram on the screen, how will you know the steps involved in making it or atleast where to start?
    If the teacher draws a diagram on the blackboard, the students can better understand how to start the diagram, what are the steps, what shortcut methods can be employed etc.

    Renin

  • #246450
    @Renin
    as my point, the blackboard is like the base and all others are building in that base. My point is that we should strive for the better always.
    If you noticed the homework or exam pattern is different. Today the mental status of children is different. Even today it is very risky to dishonor a child in the class or beat him. If the white board means only the digital media here in this discussion then it is OK. But my point is the traditional teaching Aids and modern teaching aids.
    Today teacher does not say individual to come up to the board and solve but gives them homework and check them next day.
    Some one pointed that the modern teaching aids are not eco-friendly. I do not understand the point. Can we live with isolation from modern civilization? The answer is no. Before implementation all these things comes through a series of experiments and changes where all these things are taken care of and standards are maintained.

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246452
    @Renin
    In a flash diagram the layer changes as per sequence and step by step it move towards the completion just as we draw in blackboard. Only difference is here the teacher is only explaining and the technique draw the diagram. Here the advantage is if a student does not understand the step the teacher can back to the previous step and again play it. But in case of blackboard he has to rub it and draw again, which is very laborious.

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246453
    @ Sousil

    The discussion is on bringing the modern aids into the classroom and also the sidelining of the good old faithful for these new technologies.
    What I have put till now is that we don't need these new technologies in the classroom as it is both uneconomical and inefficient as compared to blackboards.
    If there is any need for teaching some topics which require special help,then it is better to use a presentation hall for the same purpose.

    The teacher may give these homeworks or even exams and check them, but there is no interaction in these cases and generally the student never understands why some answers were wrong or right. Also in homework one usually copies from books and there is no question of understanding concepts through them.

    The various standards set by government doesn't mean that it is safe to overuse such things.

    Renin

  • #246457
    @ renin
    What you're saying is completely loss of human discovery till now. Tell me now that what is the benefit of human so much development if can't use it to our student. Teaching which is the most important part of our society and our civilization should be provided in best way. Teaching is the only medium which connects people together irrespective of the fact who is who. Now I want to say that of anybody who can afford these modern educations then he should go for it. If any one does not that much funds so he can still study in the normal school, but at least the students have the choice.

    I want to tell every member at the ISC about 'Pranab mistry' the indian genius in sixth technology. Now he is pass out from IIT and he then shifted to MIT for his further studies and continue his research. He dis so because he was lacking that environment whcih is suitable for research. So he shifted to Mit.

    Life is single, live it full.

  • #246458
    Sousil

    No doubt one can design a flash program or a powerpoing program in such a manner that the steps are shown one by one. Now making them in powerpoint or flash will take more time than to finish the entire chapter as it is not easy to draw using these softwares.
    Also there are various methods and shortcuts to draw diagrams which is highly beneficial to students especially at the time of exams which can be only taught if the teacher himself is drawing and explaining the steps.

    Renin

  • #246459
    @Nupur
    It is very charming to listen and read the word INTELLIGENT ROBOT, but the fact is that modern teaching aids make them to make a intelligent robot. Here you are arguing for modern teaching system, say syllabi, content etc. Try to understand the difference.If someone give you a job to make a bomb which is to be use for industrial purpose but someone used it for killing human. That does not take away your creditability of making a successful bomb. The modern educational system is based on the requirement. It emphasizes more on physical rather than moral or traditional. Let us not talk about which is irrelevant.

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246460
    @ Renin
    I would say that the things have changed as that of the past, Their are only few staffs who are concentrating on the importance of knowledge of the students, most of the are just reading out the passage in the text and asking the students to write and I think The modern method is more comfortable than this method where the staff just reads out faster to finish the topics.
    Now do you think the student in the last bench are understanding the topics when the teacher teaches them in the traditional old method I don't think so, Even when they are inspected they come through. It is only the exams where the competence of the students are checked and now that the new method is adopted the portions are completed soon and there are more practice tests kept that make the students more appropriate to face the environmental challenges and acquire more knowledge on the subject due to more and more exposure towards the subjects by modern methods like Group Discussions, Presentations and Industrial Visits etc.,

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

    "The greatest achievement comes from the biggest challenges"

  • #246462
    @Renin
    It is not the question how the teacher prepare it, but the students get benefited is all.If you see the automated computerized education system where each student have a PC on the desk and the lesson is generated and the teacher can monitor each students activity.
    Our government can do thousands of crore rupees corruption but can not modernize the infrastructure of the educational institutions because these are costly did not listen good.
    Can our child compete in a international forum by learning with the old methods and technologies?

    Thanks
    Sousil
    "More love in life can ruin the life"

  • #246466
    double post
    Renin

  • #246467
    Askush

    Let me drift from this topic a bit, every new technology is not good, even if scientists, doctors, engineers say so. There are various factors like inadequate research, personal opinion, marketing strategy etc. So it is not advisable to blindly go and buy the phone because TOI gave it a good review. You can see it in the case of movies too. New movies need not be better than old. Well forget it as it has nothing to do with the discussion.

    No doubt these new techniques can help in certain aspects or loopholes of blackboards, however as I have already stated that these topics can be separately explained in a presentation room or in a computer. One has to use a computer to teach how to execute programs. There is no other option.
    The primary teaching must be done through the blackboards and only then if there is need, the students can be given more information by showing them slides, models, real stuffs etc.

    Also providing both the blackboard and whiteboard is not a feasible solution as it requires a lot of space and has been testified by Mr. Sukhdev as a personal experience.

    Calculators can really speed up the calculation process, however you can see that it is not permitted in exams, even MBA entrance exams. If a person is dependent on calculator, he may not be able to do these sums or even if he is able to , the same will consume a lot of time as most likely he/she doesn't know the shortcut methods which a person experienced in calculating without calculator knows. It is however indispensable in engineering calculations and is allowed but the students are expected to be sharp enough to do the simple calculations on themselves.

    Renin

  • #246469
    @Suhad,
    For the reply you gave, you have mentioned that the students can see the hand-writing style bu the same can be also shown in the power slides by making to write with virtual hand. The things that are not possible by a teacher is also possible through this system.
    There would be communication from the teacher also I haven't mentioned that the teacher is not required of the white board is present, but indeed it also requires a teacher to explain for what is going on the screen and through this the teacher can go up to any student in the class and the correct the mistakes of this child, whereas in the traditional teaching this cannot be done.

    @Nadeem Naqvi,
    The previous message by you was read by me completely but i have mistook in the wrong way, excuse me for this and what you mentioned is absolutely true to your part that a common educational system system must be implemented throughout the India.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #246475
    @ renin
    What you're saying is completely loss of human discovery till now. Tell me now that what is the benefit of human so much development if can't use it to our student. Teaching which is the most important part of our society and our civilization should be provided in best way. Teaching is the only medium which connects people together irrespective of the fact who is who. Now I want to say that of anybody who can afford these modern educations then he should go for it. If any one does not that much funds so he can still study in the normal school, but at least the students have the choice.

    In my opinion slowly-slowly every school will have a particular room where these modern teaching methods instruments are installed. Education should be given the utmost priority. It is shame for us humans that a development in this field has started too late. If we train today youth good then definitely our country and our world future is bright. One thing I want to point out that nobody is saying too completely wipe out the traditional system but we can calibrate the traditional system with modern system. Where ever needed the particular system can be adapted.

    But still these technologies will take time to come but definitely I see bright future of this thing. Also I want to point out that we should adapt our self according to latest technologies. If we would not have switched to computers then how could we be able to calculate so many applications?


    The best example of technology adaptation is the use of calculator. We don't allow children to use calculator in early classes but as we step in to our graduation then we are needed to do so. So i don't see anything bad in it. See the best use of technology is the way we use it. It is true that over dependent on particular thing is bad but we should avoid overuse too. In my opinion change is good if implemented good.

    Life is single, live it full.

  • #246477
    @Renin,
    The message for what you have responded on Ankush,I want to ask you that does all the new movies are not better than old movies? As you quit this matter there itself, I also do not wanted to increase but usage of calculators is so stopped by the teachers as in the exam the calculations must be done on their own and at that time the students may fall in trouble if they are habituated to it and there is no correlation about here as if the power slides were used there would be nothing harm in the exams as they would get addicted to it but they doesn't try to taken to the exams. Calculator is considered as a mathematics device and the present white board is a system to provide education.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #246482
    @ Prithvi

    The calculator topic was actually not brought up by me and I too admit that the same is different from the new teaching aids. However the little similarity on which the members were giving their arguments, I had to provide the answer for the same. Also it will be another great debate if you are in favor that all the new movies are better than the old movies.

    @ Askush
    You have posted your previous post again which I have already responded to.

    Renin

  • #246487
    @Sousil sir,
    My point was the advanced technology is easy and students should not take the easy way.I think advanced technology is easier always and it is good to have advanced in our life also but what I wanted to say was easy way is not good for students.Think when student read many books to find a topic,he well read more then he wanted.But when there is the advanced technology why he will go to search in many books.

  • #246488
    Sudhan
    How can you expect the students to give exams and learn from it. No doubt one can learn from his mistakes in exams but it is not the main form of learning. One learns from the classroom but to test if the student is learning anything out of it, the exams are designed. If there are frequent exams and less classes then more or less what the student knows will be what is written in the books and nothing else. Even what he knows may be the by heart topics and not the proper understanding of the topic.
    What is the use of such an education system which creates copy cats. There are enough books and memory storage devices for the same. What the world needs is a brain that can implement the theories and produce ideas. This is how the world as of today came into being and this is how the latest technology came into existence.

    Renin

  • #246490
    @ Renin

    Friend, i din mean that one should go blindly behind developments or upgrades. What i meant is that they should have the patients to atleast try it out once and then put a judgement over it. If you remain with an attitude that developments or upgrades are a waste, then at last you will surly be left out from the society.

    And you said in your previous comment that "a hybrid" (both black boards and white ones) are not possible as it require much space. Come on, its gonna be hanged on the wall. How much space can it possibly take" !

    Regards,
    Linu Chackos

    Regards

  • #246492
    @ renin and all members

    First of all sorry for the same post again and now i have corrected it. Secondly very thank to all member for putting up so much good GD.


    Well about calculator you are right that they are not allowed in entrance examinations but they are allowed in graduation examination. Permitting these gadgets in the entrance is surely a different issue.


    Calculator surely saves time in your preparation to entrance too. I have seen that in entrance examination they don't put too much calculation for questions. One thing you tell me don't you do a Photostat. I mean if we take this in teaching point of view then, teacher when finds suitable they give Photostat of any topic. Now tell teacher can write it down on the board and make every student write it. Definitely it will make sure that everybody writes it. But we are not sure about the distribution of Photostat because may be most of the students will lose it by the time exam comes. But still teacher gives Photostat. What is your point in this now? Doesn't it make work simple and lucid and also saves lot time and hard work.

    Life is single, live it full.

  • #246507
    Dear members participants,

    If a member says that modern technology is disadvantageous because of cost and unaffordability in a school, I can accept that. If a person argues that modern technology is only a show off and to attract more fees by inflating and exaggerating , then I disagree and may have to take it as dogmatic view bereft of any practicality.

    Education does not confine to lower classes where more teaching is done by writing and drawing on blackboard with chalk piece. Education extends to any advanced level. Similarly black boards are not the only traditional teaching method. Even before blackboards and chalk teaching and learning were there. For them blackboards and chalk were 'modern' relative to the then existing methods. Did not those people accept blackboards as it was modern then?

    My learning process started by writing on rice spread on a plate. My grandmother used to hold my hand and direct my fingers to write alphabets on the rice. That was quite smooth for the little fingers. Then the process was done on sand. We children used to enjoy wiring on slightly wet sand on beach and riverbeds.

    Then once we were admitted to first standard there was black slate and slate pencil. To erase the writing on slate, we used a particular small plant with lot of water in its stem.

    Teachers used to write on blackboards with white chalk piece. The rooms used to be so ill lit that only a few students can see properly. The blackboard were not painted well and at some places the chalk will stick more, and other places it will not mark. Hence there used to be many errors when copying. In rainy season it was very difficult to read what is written on the blackboard. The white board with big marker pens are more clear than the traditional black boards.The visibility is more even for backbenches.

    I am not sure why we should only limit to black boards and white boards to talk about technology in education?

    'Modern' comes and gets accepted over 'tradition' due to convenience, easy availability, enhanced user result and repair or replacement.
    We accepted books and pencil in place of black slate and slate pencil. Then why can't white board be accepted over black boards?

    Why can't a slide and projector used for better explanation?

    Suppose teacher has to teach the same subject in different classes / divisions. He would have prepared a note for that. In the first he may write it on the black board for students to copy. By taking lot of time it is done. In the other class also the same ritual is to be repeated. If there is a slide, then he can prepare the note in slide and project it on white board for the first class. The same can be repeated for the other classes. Time is saved, uniformity is there.Even if students need it again, it is available. Simple technological aids also helps in voiding waste of time.There is no monotony of repetition, and teachers can teach more in the given time.

    Henec I want to emphsise two points here:

    One:If some one feels that black board is the only traditional aid, then no, balckboard was also a modern aid for those methods existing before that. When black board was accepted by those traditional users why can't present people accept present day modern aids?

    Two: Modern aids arise for matter of convenience of use, saving monotony and fatigue of repetition and enabling uniformity even after many repetitions.

    Obstinacy and dogmatism should not come in way of adopting useful modern aids.

  • #246512
    As one go through the responses posted by our members through this GD we find there were strongly supporting this issue in 3 ways- Many supporting traditional methods take the assistance of modern methods for effective teaching, some strongly bending either towards traditional methods or modern methods.Some times members deviating from the main issue and discussing other things. At this juncture as still some more time is there for this GD, members can go little deep into issues like the feasibility of using modern aids at different levels in education system. For example in your opinion using of modern aids at different levels of education how it works?

    In my opinion modern aids used at different levels won't work in the same way i.e. primary, secondary, +2 level and PG level. At primary level an interaction between teacher and child bring fruitful result. For successful learning at this level child needs teachers encouragement and correction of child's mistakes at every point. Some members argued modern aids can be best used at this stage. To make teaching attractive modern aids can be used along with traditional methods. But if teaching is carried out through vedio and audio media completely small children will be carried away easily without understanding any thing.

    At secondary and +2 level Smart classes which use white board also will allow us to use it as black board. In modern schools we find White board will be in the middle of class by the sides of which black boards will be arranged. The vedio lesson, the prepared one may not include the content required by the student. Then the teacher has to interrupt every point he has to add or delete the points mention in the vedio lesson. It is an important draw back to follow this method. It makes students confused in understanding the topic. Similarly maths cannot be taught in this way as student has to understand how he has to write the next step from previous step. Usually at this child age when a vedio lesson is going on, if some textual message is there children cry out to skip out these messages which are important for the lesson. This will indicate children will be more attracted to visuals rather than the lesson. In this way of teaching children's imaginative and thinking skills will be affected. Similarly lessons taught through slides, ppt, projectors etc. make teacher's role passive. This type of teaching may allow to complete the syllabus quickly but not useful for students to understand the concepts at this tender age of the children. Preparation of slides and visuals for the topics is a laborious work. Is it possible to prepare such material for each and every part of the topic possible for the teachers who are engaged with their own periods through out the day? Some may say once they are prepared they can be used for long duration by all teachers? Different teachers may follow different ways of teaching. One of the draw back of this method is the teacher has to adhere strictly to the prepared path rather than teaching to the situation it demands. Thus this method at this level (secondary and +2 level) is not much effective. These methods can be used in a limited way along with traditional methods for effective teaching at this level.

    In my opinion modern methods like projectors, ppt's, slides, white boards etc can be used at PG level to more extent to get desired effects. Students at this stage are well matured and can follow this way of teaching. These methods will help the professors to complete the syllabus easily. At this level it pose no problem as students have to depend mostly on library reference books and information from other various sources.

  • #246575
    @Venkateswaran,
    I give my voice along with you as by seeing your examples and hard work that you have suffered from the beginning of education, you were slowly viewing the new things in getting education, similarly you might be in a thought to get the education to your children with modern ways, I ask every of the parent to think in this way and welcome the new technology in teaching. The entire discussion that is more then 100 responses, for them your response would be made equal for their doubts and queries.

    Regards,
    Prithvi Kocherla.
    "Success is not the end of life, but it is the turning of a new page".

  • #246602
    @Vandana madam,

    What I feel is exactly the same. During the logical progressions in solving the mathematical problems, black boards would serve a better purpose. For example in the same equation, the teacher can add/ delete/ modify an expression or number and make it a new equation towards solving the variables which is very difficult with power point slides/ flash videos (as mentioned by Renin they will take unusually more time) and mechanical as I quoted earlier. For geometry figures also the chalk and board methodology is lively and very easy to comprehend as the teacher starts it as a simple figure and goes on adding the required details or inviting students to add a detail further in the direction of solving the issue.

    @Ramakrishna, you are right as the intervention of technology depends on the level of education in the educational hierarchy.

    @Vekiteshwaran, I agree with your views that we should always welcome the advances and not be orthodox in opposing the changes.

    @All, modern teaching aids sometimes help the students to learn themselves or retrieve the data that is already taught in the class afterwards.

    In the traditional teaching system the interaction between student and teacher is more. The importance of body language is there in that system. Hence students can learn effective body language to communicate in their lives.

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  • #246610
    @Sousil-You got me. I was talking about the physical aspect itself. My stress is on what is making teaching effective and learning easier with an open mind which is always desired in an education system.

  • #246630
    @ vekiteshwaran

    I have my side with you. Not adopting the modern technology because it looks fancy is useless thing to say. As earlier said that we human should adopt the new technologies, so that we are never lag behind. Due to lack of modern teaching method not in the class but also in the laboratory force some bright minds of India to leave the country and opt for a country which is having better infrastructure. But now slowly the time has changed and in India too we are having world class teaching infrastructure which was earlier restricted to prestige colleges.

    Making education more interesting should be the prime objective of all the school. One thing to note down that we can't still implement the modern methods in our villages because money problem and other issues. So the traditional methods will keep playing important role there because we don't have any choice.

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  • #246631
    @Renin,
    I never told that Exams are the only things that are used to teach the students, I only said exams are the things used to check the competence and in the modern method exams are the deciding factors to check the students whether they have good knowledge on the aspect or not, the portions are completed quickly and the remaining time is used for the purpose of test where as in the traditional method the portions cannot be completed which leads to incomplete portions.
    It would be better to try and compete after the completion of portions rather to lag behind without completion of portions which is well known in traditional method.

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    Sudhan A

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  • #246669
    @ Askush and Mr. Venkiteswaran

    Yes friends. You got the point. People in India should come out of their "orthodox" beliefs and as "Darwin" said, "Adapt" to the changes that are happening in and around the society we live in rather than resisting them even without a tryout.

    @ Renin

    You told that by using a "PPT" presentation, the teacher will rush through the topics, but actually, if such a thing happens, it's not the "technologies fault". The problem lies with the teacher. A person who knows the real meaning of the word "Teacher" is the one taking the class, then definitely he wont "rush through the topics", rather would explane them to "each and every bit".

    Regards

  • #246710
    Though I did not enter into discussion on this good old black board and brand new e-tech teaching methods, I really wondered to see the discussion on this aids which are the basement for education.Indeed, this is known as real group discussion. I have nothing to say after everyone has expressed and argued on the right points with zeal and enthusiasm. I stand with the black board as it is ever good with its power and value like a lactogen to the infant baby. As it grows, the better food are like the E-tech methods of teaching.
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  • #246746
    Linu

    There is definitely a space problem in classrooms as against presentation halls, where there might be large space to occupy both the blackboard and the white board. Mr. Sukhdev in his response has stated that the same was the case with him and hence he rightly dropped the idea of whiteboards.

    Also I agree that we can know the pros and cons of something after implementing it; but there are certain aspects that can be foreseen and hence the discussion.

    Also regarding the use of PPT what I meant was that, teacher will take less time to discuss a topic using ppts as everything has been already made, all the teacher can do is to describe what is shown in the ppt. No doubt they can show it stepwise, but still they will just describe the steps. Whereas in blackboard system, when the teacher describes, he/she is drawing the diagram as well as describing and in this case the students get more time to digest what is taught to them and better understand the concepts step by step.

    @ Askush
    Sometimes teacher gives certain topics for photostat, they may even ask the students to read themselves or just leave it without even mentioning that they exist in the syllabus. It is so because the teacher feels that these topics don't require much description and the student themselves can manage it and it is better to concentrate on more important topics. You can easily see that teachers take many periods for certain topics while for some topics they may just mention what it is and all is done.

    Renin

  • #246747
    We have decided to close this GD before the last date as it has been discussed thoroughly & we do not wish to have more repetitive discussion on the same aspects.

    Thank you all for making this one of the best-ever GDs in the history of ISC!!

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  • #246751
    As Nikhil has pointed out, the body language of the teacher is also important for imparting knowledge. A student will learn the best when the teacher will show zeal towards teaching, perform something physical etc. rather than standing in one corner and reciting some definitions.

    @Sudhan

    I can understand what you are saying. You mean to say that the frequent exams will help the student more than mere classes and a session ending test in the end. I admit that there is truth in your words. A student concentrates the most when he is under pressure or scrutiny and exams can tell where the student is standing. What I just mean is that what will the students write in these exams in the first case if they were not taught properly? They have to prepare on their own and generally the same is done by by-hearting the definitions etc. They may write the definition exactly as in the book and get cent percent but that doesn't mean that they have understood the concept. Do you think such a student will ever invent a new thing? He is best for sectors where everything is already written and all he has to do is follow them. Considering the fact that many companies have started to build robots what do you think of the future of such students? They will render jobless.

    Renin

  • #246798
    @ Renin,
    Now a days most of the business schools are adopting the modern techniques where the students are taught with modern technology and with some live examples. The teachers in the B- schools are doing good homework to prepare good slides and make the students the best in the field. If the teacher is good enough to teach any method may be used successfully and when there is an advancement provided to the staff who is well versed in the subject matter, The subjects can be completed faster and students will also have the intent to learn more live examples rather to stick to the books, It all depends on the teacher and her talents and technology is just an additional part which when implemented becomes a plus to the students.
    I don't think that the Robots can operate themselves, even the Robots need the help of Human if they need to operate well and in case of any repair the robots cannot repair themselves, The scope of mankind would not decline with the introduction of machines Only thing is that they need to show their talents in order to get placed in the industry.

    With Regards,
    Sudhan A

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  • #246844
    @ renin

    Now you are yourself saying that teacher should make the study more interesting. A teacher by only physical gesture cannot make the study interesting. What is you are talking is something good for intelligent people who grasp everything fast. But what about the people who are not so good in this. Modern teachings are more useful to the students who are not good in studies and definitely the intelligent students enjoy it also because it gives a high to their imagination power.

    Our education system should like to cover every type of student and not particular segment. So in my opinion we really need modern system to make our student class apart and create a wonderful studying environment.

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